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Easy Allies |OT| The New Era
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Yeah, brigading is a real thing (especially at a site like youtube), and to judge by the generally positive tenor of the youtube comments on most EZA videos, I'd agree that's what's happening when things get toxic.
Keep doing you Ian
Thanks! I don't actively use Twitch but I created a free account since I do use Amazon Prime.
Will keep that in mind. I need to read up about when I have to reset since I started mid-month. I definitely want to watch the Retros and Game Sleuth. The barrier to entry for Tabletop Escapades is so high. I've checked out a bit of Fiasconauts, but I often lack time to watch it all. It's really cool to get this type of improv and roleplay content though! It's something unique. Right now I am just going through the Plays channel on Youtube. I had only ever watched the main channel before.
Thanks. I will take a look.
I think Plants vs. Zombies: Garden Warfare 2 ruined Huber. Everything is now judged not worthy
Thanks! For some reasons, i was dead sure VC1-3 were set in 'WWI' while 4 is during 'WWII'. Whatever, as you say it will be good to have a complete picture of the war.
Oh great info.
I only played the first one on PS3/PS4 so reading this gives way more context to the whole story. Thanks Damiani (and welcome to the thread! )
i love ian but he does himself no favours when he talks about this sort of stuff. its really weird. he strikes me as this super creativity, super intelligent, open minded, artsy dude. he has a podcast where he goes in depth on deconstructing the meaning behind movies. he's someone i admire deeply. but then whenever i've heard him talk about anything political its like his brain shuts down as he tries to say something profound and he's unable to articulate any decent arguments beyond very basic hottakes interspersed with a thousand 'likes' and 'yaknows'.
but anyways, like whatever. i'm on kyle's side. no good comes from, like, talking about it on their podcast, yaknow? like. honestly. i'd be happy for them to leave it to be discussed by, like, people who are better at discussing that sort of stuff. but hey. thats just me. ~throws hands up~
but anyways, like whatever. i'm on kyle's side. no good comes from, like, talking about it on their podcast, yaknow? like. honestly. i'd be happy for them to leave it to be discussed by, like, people who are better at discussing that sort of stuff. but hey. thats just me. ~throws hands up~
Disagree strongly with this. It's impossible to avoid politics completely because life is inherently political, and ignoring issues and refusing to take a stand just allows toxicity to fester. Like, there's a reason why Kinda Funny used to attract a bunch of alt-right types (it's because Colin was a jackass and the Kinda Funny crew refused to push back against him, letting these alt-right types know that their beliefs were permissible). We all know how that turned out.
And for all that the Allies talk about Love and Respect, there are still problematic individuals who can't take a hint and who participate in the EZA community. Like, for a while, a self-proclaimed gamergator was a mod in their official forums. He was later removed, but that just shows that never taking a stand isn't an option.
Regarding Ian, I've never had a problem with him during these conversations. The "likes" and "yaknows" are just him choosing his words deliberately, and his points generally boil down to "be considerate and treat people with respect" and "don't be a jerk". In most cases, I think those points are all that needs to be said.
Welcome to the thread HylianScribe !
I don't really get this comment since Brandon went way more in depth into the topic than Ian did. In fact Ian was there when Kyle first said they weren't going to discuss the NeoGAF situation and supported Kyle's decision to not discuss it (he said something along the lines of "What would we achieve?"). All Ian did last episode was assure victims that they were on their side, even if they don't discuss these things on the podcast.
I don't really get this comment since Brandon went way more in depth into the topic than Ian did. In fact Ian was there when Kyle first said they weren't going to discuss the NeoGAF situation and supported Kyle's decision to not discuss it (he said something along the lines of "What would we achieve?"). All Ian did last episode was assure victims that they were on their side, even if they don't discuss these things on the podcast.
And Ian was ostensibly self-conscious about that, hence his "we're 4 white guys" comment: what can they possibly say more than "be supportive"? It's not that he can't be eloquent or go in-depth, just that he doesn't feel like it's their place to be more than just spreading positivity and support. That's my take on theirs anyway.
yeah that shounds ...rough. would be ideal if they could get the studio in a position convenient for everyone
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I imagine Ian felt that might have been necessary after some fans suspected that the Allies could possibly be Nazis due to them not immediately reprimanding the behaviour of other Nazis/racists that one time.
