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Forza 7 vs GT Sport Review by SuperGT (August 2018)
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The other thing I want to add is I really hope they give us all game modes in VR. If they did that I would sign up for PS+ again and get online. That's probably unlikely until PS5, unfortunately.
One of the few racing games out there where you can really feel the weight of the cars and how they interact with the 3D world in realistic way - the cars really feels like in touch with the ground. For instance, just compare the driving in GTA 5/4 with Watch Dogs 2 lol. GT Sport physics are really something else
The rain affects the driving physics, but it doesn't do much for strategy because you can't pit in to change tyres. I like the driving in the rain in Forza 7 and because it's scripted you can select beginning / middle / end race weather conditions and play with it and it's cool. I imagine if GTS finally got rain, it'd be similarly set up. I wish the rain scripting was more random, like you can't do a sunny start that goes cloudy and then rains. It feels like a half finished feature.
Really like Super GT's videos. It's been interesting to watch him turn towards GTS over time. He didn't seem so keen on it initially, but once the ranking system got to work he really started enjoying it.
IMO racing is one of those genres where single player against AI is almost utterly worthless.
Unfortunately most reviewers will undoubtedly keep using the single player campaign as the primary way to rate a game.
IMO racing is one of those genres where single player against AI is almost utterly worthless.
Unfortunately most reviewers will undoubtedly keep using the single player campaign as the primary way to rate a game.
Seems like a really fair comparison. I agree with a lot of it. Own and enjoy and will continue to in the future.
GT Sport for the online, Forza for chilling and drag races.
That tacked on single player GT League on GTS is pathetic, while playing online on Forza I could count on one hand the times I had a decent race without idiots and trolls ruining everything.
So they complement each other to me.
That tacked on single player GT League on GTS is pathetic, while playing online on Forza I could count on one hand the times I had a decent race without idiots and trolls ruining everything.
So they complement each other to me.
Love his videos of players "entering the shadow realm" or "murdered"
It's a shame it feels so odd on a controller, but has an excellent variety of circuits.
Have you got PCARS2?
It's a shame it feels so odd on a controller, but has an excellent variety of circuits.
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GT Sport was designed around online racing real people, and in that respect it is miles ahead of any other console racer I've ever played. I've had some incredibly professional level racing with similarly skilled drivers to me. It's exhilarating. The presentation of the game is just on another level and is what makes me LOVE this series.
The single player is just nonsense that hasn't changed much from past games and the amount of credits you win versus the prices of some of the cars is ridiculous. Besides that GT Sport is phenomenal. Also they have controller support that works just flawlessly, where other games like PCars are so bad I just can't play it.
The single player is just nonsense that hasn't changed much from past games and the amount of credits you win versus the prices of some of the cars is ridiculous. Besides that GT Sport is phenomenal. Also they have controller support that works just flawlessly, where other games like PCars are so bad I just can't play it.
Just added GT League... the video talks more about how more variety SP content GTS has... that is there since launch.
I hope you didn't get disappointed again because except GT League they added more cars and tracks.
The game is the same you played from launch.
Probably what is changing is the view of some gamers from the game that guessed it has bad SP content due a minor vocal group of gamers but know they get the courage to try it... they are seeing the game was really great in both MP and SP.
An absolute flip of common perception. I can't comment on Forza, but Sport has been a great turn around for GT. It has obviously alienated some long time fans with its reboot on single player but online feels like a breath of fresh air for the franchise and a boon for console racers.
I mean this isn't GT vs Forza, this is comparing two games that have changed fairly substantially since both of their respective launches.
I'd love to see a difficulty select for GTLeague so you get penalties etc to help train folk more for sport mode.
GT League, like the old events (stars and stripes etc) beginner tier events up to endurance. New events added each content update.
You really think the SP content was great at launch? I think that's more of the minority view.
I suppose, but I think for me personally I'd be much more interested in revisiting the reviews for each game respectively, instead of pitting them against one another.
I just feel like that muddies the waters and kind of dilutes the conversation of these games evolving over time to be somewhat different from their launch iterations.
It took me over 30 hours to finish all the SP content (in fact I did not finish all of it yet)... I never touched GT League (and I probably won't in the future because there is no incentive doing that).
So yes... it was great.
There's only so much they could do with the main constraints of sport mode. People would be peeved if they had the oldskool caRPG aspects of old GT then go into sport mode hoping to use their tune. It's a shame they didn't have the old licenses/tiers for SP.
Yes, I do, and I honestly deleted it two days ago. It feels so bad with my wheel, that I just can't do it. The track list is awesome, just everything else I found super disappointing. To race on Spa I turn to AC.
