It's hard not to raise an eyebrow when Pelosi is blamed for a lack of a public option, when she got one passed through the House. It died in the Senate.
...what? Do you not understand how numbers work or something?
Wat lol? I didnt say she "single-handedly" ruined everything. Did you need to change what I said to argue against it?
She probably is mentoring someone behind the scenes. She's not going to come out and say it because that dilutes her own power and makes her protege an easy target.
Ted Lieu would be a fantastic follow-up. He can't run for President anyway, might as well go for the next best thing.
Instead of starting negotiations with a progressive health care bill, Obama and Pelosi started with a compromise. It's what they brought to the table: a right-wing plan. They thought that would earn them favor with Republicans. That's hopelessly naive. And now Republicans want to do destroy their own idea because they see the Democrats will always start with the compromise, and that's how things move further to the right.
Cool. They didn't bring that to the table because they wanted to earn favor with the Republicans. They brought it to the table because they needed to get a healthcare bill passed...
It has everything to do with it. You said that she and her agenda are to blame for people not turning up to vote when that same agenda was explicitly what Obama campaigned on an won decisively on in 2008
Yes, but it's important to have a global perspective on America's viciously constrained right-wing politics.
It just gets tiring to hear "oh you think x candidate/y policy is left? Hahaha silly Americans it's ACTUALLY..." etc. Over and over again. We know.
I mean I agree with you in spirit, but especially NOW you have to give them some credit. Their plan actually survived for eight years under Republican control of the legislative branch. It's kind of impressive. And if democrats get back in power in November there's a good chance that this law will be irreversible and then you can work on next steps.
You know. I'm tired of this Bernie bro crap. 90 percent of the women I know went for Bernie so it absolutely isn't a sexism thing, not to mention, most of us showed up for Hillary when it came time. So knock it off.
Which is not how negotiation works. You don't start with what your opponent wants. You start with what you want.
Polling on policies shows that Democratic voters (and even Republican voters on some topics) are far, far more progressive than the party leadership. But the Democrats don't want to follow their voters because they threaten their power. They are more interested in maintaining the party status quo and their position within it than achieving leftward change.
They started with the most liberal option they could and it still failed. They could have started with an even farther left option but it would have been a super flop... your argument is pointless tbh
Yeah I think one single poster above him said something critical and did not even mention Bernie and somehow Bernie bros are a problem. Also it would be news to me if Bernie was not supporting Nancy Pelosi anyways. I've only ever seen him defending her. Like in this quote:
Do you want it to go away? I never understood these kind of posts.
You're not debating in good faith. I posted legit history that you failed to address, strawmanned, and then acted like you accomplished something.
Not only that, but then they'll scream shit like "SUPPORT FEMALE CANDIDATES!" And then endorse the male incumbents those ladies are running against. See Crowley v Ocasio Cortez, and Cuomo V Nixon.
Democrats were fully in control for 2 years out of the last 10. You can blame them for not getting enough done in those 2 years, but you expectations seem out of whack.
...that wasn't Pelosi's fault what are you even talking about
I remember some (not here thankfully) jumped down AOC'd throat because she endorsed a straight white man over a lesbian Native American despite their policies being different.
It's still solution (without quotes). And it survived 8 years of Republican control of legislative branch. You can hate the law, but still realize that it's probably the best that can be done at this time without destroying economy.