Ehh, I feel like this is overly inflammatory. No one thought the Allies were Nazis. There was a traumatic national event and one of the Allies said something that could be construed as "both-sides"ing the issue, when one of the sides were white nationalists (no one needs to listen to them) who had murdered a protestor. I felt like a lot of the people who I did see speak up were people that are traditionally marginalized in the gaming community (women, LGBT, POC), people who would feel especially unsafe after what happened in Charlottesville. The Allies rightly clarified, and everyone moved on.
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"its a huge, heavy issue that like - also, like, we're like, four white, yaknow... men... more or less... and its like, yeh. its like. we're easy allies. ahh, ya know. male presenting individuals. more or less... and like. ya know. whats, what are we gonna say? besides we support, we support victims."
i'm not even fucking around. thats some miss teen america shit right there.
He's been getting this sort of stuff since GT, the like:dislike ratios on ManUps where ridiculous.
I dunno, I always got the feeling everyone at EZA is pretty much on the same page politically (based on not much evidence, it must be said), but Ian is the only one who ever really speaks about anything politically. I suppose if it was anyone else, they'd be getting flack constantly.
I used to post in the thread at GAF from time-to-time, but this is my first time posting here so hello again!
After finishing Until Dawn for the first time I thought I'd go back and watch their old GT let's play after reading that people enjoyed it. I've only watched the first part so far but this broke me:
Blood: The game's telling you an important lesson here. You don't always have to do something.
*Kyle hits bird with snowball without hesitation*
After finishing Until Dawn for the first time I thought I'd go back and watch their old GT let's play after reading that people enjoyed it. I've only watched the first part so far but this broke me:
Blood: The game's telling you an important lesson here. You don't always have to do something.
*Kyle hits bird with snowball without hesitation*
You do realise he's trying to be extremely cautious because he knows every word he says will be picked apart in the same fashion you are now using? Sure it's not the smoothest delivery out there, but if that's what you take away from it maybe the delivery isn't as much of an issue as is your willingness to understand? Ian knows he can't win.
i'd argue that stumbling your way through a statement like that is the opposite of 'extremely cautious'.
But that's not the argument. You're telling me "pfft, this is not eloquent" and I'm telling you sure, it's hard to be eloquent when trying to fit in one sentence a statement that is both evocative of his personal point of view and the Allies' while being painfully aware whatever he says he is going to open himself up to a barrage of trolls. You're only picking up on the lack of a smooth delivery because you're not focusing on what he did deliver for some reason, and that is weird.
Second guessing your every word because you're walking on eggs is cautious. It's not pretty, but how is it not cautious.
I tend to only listen to Frame Trap (perfer the less formal format) and it's always a little bit extra special when Ian or Brandon are on.
I just wish Ian didn't feel he has to second guess himself all the time.
I just wish Ian didn't feel he has to second guess himself all the time.
because if youre worried about being misinterpreted you could prepare your thoughts better than to 'like' and 'yaknow' your way through such a hot button topic... or not.
i love ian and if he doesnt want to represent his political views in a clearer manner thats fine. but i feel like he could if he wanted to. and in the context of him receiving so much hate, i wish he would... or not.
maybe just stick to videogames?
Brandon quite often gets political too.
Fuck youtube comments is, I guess, the consensus here.
Ian: Just keep doing you. These assholes are a vocal minority
The other allies were interjecting through some of that. Ian wasn't randomly pausing for no reason. As for Ian's careful phrasing with the male presenting part, I think that was referring to gender expression and identity, which is something that Ian has avoided talking about explicitly before for obvious reasons. As Maiar said, the point was clear, even if there were some pauses or thinking phrases/sounds sprinkled in between. I don't really get why you're saying you're siding with Kyle when they're all on the same side and are making the same point. I know Ian isn't afraid to get political, but the people in the comments insinuating that Ian in particular was pushing politics are just going after an easy target. Like I said earlier, Ian wasn't even the person who discussed the topic in depth the most during that episode.
Sure, Ian could come to the podcast where Kyle didn't want to talk about it prepared with a statement about the subject they weren't going to talk about.
Sarcasm aside, despite the clear struggle of the sentence, most people understood what Ian was saying 100% loud and clear. They're a bunch of white people who identify mostly as male, fairly free from such daily concerns, as such their opinion on the subject isn't what matters most in the end beside the one that is actually important : they support victims. There, done, it's all there in between the "shit, I'm going to get roasted for that" sprinkled in between.
