how can you say that?
have you actually seen the promo video which contains someone "playing" the switch??
I guess not
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Rainway block Nintendo Enthusiast journalist after calling out misleading Switch marketing
- Thread starter Jonneh
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how can you say that?
have you actually seen the promo video which contains someone "playing" the switch??
I guess not
No they do not. They used fan sites and got free press out of this by constantly talking about Switch development and even put Switch in their marketing campaigns though they never had approval ever. They went quiet on Switch after some time and then announced it was no longer in active development.
if it was kickstarted or they suckered people into paying money of some kind, then that's messed up.
otherwise, eh. Misleading, but it's a business. good marketing I guess.
I have. They surely jumped the gun. People make mistakes.
But I certainly do not think any "outrage" is necessary because someone got blocked on Twitter, nor I believe in publicly accusing someone of foul intentions without knowing what went on behind the scenes.
False advertising. They intentionally pushed the Switch release and concept for months, teasing announcements and more. It was all smoke and mirrors.
Ok, so help me understand how this has benefitted them more than Nintendo?
I wouldn't be surprised if a few Switches were sold because of this app. How much money has Rainway made off Switch? Zero?
Dude, when you don't know things, you still manage to find a way to play the contrarian regardless just like you're doing in this topic.
Why not? They were making the app for it. It just didn't get approved by Nintendo. That's Nintendo's fault, not Rainway.
It also seems pretty weird to be pissed about prior marketing...for a free product.
Like, guys, they didn't take anyone's money and ran away.
How is it any different from a indie dev showcasing their game and wanting to put it on Switch, but then Nintendo refuses to let it on the store?
They have unblocked him and it seems this matter will be solved via DM:
https://twitter.com/RainwayApp/status/1037407536016777216
https://twitter.com/RainwayApp/status/1037407536016777216
Contrary to the one who got blocked on Twitter, I am not accusing someone of foul play without knowing the circumstances behind it.
This is a discussion thread. People are going to have differing opinions. No one is "playing contrarian" and this thread isn't about "gang on this company and don't dare to disagree with the alleged consensus." It's about someone being blocked on Twitter.
My opinion is that 1: the accusation doesn't have factual ground to stand on. 2: It's entirely their prerogative to block someone on Twitter that they feel is being disruptive.
It's probably best not to advertise something until you gain some level of approval for it.
Oh well. I don't understand how that at all means anything to anybody.
due to the nature of the product, can't they technically say "well we wanted to get on switch, and were working towards it, and had intentions to, but oh well nintendo said no" (even if nintendo was likely to say no all along.)
At the time of the video, can one prove they never intended to put on Switch??
getting famous off of famous stuff isn't a big deal to me. As long as money wasn't taken.
Do developers need to know about every games journalist out there? I didnt know who that dude was. Also if you come at a dev on twitter and accuse them of lying and coming up with a conspiracy theory, you're going to the block party. Don't really see an issue here.
No, they have always said they were trying to have Nintendo approve it. At no point in time they said it was approved and confirmed.
Biiiiiiiig surprise there!
And I agree, they promoted the thing like it was pretty much complete and soon to be approved by Nintendo.
Sure, they might at some point have believed that with enough interest it would put pressure on Nintendo to approve it. Not that it would happen in a gazillion years but it's nice to believe in stuff.
And I agree, they promoted the thing like it was pretty much complete and soon to be approved by Nintendo.
Sure, they might at some point have believed that with enough interest it would put pressure on Nintendo to approve it. Not that it would happen in a gazillion years but it's nice to believe in stuff.
It never had a chance to release on Switch. The odds were literal 0%. They took advantage of Switch hype to gain attention for their product.
The issues isnt that they used Nintendo for publicity....everyone knew that this was their plan, since the app would never make it to the eShop.
The problem is blocking users/journalist when they get called out for it. Thats just weak.
False marketing is one thing....trying to block users because you got exposed is weird.
The problem is blocking users/journalist when they get called out for it. Thats just weak.
False marketing is one thing....trying to block users because you got exposed is weird.
So it's an app for someone who does not have a job, and has to play video-games non-stop or their heart stops? Not sure how this is supposed to appeal to anyone with, you know, a life.
This 'situation' aside, I don't think you guys know what a journalist really is, and to be 100% honest there are really only like 5-10 actual journalists in gaming.
The dude being blocked was a reporter at best on a nintendo fan site. I am also not arguing semantics here either, there is a clear difference between a journalist, a reporter and editorial/commentary huge gulfs of difference. Someone who posts and reports the 'news' is not the same as a journalist who investigates, sources, researches and writes stories.