More power to you then. :) I got completely bored and discouraged after going through roughly half of the trials.
Jesus, I got 99%* of the golds within what, two or three days not trying too hard? And I suck, far from being a pro. Take the endurances out and I could finish that in one or two days tops. The challenge is almost non-existent compared to old games, and this is not nostalgia talking because I actually did some of the old licenses recently and holy shit they are still hard.
*99 because I suck at Bathurst.
That is why I said I hope you don't get disappointed again because it is basically the same game.
Well I can sum all the times found in the events I finished... that will give you a better ideia without count the amount of time I need to replay them (the ring endurance took me a lot of tries... at least 20 minutes each try).
BTW I found it harder than previous games (I have Platinum in GT5 and GT6).
The most correct post in this thread so far ;) I've been playing FH3 like 10 times more than FM7, no simulator in any way but the most fun racer in a long time and plays beauuutifully on PC! I literally screamed when MS announced that they bought Playground since that should mean that we'll keep getting more AAA arcade racers, which for some reason has become increasingly rare the last few years.
Blame it on millennials losing interest in cars for the downfall of racing games.
Which racing sim, in your opinion, has a more "fun" SP campaign? And can you provide a reason or two why you feel this way?
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Agreed.
Essentially padding. It resembles the old GT games but it's not quite the same. But in terms of content there is now a lot to do.
Losing the interest in cars, how does that happen?? ;P
It's certainly weird, there are some hover craft racers but arcade racers with cars are almost extinct. Realism has it's place, I love Project Cars 2 for example, but a new Ridge Racer by the original team would seriously cause me to black out lol
The old PS1 GTs, they were awesome ;)
I know I'm weird but I miss the grind with slow cars, the slow progression of earning just enough money to tune the car enough to get a slight advantage - how's the track? should I focus on handling, acceleration or just speed? Should I spend the money on tuning parts or a new car? Oh no I need a FWD car but I have no money left gah! Time to grind some more...
It's too easy to get new cars and money in modern racers, within just a few hours the garage is usually full of relatively fast cars. I want the slow progression back. I have no hurry to finish the games, they're usually years apart.
Probably better to hold off on name-calling. This has been a good environment so far.
I would hate if they return to the horrible grinding of past GTs. If anything they should be making cars easier to get in GT Sport since you'll be needing to buy specific cars to be competing at a reasonable level online.
Hah, thanks. I was hoping for some more personal impressions since I'm on my phone for the rest of the day, but I'll of course check this out.
Fair comparison and difficult to disagree with anything there. Forza remains a little bland and soulless for me, even if it excels in many areas. I like the flair, jazzy music in the menus and more creative fictional tracks in the GT series, it just feels a little more 'gamey' in a good way. That said, I prefer the look of Forza 7 on my OLED, even if the asset quality is worse than GT, the native 4K60fps looks absolutely incredible.
Well, I suppose it's time I give it another go. Still a nuisance there's no offline saving - my internet is up and down at the minute, so yeah, I'm one if those people right now haha
You seem so butthurt over this.
You could've just defended GT Sport like you do in every GT Sport related thread by posting something positive about it.
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This video is way too slow on its way to explaining me how unbelievable great GTS is, how good it feels and how quality is more important than quantity. (And no, I didn't really watch it, after 3 minutes it was clear what this video was). [Edit: I now at least browsed through it, but I could have predicted everything I saw]
Did he say how terribly unrealistic GTS's tires are?
I mean got as far as him complaining that Forza's SUVs don't really belong in a racing game but GTS's comfort tires are SO ungrippy, they not only don't belong in a racing game, they don't belong on a car. If you took tires from a 1960s car, aged them 5 years in direct SUV light, they'd still have more grip than the 3 comfort tire compounds in GTS.
A "sports soft" tire should be the grippiest thing one can put on a road legal car and they have about as much grip as what is fitted on a KIA in the real world. Try driving a 250hp car on GTS's sports compound tires with all driving aids turned off it's ridiculously hard, you can't put down any power with any amount of steering still going on when accelerating out of a corner.
Try a Mazda MX-5 with ABS, traction and stability control turned on on the Nordschleife and look when the driving aids are engaged... it's ALL THE TIME. In a car you hardly can get any wheelspin out of when coming full throttle out of a corner from 3rd gear up.
Driving-wise GTS has one thing over Forza and that is the motion controls when you don't have a wheel. But then again Forza has rumble triggers and when you pull a trigger things actually start to slowly happen, in GTS on a DS4 you pull the trigger 20% and nothing's happening yet (sure, Forza's non-ABS braking is very unrealistically easy, but you're braking with a finger on a linear torsion spring trigger, not a 1200€ Heusinkveld set of sim racing pedals).