I don't know, to me despite the poor delivery, Ian did exactly what their audience (or part of it) keeps asking: don't shy away from these subjects. If you don't like convoluted delivery of positive messages, that's too bad, but it's part of recording a podcast and you'll get the same effect when Damiani loses his words, Kyle cuts off Blood's or Brandon's thoughts, or when Huber loses the ability to express how much shotguns are essential to life (it never happened). If you're peeved because you think Ian's actual message deserved greater delivery, I hear you. If you're peeved because Ian isn't 100% on top of his rhetorical eloquence game, I'm less inclined. The "like" and "yaknows" don't invalidate his point.
I was out of town and just caught up on the podcast and looked at the comments. Fucking YEESH. People are so toxic and obsessive man. The Allies comments were so brief and seemingly innocuous but you'd think the entire podcast was about what happened at IGN the way people are freaking out.
Ian didn't have a statement prepared and that's fine. Sure he had a lot of "likes" and "ya knows" but it's not some hot take, it's actually a very good, straightforward observation about sexual harassment.
They are a group of white males and the biggest thing they can do is express support for the victims.
Also, disable YT comments. I wish the Allies could do it but atleast we can all save our sanity.
They are a group of white males and the biggest thing they can do is express support for the victims.
Also, disable YT comments. I wish the Allies could do it but atleast we can all save our sanity.
I only played the first two hours or so earlier this year and it has one of the best introductions I've ever seen in a game. Let's you do a lot of cool stuff, establishes the humor, has some puzzles, huge enemies, it's very to the point.
i mentioned it in my very first post. maybe it wasnt that clear because of all the likes and yaknows?
I could tell from the get go what you were getting at, but with the other posters responding to you I waited till you made it abundantly clear for everyone before responding.
Your views are exactly the kind that I see as a detriment to the allies.
It's the kind of sentiment similar to those that would say women in gaming wouldn't get harassed so much if they just quieted down and just played games like everyone else.
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Hey they made it up to the max 9 sponsors. And Frametrap sponsors are at an all time high.
Good stuff
Good stuff
Yes, it's provided by Patreon though. Everyone gets a personal link so it knows what audio you're entitled to and pushes it that way. You should see it on the EZA Overview page when logged in if you're qualified for any.
Ah that was what I was getting at. I was hoping for a link I could drop into a different podcast app rather than having to access patreon and it would download it each time through the podcast app.
Thanks
Just wanna back up the on the Ian love. I don't like every EzU episode(that said I do think some of the EzU episodes are among the best produced stuff on Easy Allies) nor do I seem to agree with a lot of feelings on games Ian has but it's always interesting to hear his perspective + I legit admire how he manages to challenges himself to put out something every week.
Man Rick Hoege is such a great addition to the easy allies podcast. I'm glad they get him to chime in every now and then on stuff.
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Very much so. Brings in an informational and interesting aspect of some of the topics.
Let's be real, the only reason Ian is getting flack and not the others is because he was the one talking about "white males" and "male presenting". I notice that all the other allies, even though I'm sure they align with Ian politically, carefully avoid this kind of language. I guess they know it makes people insecure and defensive.
Same thing happened with IGN's review of COD WWII. The reviewer was heavily criticized because she used the term "white males" and "genders". It's crazy how that kind of stuff make people insecure. And that review was great.
Same thing happened with IGN's review of COD WWII. The reviewer was heavily criticized because she used the term "white males" and "genders". It's crazy how that kind of stuff make people insecure. And that review was great.
How is believe victims of sexual assault by any means political? It is just the right thing and shouldn't be seen as controversial or a political issue or as a hottake as you say. As a grad student my University requires yearly sexual assault training which I always think is fairly common sense stuff, but I guess it isn't. One of the main points is believe a person when they say they are a victim of sexual harrassment or assault.
If the allies want to talk about these topics let em, plus when you listen to Ian on the podcast it isn't that bad in the context of their conversation with the likes and yknows. Seems you are just attacking his phrasing just because you don't want to hear "political" topics. He says things cautiosly because everytime asshats come out and start writing awful things.
Ian is great and I hope he knows plenty of people think so.
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