Hell that isn't even just pointing out the differences when you just add in writers, but those fall more in to a mash of editorial/commentary/entertainment/some journalism.
What I am trying tk say is; Like I get that maybe Rainway shouldn't block someone for calling out their shit, but don't give this more gravitas than it really is worth. It isn't newsworthy that someone who 'reports' for a fan site gets blocked on twitter.
The dude being blocked was a reporter at best on a nintendo fan site. I am also not arguing semantics here either, there is a clear difference between a journalist, a reporter and editorial/commentary huge gulfs of difference. Someone who posts and reports the 'news' is not the same as a journalist who investigates, sources, researches and writes stories.
Hell that isn't even just pointing out the differences when you just add in writers, but those fall more in to a mash of editorial/commentary/entertainment/some journalism.
What I am trying tk say is; Like I get that maybe Rainway shouldn't block someone for calling out their shit, but don't give this more gravitas than it really is worth. It isn't newsworthy that someone who 'reports' for a fan site gets blocked on twitter.
It's not an accusation though. Let alone a clear accusation. An accusation is where you claim someone did something as a matter of fact. That guy on Twitter is saying that it seems that this has happened in his opinion.
There's a massive difference between
"You have done this thing"
To
"It seems you have done this" which is another way to say "I get the impression you have done this".
Basically he didn't make an accusation.
Thank you, this is my big takeaway.
Tbh there not much to this story. The blocking is unprofessional but that's about it. Projects get shelved all the time for way stupider reasons, and tbh this one isn't stupid. Why develop for a platform that won't approve your product.
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If you didn't know weather Nintendo would approve of the app or not at that point, why in the hell would you make the Switch such a prominent part of your trailer so early on? It's their own fault they're getting accused, and I believe the accusations are justified. It's pretty reasonable to question if they were using the Switch just to gain brand awareness.
Furthermore, when you decide to block someone for making this claim, right after you pretended to give a cordial response, you come off as pretty suspect like you don't want people questioning you. If you had nothing to hide you wouldn't be trying to sweep people under the "rock".
An insinuation isn't all that different from an accusation.
The trailer looks more like a proof of concept, and at the end, it doesn't include the Switch as the platforms it's coming to.
They have been questioned and they responded to the questioning. They've done their due. After that, if they felt the person was being disruptive, it's their prerogative to block him.
Initially i was on the side of the guy being blocked but then i read his "article" that uses passive aggressive italics every couple of sentences and he now strikes me as the kind of person that runs clickbaity speculative articles to generate hits. Never heard of the website before and anyone who peppers an article with "Maybe this happened and what if this is what really happened and perhaps this is why and potentially it could be" etc etc etc is just tedious in the extreme. They don't actually know if it was never planned for Switch or if they did attempt to go for it but were thwarted by Nintendo (in fact it seems likely that might be the case considering how perfect the Switch is for that kind of concept). Frankly I would have also blocked this guy had he started coming for me with patronising attempts to second guess my intentions.
Companies do proof of concept videos all the time. As far as i can tell they never officially announced Switch support so they arent lying about anything. That Microsoft IllumiRoom concept video looked incredible but never even got close to becoming any actual product, still glad they did a video as it was a fascinating concept to watch and to wonder if something like that could become a real product.
Companies do proof of concept videos all the time. As far as i can tell they never officially announced Switch support so they arent lying about anything. That Microsoft IllumiRoom concept video looked incredible but never even got close to becoming any actual product, still glad they did a video as it was a fascinating concept to watch and to wonder if something like that could become a real product.
Hehe yeah you are right. My grumpiness from looming deadlines is showing. I get the appeal of being able to play across devices with friends. I just do not understand the presented life-style of being 100% plugged into gaming.
An insuation and an accusation are totally different.
Although Abriael I do agree that it is Twitter and companies deserve the right to block anyone they want.
Looks like he's the only one unblocked. I'm still blocked, for instance.
I've been living under a rug, can someone please explain to me what sweeping under a rock means?
It seems pretty lame to block people questioning this but it looks like they're now interested in a discussion so we'll see where this goes.
It seems pretty lame to block people questioning this but it looks like they're now interested in a discussion so we'll see where this goes.
They got their names out there. They announced Rainway Switch version back in April of last year and started showing stuff off in June around E3 hype cycles and many began reporting on it. They began getting more and more coverage since their announcement of it coming to Switch than they ever did before when they originally announced the app.
It's just how advertising works, showing the scenarios one may use the app. Doesn't imply that you have to do that all day every day.