Did he mention that GTS's AI on the highest difficulty is way, waaay too slow if you turn off the rubber-banding? And with rubberbanding on it's... well, it's not much worse than Mario Kart or Driveclub rubber banding, but this amount of rubber banding, that you can't turn off in the single player (higher SP race classes have it turned off by default, but you never have a choice) is just a no-go.
Don't take me for a Forza lover though, I played through 80% of the campaign there so far and without any carrots to it, I definitely wouldn't play those races. They're all 3-5 laps (depending on how fast the car class is) to get to first place and if you don't overtake like 13 cars in those laps (that just are a cramped shit show on narrower tracks) you have to do 6 more races to progress to the tier of campaign missions. You really need that rewind button in Forza's campaign. In GTS's SP the races are kinda fine, a little boring maybe (except for some extreme instances of rubber banding), but then again you never have any incentive to play the "campaign" missions anyway. The Circuit Experience, Mission challenges and driving school are suuper good in GTS... weren't it for those terrible(!!) tires and bad trigger throttle and brake control. The thing is, Forza has a lot of bad stuff you can complain about, but the driving is mostly pretty fun for me even with all driving aids off with a controller, while the driving in GTS makes me angry. It's totally fine with the driving aids and the great motion controls, but at the back of my head I can't stop thinking how wrong it is that those read TCS/STM/ABS lights are flickering all the time.
Ok, good, I'm looking at my boost pressure right now and it's in the green again... excess pressure successfully vented.
Did he say how terribly unrealistic GTS's tires are?
I mean got as far as him complaining that Forza's SUVs don't really belong in a racing game but GTS's comfort tires are SO ungrippy, they not only don't belong in a racing game, they don't belong on a car. If you took tires from a 1960s car, aged them 5 years in direct SUV light, they'd still have more grip than the 3 comfort tire compounds in GTS.
A "sports soft" tire should be the grippiest thing one can put on a road legal car and they have about as much grip as what is fitted on a KIA in the real world. Try driving a 250hp car on GTS's sports compound tires with all driving aids turned off it's ridiculously hard, you can't put down any power with any amount of steering still going on when accelerating out of a corner.
Try a Mazda MX-5 with ABS, traction and stability control turned on on the Nordschleife and look when the driving aids are engaged... it's ALL THE TIME. In a car you hardly can get any wheelspin out of when coming full throttle out of a corner from 3rd gear up.
Driving-wise GTS has one thing over Forza and that is the motion controls when you don't have a wheel. But then again Forza has rumble triggers and when you pull a trigger things actually start to slowly happen, in GTS on a DS4 you pull the trigger 20% and nothing's happening yet (sure, Forza's non-ABS braking is very unrealistically easy, but you're braking with a finger on a linear torsion spring trigger, not a 1200€ Heusinkveld set of sim racing pedals).
Did he mention that GTS's AI on the highest difficulty is way, waaay too slow if you turn off the rubber-banding? And with rubberbanding on it's... well, it's not much worse than Mario Kart or Driveclub rubber banding, but this amount of rubber banding, that you can't turn off in the single player (higher SP race classes have it turned off by default, but you never have a choice) is just a no-go.
Don't take me for a Forza lover though, I played through 80% of the campaign there so far and without any carrots to it, I definitely wouldn't play those races. They're all 3-5 laps (depending on how fast the car class is) to get to first place and if you don't overtake like 13 cars in those laps (that just are a cramped shit show on narrower tracks) you have to do 6 more races to progress to the tier of campaign missions. You really need that rewind button in Forza's campaign. In GTS's SP the races are kinda fine, a little boring maybe (except for some extreme instances of rubber banding), but then again you never have any incentive to play the "campaign" missions anyway. The Circuit Experience, Mission challenges and driving school are suuper good in GTS... weren't it for those terrible(!!) tires and bad trigger throttle and brake control. The thing is, Forza has a lot of bad stuff you can complain about, but the driving is mostly pretty fun for me even with all driving aids off with a controller, while the driving in GTS makes me angry. It's totally fine with the driving aids and the great motion controls, but at the back of my head I can't stop thinking how wrong it is that those read TCS/STM/ABS lights are flickering all the time.
Ok, good, I'm looking at my boost pressure right now and it's in the green again... excess pressure successfully vented.
Yup, Seahawks64 is one of those guys jealous of Playstation game's success. Makes me ashamed to be a Seahawks fan.