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lyte edge

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Oct 25, 2017
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CPU beat me in a story match. The win quote was "How does that outfit hold those babies in?" LOL, this game is gonna upset some people.
 

skillzilla81

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The only difference between the two will be frame-rate.

Embargo for the game lifts tomorrow morning. So all questions will be answered then.

That's pretty much all that matters in a fighting game.

This looked like ass on switch at EVO. I couldn't see myself buying that version.
 

BadWolf

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Do you know what platform they were playing on the stream? I should be getting it for PS4 tomorrow and am eager to see if it runs better on there.

You're just going to have to play this for yourself to decide, but as someone who has been playing SNK fighters since Fatal Fury 1...this is the first time I've started playing a new SNK fighter and felt so undecided about it. I think the game's themes combined with the radically changed-up playstyle are going to turn a lot of people off to it. That said, it's way too early for me to pass any kind of judgement on this game (apart from the framerate issues on Switch) and I am enjoying the hell out of having Shermie playable again.

Not 100% sure (at work right now) but I think they were on the PS4 version, an NIS rep brought the console/game inside and was there to supervise iirc.

And yeah, it's definitely different there is no doubt about that.

Hellpockets said that they were all weirded out at first but quickly adjusted after a few games. For casuals/new players I'd imagine it would be less weird since they don't have their muscle memory and habits interfering from playing previous SNK games.

It was glorious when both players picked all Shermie teams. 4 Shermeis on screen at the same time...
 

NateDrake

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That's pretty much all that matters in a fighting game.

This looked like ass on switch at EVO. I couldn't see myself buying that version.

Seeing Kukri as this evil-mastermind pervert is so weird, LOL.



That's a pretty big deal when it comes to fighting games. I don't find it unplayable on Switch, but if it is a solid 60 on PS4, it's going to be hard to go back to it.
This isn't really the most intricate fighting game. It's basically an SNK Smash game. I've put in over 12hrs with the game since getting review code last week, and frame-rate would be on the lower end on my list of concern.
 

mute

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What is the difference here between "Story Mode" here and the traditional arcade mode that was a given in every fighting game release until recently?
 

skillzilla81

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This isn't really the most intricate fighting game. It's basically an SNK Smash game. I've put in over 12hrs with the game since getting review code last week, and frame-rate would be on the lower end on my list of concern.

I don't care how intricate it is. A stable 60fps framerate is mandatory for me to consider purchasing a fighting game. I don't get why you even compare it to smash when that runs at 60fps.


Just says we have different priorities. /shrug
 

Futaleufu

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Considering that something like Soul Edge is perfectly playable running at 30 fps or less, I think that framerate on a fighting game is something that should be evaluated case by case.
 

lyte edge

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Oct 25, 2017
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What is the difference here between "Story Mode" here and the traditional arcade mode that was a given in every fighting game release until recently?

I'm playing through it now- It's basically the game's arcade mode, just with cut scenes inbetween each battle. The final boss is Kukri himself (two of him on a team).
 

lyte edge

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No embargo for me, so if you have any questions...ask away!

I know I should wait until tomorrow but are there any PS4 Pro enhancements? Like solid 60fps @1440p.

No Pro enhancements AFAIK. The big thing to check on will be the framerate. People should start getting copies from NISA today or tomorrow, plus the game is already out in Japan, so we should hopefully know soon.
 

mute

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I'm playing through it now- It's basically the game's arcade mode, just with cut scenes inbetween each battle. The final boss is Kukri himself (two of him on a team).
What are the win conditions? Best of 2 rounds? 1 round? Both fighters KO'd? Cut scenes skippable?
 

lyte edge

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Re: The framerate- It's not unplayable on the Switch at all, post-patch, but it just doesn't feel as smooth as it should be. If the framerate is doubled on the PS4, then there is no doubt that it will be the version to get.
 

Evergarden

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No embargo for me, so if you have any questions...ask away!



No Pro enhancements AFAIK. The big thing to check on will be the framerate. People should start getting copies from NISA today or tomorrow, plus the game is already out in Japan, so we should hopefully know soon.

I am looking at Japanese eShop now, my hand is moving on it's own. I should wait until tomorrow.
 

lyte edge

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What are the win conditions? Best of 2 rounds? 1 round? Both fighters KO'd? Cut scenes skippable?

