It threatens their frail belief that PS4 is always on top .
We should be happy a good game sells well.
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Destructoid: Dead Cells on Switch is outselling the PS4 by 4 to 1
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It threatens their frail belief that PS4 is always on top .
We should be happy a good game sells well.
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Probably because everyone has to listen to Switch owners constantly gloating. Yeah we get it; indies sell on Switch. Everything's the greatest on Switch. And there's going to be a thread about it every time a game does well, for the rest of the generation.
Does any other userbase feel the need to gloat so much?
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That's Nintendo fans in general though. Even since the Gaf days it's always been like that.
Your argument was less choice = more sales. There is less AAA choice on Xbox so why aren't sales bigger of AAA multiplats? Install base? So install base makes a difference between Xbox and PS4 but not Switch and PS4 (where there is a bigger disparity in install base........................).
Indies are selling better on Switch because they are being pushed more on the system and its a system where these kind of games haven't been devalued to the point where people either expecting them for free or massively discounted.
Do you feel offended ?
People are just happy that some indies found success. It was not easy for them because Steam was no longer enough for a large portion of indie publishers.
You should celebrate, it keeps the industry healthy, some of the best games this year have been indie games.
Impressive. Stories like this further cement the validity of the platform and prove that it has been a great addition to the console landscape, providing an avenue for smaller developers and games to thrive. It should be a reason for celebration, instead we get reactions like those in this thread. The constant console warring in these threads is super embarrassing.
Remember the PS2....yeah it was the worst of the three and it sold the best.
The list of console action games that don't hit their target frame rates is probably longer than the list that do. I do hope that Dead Cells will be patched though as that's the main reason I haven't picked it up on Switch yet.
Vita was the previous indie machine. It library was made mostly by indie. But vita didn't have this passionate and big install base. I don't think that labeling the switch an indie machine is a bad thing. I love indies. But for people expecting the ns to have red dead and all third aaa games on it. I think they should see that the ns can handle some. But not all of then
This isn't about an indie game being successful.
It's about an indie game selling better on Switch, hence the thread title. These threads are created to gloat, and reading through it you'll find very little discussion about the game itself. Just dick measuring.
Agreed.
The audiences on different platforms gravitate towards certain types of games.
Xbox punches above its weight in multiplayer shooters and PlayStation is the console for 3rd person action adventures.
Has to listen? Is someone forcing you to enter the threads were people are being happy that indies are selling well on Switch?
yes, I think that is one of the most important factors, for people like us who follow videogame news, this indy titles that were well reviewed are a known thing, but for the majority of the consumers, if they don't get any spotlight on a direct, or another type of advertising, the game will go completely missing.
That's why the "Nindies" are doing so well.
In addition to being less demanding software so it is going to rune equally well on all platforms, better to have it in the one you can take with you to the toilet...
It's partly the portability factor, partly that Nintendo is doing an amazing job marketing and providing visibility for indies.
Sony did this early on in the PS4 lifecycle when they needed to bulk up before major titles dropped, then they stopped it. Nintendo hasn't stopped the promotion and focus, and it's paying off.
Sony did this early on in the PS4 lifecycle when they needed to bulk up before major titles dropped, then they stopped it. Nintendo hasn't stopped the promotion and focus, and it's paying off.
It is the only info that we have tho. If we had numbers, the thread would be about numbers. You mentionned the numerous threads related to indie success stories. A fair shair of them are totally about numbers.
The fact that Dead Cells, a highly critically acclaimed indie, sold 4 times more on Switch than on PS4 is a good thing regardless. It is making the indie market healthier and more viable than before.
PS4 will still get a lot of indie games but their focus is elsewhere, that's not a big deal.
That was never my argument lol.
I just said the buying habits are not the same for switch owners vs PS4\XB.
So it make no sense to compare the install base of switch and PS4\XB for the eg you made.
Along with there being other factors for users buying habits .
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Portabilitiy ist a huge factor. Also these indies aren't worse on Switch from a technical standpoint. You get the full experience without downgrades. It's very similar to the Vita where the indies shined, too.
But the availability of other, bigger games is also a factor. Just look at the crazy release list of PS4 this year and compare that to the Switch.
But the availability of other, bigger games is also a factor. Just look at the crazy release list of PS4 this year and compare that to the Switch.
As a Vita and switch owner I fell the same way with both. Lot of great indie games coming. Lot of bad indies selling well. For me personally the Nintendo Switch is the vita with actual support of they manufacturers But both are indie machines for sure
PS4 has been kinda rubbish these past couple of months, and in particular weeks that are relevant to the game and the thread, so much so that it has even been a point of discussion in NPD with both Mat and Benji agreeing such.
This argument has no relevance to the thread I don't think.
Yes. After a few times that I went into MHW sales threads I was convinced to never do it again (hint: it wasn't because of Nintendo fans). And it was much more than gloating, it was actually poisonous talk.
