Not exactly. Bond himself has used numerous aliases while undercover. Silva was Rodriguez's undercover alias while in Hong Kong. It wasn't a code name.
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Danny Boyle Quit Bond 25 Because He Refused to Kill 007, According to Reports
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Bond being a timelord (or bonds from Earth 2/3...) still contradicts less than the codename theory.
If you kill bond, you cant make anymore bond films!
This has to be one of the most stupid things ever.
This has to be one of the most stupid things ever.
They wanted to kill him so that in the next film it can be revealed that the person who died was actually a field medic named Ishmael.
Dying doesn't seem to have inconvenienced Lara Croft or Sherlock Holmes.
Craig is a seperate continuity to the other bond films so it doesn't suprise me.
A doctor who style regeneration or bond actually not being dead is dumb as shit. Should just dowhat they did with Casino Royale and say it's an entirely seperate continuity/universe to any other bond
A doctor who style regeneration or bond actually not being dead is dumb as shit. Should just dowhat they did with Casino Royale and say it's an entirely seperate continuity/universe to any other bond
I have zero interest in Bond being killed off.
A) I don't think it fits the pulp tone that even the grittier Craig films had, not the mystique of the character
B) It opens the door for them to do all sorts of fuckery for future Bond movies like code names or whatever.
Can't believe Eon was pushing this shit to the point where they lose Boyle. What the fuck are they doing.
A) I don't think it fits the pulp tone that even the grittier Craig films had, not the mystique of the character
B) It opens the door for them to do all sorts of fuckery for future Bond movies like code names or whatever.
Can't believe Eon was pushing this shit to the point where they lose Boyle. What the fuck are they doing.
Honestly there's been points in the last few movies that I thought "Ok they're going to 'kill' him off here and in the next movie...HE'S BACK! and we're supposed to be shocked."
That's reasonable, few people want this to happen. Terrible reason to lose out on a Boyle bond though.
I rather miss when Bond was just an anthology style series and they didn't really worry too much about continuity.
But didn't Skyfall fuck that up? Or was it just coincidence that was his family name?
Well, brainwashing + MI6 fuckery could explain the things in Skyfall, but it would be dumb as hell.
OR Craig's Bond is the "first" James Bond in the canon, and the following would be named after the first hero in this iteration of the MI6. God knows, I think continuity doesn't make sense in 007 anyways lol
basically its just a bunch of stories.
'hey how about if there was a secret agent 007 called James bond and he looked like Sean Connery?'
'hey how about if there was a secret agent 007 called James bond, but he looked like Roger Moore and went to space?
etc.
They're basically all reboots. Which is fine.
'hey how about if there was a secret agent 007 called James bond and he looked like Sean Connery?'
'hey how about if there was a secret agent 007 called James bond, but he looked like Roger Moore and went to space?
etc.
They're basically all reboots. Which is fine.
This is not 100% true, there are multiple references to OHMSS' ending in films of Moore and Dalton.
Yes, those are little fun references, not basis for the convoluted codename theory that is objectively impossible
I agree, in fact, they contradict the theory. How the hell would Dalton know what happened two Bonds ago if it really was another agent? lol
I really don't see the issue with Bond not having continuity, anthologies can be good too. Mission Impossible was constructed this way too, until MI4 (though same cast but completely unrelated stories).
Is it any smarter than a secret agent using his real name on every mission, at every opportunity? :lol
I was thinking about this the other day after the success of Casino Royale's reboot that they should go with a new Bond, new origin, and new tone after every new actor is cast in the part. Not anything like the whole "007 is a code name passed on to different agents", but just a new Bond in a different continuity. You don't even have to kill him off all the time at the end either like they want here.
They did this twist in Skyfall but didn't follow up on it proper. If Spectre had taken place before Skyfall and it had ended with Bond and Blofeld both dying it would have made sense that Bond would come back in the next movie a little off-peak. But they didn't and it's too late to fix.
Occasionally he uses a pseudonym like St John Smythe/Smith! Totally incognito.
I don't want them to kill Bond. I don't want the James Bond name to be an alias used by multiple agents. If Bond is killed then I think they need to rebrand the franchise as "MI-6" or something and call it a day. (even though there was that MI-5 show but they'll find a way)
We are perfectly fine accepting floating timelines in other forms of fiction so I'm not sure why it's so hard to do it here. Just recast, pick and choose what parts of continuity you want to keep, and keep stories coming. You can evolve a franchise without some twist ending edginess.
We are perfectly fine accepting floating timelines in other forms of fiction so I'm not sure why it's so hard to do it here. Just recast, pick and choose what parts of continuity you want to keep, and keep stories coming. You can evolve a franchise without some twist ending edginess.
