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House Of Cards - Teaser: Grave
- Thread starter Theorry
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As much of a motherfucker as he may be, and though his career is dead (for the moment, at least), Spacey was this show and there's no way this final season isn't at best an awkward mess or at worst a complete disaster.
Like, I obviously get why he had to go but he was a hell of an actor.
Like, I obviously get why he had to go but he was a hell of an actor.
Yep. He was the only thing driving this show even during the three shitty seasons. The story was trash, but his acting was top notch throughout.
are we acting like the show hasn't jumped the shark multiple times already? how about doug's storyline from season 2 and 3 or pretending lucas is an actual interesting character worth following in the wake of zoe's death
save yourself the heartache, I feel like the majority of people sticking with it at this point are normies and people with Stockholm syndrome
Yeah, sure, to a certain extent, but that's not comparable to this. This is a whole different level of shark jumping.
They literally ended on him preparing for a new endeavor like none of this was planned.
They ended suggesting he intended to go on a new endeavor, but Claire upended his plans, and a war between the two was implied, which would've made for an interesting direction for the show much earlier on. At this point, it was too little too late, and now with him gone, it's just going to be a mess.
Season 3 is the actual worst season of the show, with Season 4 not too far behind. 1 & 2 are all anyone needs to watch, as they're excellent.
granted I didn't even bring up durant getting pushed down the stairs
Well yeah, I think Seasons 3, 4, and, to a lesser extent, 5 are straight garbage that should be avoided if at all possible. That being said, the final season killing off Frank off-screen and continuing with Claire in the center is just a recipe for disaster. I understand why it's happening, but that doesn't make it any better.
the thing here is that it actually has a good reason to be this way. there are actual circumstances and logical choices that had to be made to get here. those other instances are just because this show is trash and has been trash for a long time. killing frank off screen is the least of this series' problems and if it is a shark jumping moment it's the encore after a jam packed shark jumping clinic.
I commend them for writing Spacey out of the show asap, but the show was already on its ass and this upcoming season is probably just going to be a shitshow.
I understand that there are outside reasons for it, but this is the worst possible way to move forward, in my opinion.
You misspelled Doug. Worst character on a "prestige" drama outside of Daryl Dixon.
it was the only possible way to move forward
what other option was there other than kill him off screen? pretend he's on a long vacation? get a look alike?
Personally, I'd have had Frank arrested off-screen between seasons, and have him work against Claire from behind bars. You'd only see him on rare instances, and always from behind, either when watching the news or being briefed by Doug as to the status of his plans. Doug would spend the final season enacting Frank's plans and agenda against Claire. The reasons for Frank being behind bars are obvious, though you could pepper the season with brief exposition and newspaper headlines explaining what happened in-between seasons.
so it's either someone else doing an impression of his fake ass southern accent or this person doesn't speak at all
yeah, killing him off screen was the only way forward
Frank wouldn't speak, both for the obvious reason and also to symbolize his status in the shifting dynamic. In prison, while his influence remains to an extent, his voice, in general and to the audience, has been removed.
One of the very few extremely well-acted scenes post-season 2.
"Of course, it'd make sense that they'd all haunt me because it's all true. Everything Lucas Goodwin claimed, I killed them both just like he said I did."
goosebumps! 3rd season should've just had his downfall and ended it there.
Claire cannot carry this show.
Maybe if we had been inside her head earlier on, but she's just been in Frank's shadow too long. She's his counterpart first and foremost.
Besides all that, the last two seasons have been quite bad. Should have ended it with Season 4 with 52 episodes (which is probably what the original show runner wanted which is why he left the show then).
Maybe if we had been inside her head earlier on, but she's just been in Frank's shadow too long. She's his counterpart first and foremost.
Besides all that, the last two seasons have been quite bad. Should have ended it with Season 4 with 52 episodes (which is probably what the original show runner wanted which is why he left the show then).
This whole thing has been a massive fuck up. The British version was a tight three series with a solid conclusion. This one had nowhere to go.
All of this.
The story fell apart the moment the stretched out his reign. S1 and S2 were great because they were about his ruthless rise. S3 needed to focus on the beginning of his downfall with it complete by S4. Instead, they waffled around with bullshit. I dropped after S4 and not being able to stomach the opening of S5.
Claire as the lead is the most interesting thing, as she always, or for the most part, flawed motivations. No Frank makes the show almost unwatchable.
Doug is actually the most interesting character in the show and for that reason I enjoyed season three the most. Not sure he'll be as compelling without the 'whip' of Frank to create an incentive for him.
I dropped the show after season 2, but I would love it if after his death, the public and the larger world has an outpouring of love for Underwood and all the characters in the show publicly have to go out and say what a great and fine man POTUS was, all while bitching about him to each other in private.
It makes a lot of sense that her time to lead alone will only last a single season. Claire was largely a failure throughout the series that was bolstered and carried on various ways by Frank. She's not as ruthless as him, not as cunning as him, and lacks the skills and mindset he had. It's logical, to me, that an attempt by her to rule alone would implode quickly.
No you should not. 1 was great, 2 was almost great, 3 was abysmal, 4 was slightly less abysmal, 5 was abysmal.
This should be interesting. On one hand Claire has always been a terrible, forgettable character, but on the other hand fuck Kevin Spacey. I might watch this despite hating everything since season 2 just to see if they can make her an appealing character with Frank gone.
Season 2 ends so perfectly with the double knock on the desk. It was so great the soundbite from it ultimately evolved into the sound of the Netflix logo. IMO that last minute is definitely one of the best endings of anything I've ever watched. If they'd ended the show there it would have been legendary.
the show really should have ended at the end of season 4 at latest when all of frank's shit came to light, but no. i watched like fifteen minutes of the first episode of season 5 and thought it was so terrible i stopped watching. later on i read the plot summary for the season and thought yeah, i don't need to see this. i will probably do the same for season 6.
Spoilers for the original UK show, but very well what might happen now if they choose to follow the source material show & book:
I always felt this was where the show was leading as an ending - with Claire taking over in the final episode - but now obviously they're getting a final season out of it with her in charge. How much of this could be accomplished without Spacey, or with the footage he shot before being removed... that's another question.
In the UK show (and associated novel), Francis' house of cards finally begins to collapse and evidence of his crimes, particularly the murder of Mattie (the Zoe equivalent) begins to come out. His wife arranges him have him assassinated before the news comes out - the logic being that there's no point in disgracing an assassinated Prime Minister and further disgracing the country. So in death he avoids ever paying the true price for his crimes, and her family legacy is secured. In the UK show the wife character isn't in politics, however, and that's the end of the show - but one can now see with where the US show has gone how this can lead into Claire's solo run.
I always felt this was where the show was leading as an ending - with Claire taking over in the final episode - but now obviously they're getting a final season out of it with her in charge. How much of this could be accomplished without Spacey, or with the footage he shot before being removed... that's another question.