As to why there are such threads whenever a game does well/better - people kept saying for an eternity (some still do) "3rd party games don't sell on Nintendo systems, 3rd parties shouldn't bother with Nintendo systems". And no, they didn't just mean any specific type of third party game. And it actually affected various developers' perception and willingness to try. So these threads are the reaction/counterpoint to that.
Oh...this post was serious.
lol
Why enter this thread if you cant handle a indie game on Switch outselling the PS4 counterpart ?
Sales-Era is a big part of this forum....people have no issues gloating and celebrating success stories for all kind of shit - but now its an issue ?
Thats quite insecure. Especially considering the 3rdParty support the more established systems already get compared to Switch.
Last year indie games were selling better on Switch than on PS4 too and you could tell that the biggest AAA exclusivities came from Nintendo, at the same time it wasn't considered a strong year for Sony in regards to its software lineup.
It's just these games suit better the Switch than the PS4. I can play them cheaper and sooner on PC but I prefer to wait for a Switch realease. It's just more convinient to play.
Here you both go. Took a while longer than I would've liked, Benji posts a lot more than I realised lol.
Ah yeh sorry you replied to an earlier post but I thought you were the guy who already made the post I was referencing in that earlier post but you are not.........CONFUSION! Apologies
I do think the buying habits have been largely influenced by the PS Plus / sales culture where indie games have been somewhat devalued whereas on Switch people are not yet exposed to this and still happy paying £10-15 for high quality indies
I would imagine it's decades of being crapped on for non-Nintendo games of most types not doing well sales-wise on Nintendo systems. Now, that they are, many fans feel the need to let people know this. It also doesn't help that you constantly have some users downplaying any success the Switch has.
EDIT: Not to say that I think gloating is needed, though. :X
Ah at software releases you mean. Yeah all three systems have been pretty meh when it comes to software releases in the last few months, at least to me.
You do know they were talking about AAA games right ?
That does not take into account DD games , F2P etc etc which make there users buying habits different .
It's also just a blatant lie- basically every successful Sony published game these last years has had multiple threads that were just as 'bad' as anything if this is the barometer.
I guess they don't count because of something and some reason(s) though of course.
I think its has more to do with the fact that the Switch is a newer system and we generally have less data about how some titles are performing on the Switch. Its also a different kind of system compared to PS4/XBO - knowing what games perform well or worse is important information for the stakeholder in the market.
This article doesnt exist so that fans can gloat about it but because the writer got reliable infos from the def about how the game is performing.
Its a somewhat petty way top react to the few sales-date tidbits we get from devs about the performance of indie titles....imagine every Xbox owners would have gotten that salty whenever they see a PS4 version outselling the Xbox counterpart. Thats just the market reality.
Lastly...PS4/Xbox/PC will get support and games regardless of how many titles bomb on their system because they are the status quo...with Nintendo and the Switch its difference, many devs wont move a needle unless its a proven success and they have sales data they can refer to before greenlighting a project or port.
At the end of the day it doesnt really matter where the games are selling well....just that they are selling well. And if is the console of choice for right now, who cares about it as long as it results in those indie devs getting paid.
We can have dozens of thread about the latest AAA games getting x views on youtube x rewards at e3 or being outsold on Amazon...but once you start being happy for indie success stories we are crossing a line and its "gloating".
But that's the distinction is it not? Switch is very competitive for download only games and indie games- where it obviously isn't as competitive is with 'AAA' games, but it's not like these been much of those these past couple of months which is why I posted Benji's comment. A PS4 user buying DC last week could've bought instead what... Shenmue Collection or Yakuza, which the Switch does not have. That's... something I guess, though I wouldn't want to die on that hill arguing for those games as 'competition' myself.
Housemarque devs also found that multi platform was the only solution for them to continue with arcadishy games.
Edit: comment removed after seeing the matter resolved above.
Oh, definitely! I didn't mean to even come close to inferring the article's intent, so I hope I didn't do so. The article was just reporting pertinent info that's really appreciate. I was more speaking in line to fan reaction. I need to wake up more. ha I appreciate the elaborate, in-depth post, cw_sasuke! From someone who gets fascinated by how well the industry is doing as well, it's much appreciated!
Switch is outpacing PS4 and XB1 in launch aligned releases and keeping/exceeding pace with concurrent weekly releases. It already has over 1000 games and indies have to compete with actual Nintendo games too.
He could also bought any number of other DD games on PSN or just play the month free PSN+ games.
Truth is people like to boil these things down to one factor when most of the time is much more than that .
What I mean is this:
Don't you see those meanie Nintendo fans followed him from Gaf.
Exactly why competition isnt just referring to the release calendar. Bigger, higher sales potential games are sucking the air out of the room for smaller titles when it comes to what's able to be promoted and then purchased. I looked at Death's Gambit, Guacamelee 2, and Dead Cells and said good luck finding huge success releasing so close to Spider Man and other notable $60 releases.
Or maybe the gloat thing is your own perception of it for whatever reason. All I see are people happy for an indie developer. Not everything is console wars.
On topic, this is great for the developers!
How did Velocity do on Switch? I remember reading an article where the dev said the fate of a sequel lay in the hands of Nintendo fans.