I hate the idea of "James Bond" being an alias. Its lame, and completely put to bed with Skyfall.
Just call the franchise "007" from now on and have the rank be inherited, not the name. 007 is pretty damn recognisable in itself.
Edit- I wish Craig's time as Bond went better. I adore Casino Royale and Skyfall, and really enjoyed the first 2/3s of Spectre. Can't remember a thing about Quantum of Solace if I'm honest.
Just call the franchise "007" from now on and have the rank be inherited, not the name. 007 is pretty damn recognisable in itself.
Edit- I wish Craig's time as Bond went better. I adore Casino Royale and Skyfall, and really enjoyed the first 2/3s of Spectre. Can't remember a thing about Quantum of Solace if I'm honest.
As a hardcore fan of Bond I have seen all the movies multiple times but never read any of the books. I have always considered James Bond to be his actual name while 007 was a code name assigned by MI6. If a 00 agent dies or retires then someone else simply becomes the new 00 whatever. I never liked the fan theory of James Bond being a code name as well. I have always accepted that recasts happen due to age or fatigue but the fact they are entertaining the idea of killing Craig's bond is moronic. Just recast like you always have in the past, the average movie goer doesn't need some elaborate explanation why Bond looks different, its something we accept and look past. This franchise is 50+ years old and with some of the better bond movies coming from the Craig era I don't think we need some drastic shake up to the formula, just make quality movies.
James Bond 1, 2, 3
The Amazing James Bond 1, 2
James Bond Homecoming
Give it a rewatch if you're willing. It's my second-favorite Craig and I really like it a lot. Self-loathing Bond in the wake of Casino Royale was some of Craig's best acting, and one of the closest times the movies have gotten close to the book version of Bond.
Bond's portrayal in QOS is well done, I just wasn't a big fan of the overall plot of water stealing and the Jason Bourne shaky cam was awful.
Not that it's ever really been a thing *cough* seanconnery *cough* but it also would make age a non factor from an in universe perspective. Actually, would make more sense to have older actors since I would assume the 007 role is the top of the heap designation
This is silly. His name is James Bond. 007 has been passed around through history but it's the same person in all the films and books.
They ran out of material from Fleming a long time ago so continuity is kind of messed up.
But it's the same person. You don't need some silly retcon to establish a Bond Cinematic Universe.
They ran out of material from Fleming a long time ago so continuity is kind of messed up.
But it's the same person. You don't need some silly retcon to establish a Bond Cinematic Universe.
Couldn't they kill him off and still have a new guy play a guy actually named James Bond ? These movies are not connected and don't need to be. A new actor is a new story and a new bond.
Graig's bond never surfed a giant wave or was in a space station.
Graig's bond never surfed a giant wave or was in a space station.
That's actually a great idea, considering the universe Craig's Bond established with Casino Royale. I wonder why he had beef with it.
Well Craig's Bond was a prequel. He never did anything beyond what was in his films.
He will do those things someday.
That's what they'll do. Nothing to worry about. Not sure why Boyle was so opposed to capping off Craig's run with a death. Could be cool.
Killing Bond would have been a cute way of formalising the end of Craig's continuity and allowing for a clean slate for a new actor without the vague baggage that Bond was carrying across incarnations during the Connery - Brosnan years.
Having it be a code name or having a literal Doctor Who style regeneration within continuity would have been stupid as shit though, if I were Boyle I would have quit over that too.
Having it be a code name or having a literal Doctor Who style regeneration within continuity would have been stupid as shit though, if I were Boyle I would have quit over that too.
Today I learned that codename theory is a thing.
Thing is, the Bond franchise has lived with significant discontinuities and changes in principal actor for nearly sixty years. Other large franchises have had similar changes (Jason Bourne, Batman, Spider Man). It happens to tickle my funny bone to think of the different actors as representing Doctor Who-style regenerations of the same person. It makes a bit more sense than the idea that different individuals maintaining a common code name would have shared memories.
Thing is, the Bond franchise has lived with significant discontinuities and changes in principal actor for nearly sixty years. Other large franchises have had similar changes (Jason Bourne, Batman, Spider Man). It happens to tickle my funny bone to think of the different actors as representing Doctor Who-style regenerations of the same person. It makes a bit more sense than the idea that different individuals maintaining a common code name would have shared memories.
He won't. Craig's Bond is a reboot, and potentially a self-contained five film story.
I mean, if they reboot again afterwards, wouldn't it essentially be killing him off for good?
Seriously!! I'd wader money it would've been the other way around.