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Job Shaming, why do you do it?
- Thread starter mutantmagnet
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The same reason people are nasty in general and bully others: pathetic hope to make themselves feel better by trying to put down others.
As a lawyer, it's sad that lawyers are viewed as tier 1 (to use your terms).
Rightly so.
I have a well paying job and I never job shame anyone. In fact, I never ask anyone what they do for work.
This was a similar story-https://www.usmagazine.com/celebrit...ormer-disney-star-financially-secure-2013269/
Dylan Sprouse from the Suite Life of Zach and Cody (popular Disney Channel show from a few years back) was spotted working at a restaurant while attending college after the show ended. I think it has something to do with someone who was seen as living an exclusive and privileged life working a job that isn't glamorous and that pretty much anybody could get regardless of skill, intelligence, etc. Either way, it's fucked up to make a spectacle out of people just being normal and living their life.
Dylan Sprouse from the Suite Life of Zach and Cody (popular Disney Channel show from a few years back) was spotted working at a restaurant while attending college after the show ended. I think it has something to do with someone who was seen as living an exclusive and privileged life working a job that isn't glamorous and that pretty much anybody could get regardless of skill, intelligence, etc. Either way, it's fucked up to make a spectacle out of people just being normal and living their life.
People feel better looking down on others if they can think of a reason why they might be 'better' than those people. People also very often consider jobs they don't do to be easier than what they themselves do, excluding generally respected 'complex' positions such as doctors, lawyers, and engineers.
I job shame myself most of the time so no, I dont ever think less of someone for trying to make ends meet. I just try to self deprecate as far as I can. The fact is there ARE people better than me, most of them to be honest, aside from the obvious. Sometimes you have to be the one to eat shit to make the world turn.
Job shaming is some shit. With so many career paths, some people like to talk down on others for doing what they gotta do to make ends meat or in general what makes them happy. I just got a new job myself, and as a foreign resident living in Japan its SUPER bad here, and not from Japanese people either, from other foreign residents. Even get some of it on this thread.
Here people like to bash the English teaching folks who are not doing high end university stuff or owning their own unique business, or moved on to -insert amazing career in 4 months after arriving- ect, but at the same time everyone starts somewhere.
Here people like to bash the English teaching folks who are not doing high end university stuff or owning their own unique business, or moved on to -insert amazing career in 4 months after arriving- ect, but at the same time everyone starts somewhere.
Since it is only a two day ban, perhaps you can reflect on your ignorance. People hold low skill and low paying jobs for many reasons, including socioeconomic factors, being subordinated by the majority class, and any number of individual reasons that are largely out of their control which put people into those situations. As for people who hold those high paying and "higher skill" jobs, they were given that opportunity, or in another word, privilege. That privilege could have been given to someone else. So, recognize your privilege.
Where are plumbers on this tier list?
Yeah, it's sad. I'd add sex workers in Tier 6, they are sadly looked down upon by very large sections of society. People suck.
For real~
Probably 4.
Job shaming is terrible, I can tell you from first-hand experience, both the sort of job you do and how much you earn... sometimes I get it from my own family, though in their case, it comes from a place of genuine concern and worry...it still hurts though because it forces me to look at my own failings and squandering of potential.
Where I live, us nurses are tier 3 at the minimum and can get to tier 2 if you're about that overtime.
Yeah I know some nurses and they make some pretty good money. I'm in the Midwest and here at least you can start school for a couple years to become one, and then start close to $30 an hour. Definitely not "tier 4" in my area.
But yeah shaming anyone for their job is bullshit. Though I was obviously poor as shit, my mom raised 3 kids by herself working at gas stations and such. It's tough and it's not something I'd ever look down on.
I make well above minimum wage and frankly I'm lucky as fuck that I not only make a decent amount, but that I also have the luxury of not working very hard at all most days. I worked in fast food and it was way more work for half the pay.
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Anyone who thinks service sector jobs are "low-skilled" probably has no conception of the amount of emotional labor that goes into interacting with belligerent or even merely demanding customers every day--especially since unlike, say, angry medical patients, they have tacit societal permission to treat you like scum. I'm sure this is true everywhere to varying degrees but in places where the idea of service with a smile is deeply ingrained into the work culture it's even worse. Not only can you not yell or get angry--that's pretty standard in most jobs--but expressing any sort of negative emotion or even disinterest is liable to get you told off depending on what your manager is like. That shit is not something you're born knowing how to do well. Even if you're naturally conflict avoidant and reluctant to stand up for yourself, that's actually not helpful, because you have to continue engaging and being proactive in your customer service and/or salesmanship. It's not exactly news that emotional labor is generally discounted, though.
Yeah, not saying my tier structure (which I just pulled out of my ass) is to be taken seriously.
IMO it's 100% bullshit but the reality is that people love to put other people in categories.
They just do.
That said, there is actually a pretty good method to find out how "respectable" a job is:
When a girl tells their parents about a guy she is going to marry, what type of response will she get?
"His name is Jared and he's a Doctor at the hospital!"
vs.
"His name is Jared and he's waiting tables at the Olive Garden!"