One round matches. I almost hesitate to say this, because it's going to give the wrong impression, but finishers are kind of like how Playstation All-Stars worked, where you have to K.O. the opponent with a super move. However, unlike that game, you get super meter often, can dizzy the opponent to make it easy to finish them, and if the timer runs out, the game chooses a winner based on other factors. So it goes quick.
 

mute

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One round matches. I almost hesitate to say this, because it's going to give the wrong impression, but finishers are kind of like how Playstation All-Stars worked, where you have to K.O. the opponent with a super move. However, unlike that game, you get super meter often, can dizzy the opponent to make it easy to finish them, and if the timer runs out, the game chooses a winner based on other factors. So it goes quick.
If you KO/Super one opponent is the match over or does the other opponent tag in?
 

Evergarden

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The Japanese version runs in English on Switch, but it is its own region game, I.E. any future DLC will need to be purchased off the J-eShop. If that doesn't bother you, no reason not to get it now!

I lived 2 years in Japan so it shouldn't be a problem. There is one more thing I want to ask. How does it run on handheld ? That is the mode I'll play most of the time.
 

DR2K

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They picked a horrible time to release this. One of the worst delays in modern history. Empty summer vs crowded fall.
 

lyte edge

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If you KO/Super one opponent is the match over or does the other opponent tag in?

The match is over when either character is KO'd. Not that you don't just get a super built up and hit the opponent to win the match; you have to get the opponent's lifebar down to a certain point first and then hit them with it. You can't lose from running out of life.
 

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The Japanese version runs in English on Switch, but it is its own region game, I.E. any future DLC will need to be purchased off the J-eShop. If that doesn't bother you, no reason not to get it now!

Didn't know the game was out on the Japanese eshop... downloading now; thanks- :P (i hope it will come physical in europe, i despise being digital only)
 

lyte edge

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Tried it undocked.

Bad news- the framerate takes a nosedive. It seems to be variable and has dips all over the place. Feels like 60 FPS one second then goes down to 30 FPS another second.

Is it still playable? Yes, because of the simple mechanics. Should the game have been released in this state? Nope. No excuse for this when other fighting games on Switch have no issues with framerates.

Disappointed again. Would recommend that anyone interested in purchasing this game hold off and get it on PS4 (assuming it doesn't have these issues).
 

Evergarden

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Tried it undocked.

Bad news- the framerate takes a nosedive. It seems to be variable and has dips all over the place. Feels like 60 FPS once second then goes down to 30 FPS another second.

Is it still playable? Yes, because of the simple mechanics. Should the game have been released in this state? Nope. No excuse for this when other fighting games on Switch have no issues with framerates. Disappointed again.

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mute

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The match is over when either character is KO'd. Not that you don't just get a super built up and hit the opponent to win the match; you have to get the opponent's lifebar down to a certain point first and then hit them with it. You can't lose from running out of life.
I'm not sure I'm into this, sounds like a completely different animal.

And the handheld performance being bad isn't great for someone that mostly plays handheld.
 

lyte edge

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I'm not sure I'm into this, sounds like a completely different animal.

It really is. Does not feel like other SNK games.

And the handheld performance being bad isn't great for someone that mostly plays handheld.

I should have tried this first, sorry guys. Docked is definitely better performance-wise than handheld. It plays undocked like it felt to me docked pre-patch download. I hope they find a way to patch things to improve performance. Maybe lower the resolution or something.

If you want a fighting game that's easy to play on the Switch AND runs great...try Blade Strangers.
 

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I'm not sure I'm into this, sounds like a completely different animal.

And the handheld performance being bad isn't great for someone that mostly plays handheld.

Dammit... indeed... it's disappointing, but that's still portable. I'll see by myself tomorrow (11GB take hours on end to downlowd here)
 
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If the game doesn't work well on handleheld mode then I don't see any reason to pick up this versión over the PS4 one unless you only have a switch
 

Waffle

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Wait it's true that the switch version isn't 60fps? Seems strange that SNK would sacrifice the frame rate in a fighter. I was hoping to get the Switch version but I might wait for PC instead.
 

lyte edge

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Oct 25, 2017
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I'm super, super disappointed in the Switch port now- Still have the American physical copy pre-ordered and am wondering if I should go ahead and cancel it. :\
 
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lyte edge

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Am sure a Steam port is inevitable, but yeah...no PC version at the moment.

Re: online play- have no impressions on this because I couldn't find any matches. Not exactly unexpected when it's still early morning AM in Japan.
 

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So on PS4 which regions get physical edition?

I have the jp PS4 version in in my shopping cart, but it says "pending" for release date, I'm not even sure if that's a scam or a real release?
Lol...


Also which fg is this most comparable with?

I suck at 2D fgs. >.<
 

NateDrake

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I wasn't planning on it, but I'll do a docked vs undocked video for SNK Heroines showing the visual and performance differences.