Without even knowing the person the person, the parents will be a lot happier about "Doctor Jared".
Don't come back.
I work retail full-time and have done so for 4 years, doesn't mean I'm not studying my fucking ass off and volunteering in legal circles to get my name out there and a law degree completed. How dare you.
Some of the people I work with who have been working here for 20+ years were never given the opportunities that you or I have received, but are smart people who work hard for their pay.
P.S: Also, maybe don't make a good band look shitty by donning their name and image when spouting your nonsense. Just a thought.
I worked in plumbing for a few months, I respect those who do it. Lots of digging holes all day, in the company I worked for. Without plumbing, society would be fucked, so I'm grateful for it.
Don't tell me stories about your life, just bring me my drink and highly customised burger! Do you want this $1 or not?!
People are jerks.
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You know, it's funny, but someone shaming me about my job actually worked.
Not saying it's a good thing. It never is.
I'd been in the same food service job since I was 21. At this point I was probably like 32. It was at a healthcare facility so it was full time with benefits so it was pretty decent as far as food service jobs go. I didn't really have any ambition in life to better myself.
I was kinda coasting through life. My abusive marriage had just broken up. I was working to lose a bunch of weight. Having to start over and sort of play catch-up with folks my age, basically.
One day this nurse I'd been aquatinted with for probably a decade at this point just randomly started telling me I should go back to school and do something with my life. That I was better than "this". On and on. It was a pretty humiliating 5 minutes I'll never forget, made worse by the fact that I had just been sitting there waiting to start work when all of the sudden she felt the need to tell me what a waste I was.
Anyways, it (and just the fact that I was basically having to reboot my life anyways) did make me feel like such a loser that it forced an introspection point for me. I started evaluating my life and what I cared about. I got a food safety certification and getting passionate about what I do and I've gotten a few promotions and now I'm making a comfortable, if stressed, living.
Still, I'll never forget how small that nurse made me feel. Some people aren't career-oriented and just want to do the minimum they need at work to survive so they can enjoy their free time. In a lot of ways I understand that and envy it.
This actor guy didn't deserve to be shamed for being a decent, hard-working person. I guess a lot of folks like to see people humbled, but to me this guy is worthy of admiration for doing what he needs to do.
Not saying it's a good thing. It never is.
I'd been in the same food service job since I was 21. At this point I was probably like 32. It was at a healthcare facility so it was full time with benefits so it was pretty decent as far as food service jobs go. I didn't really have any ambition in life to better myself.
I was kinda coasting through life. My abusive marriage had just broken up. I was working to lose a bunch of weight. Having to start over and sort of play catch-up with folks my age, basically.
One day this nurse I'd been aquatinted with for probably a decade at this point just randomly started telling me I should go back to school and do something with my life. That I was better than "this". On and on. It was a pretty humiliating 5 minutes I'll never forget, made worse by the fact that I had just been sitting there waiting to start work when all of the sudden she felt the need to tell me what a waste I was.
Anyways, it (and just the fact that I was basically having to reboot my life anyways) did make me feel like such a loser that it forced an introspection point for me. I started evaluating my life and what I cared about. I got a food safety certification and getting passionate about what I do and I've gotten a few promotions and now I'm making a comfortable, if stressed, living.
Still, I'll never forget how small that nurse made me feel. Some people aren't career-oriented and just want to do the minimum they need at work to survive so they can enjoy their free time. In a lot of ways I understand that and envy it.
This actor guy didn't deserve to be shamed for being a decent, hard-working person. I guess a lot of folks like to see people humbled, but to me this guy is worthy of admiration for doing what he needs to do.
A lot of people are just bitter, angry and resentful. A bunch of poppy cutters.
Don't worry though, just like his kids Will Smith knows how to deal with this.
Don't worry though, just like his kids Will Smith knows how to deal with this.
The weirdest is when people job shame while working the job they are shaming. I literally think to myself "do you not realize you are talking shit about yourself?" Like, we had just started the new job and you couldnt wait a month before you start trashing the job?
I was raised believing there is no such thing as a shameful job (excluding sex work, which later I also learned to respect) and so instead I tend to admire people who are passionate or who use their jobs to do good things, a lot.
I've been shamed, though, especially by engineers and lawyers (I'm in marketing). I acquired a taste in playfully provoking some lawyers specifically since there is some debate in my country about the majority of lawyers (and doctors - in Portuguese we have the more common word ''médico'' and doctor is more of a title) demanding to be called ''Dr.'' without a doctorate based on a very old law from the Empire (which also implies special treatment), but I don't think it is job shaming level. The doctors/nurses I met were usually very nice people, though.
I confess I have some bias to certain jobs though, like exploitative YouTubers (especially those who capitalize on children) and some religious leaders with shady activities, but I try not to generalize too.
I think it is worse in some places than others, though. It must be a cultural thing too. I often see every sort of person job shaming others, since high ranking corporative directors insinuating blue-collar workers are people ''naturally intellectually inferior'', to clerks and janitors shaming street sweepers, fast food workers, and waiters. Maids/domestic workers often get the worst treatment, their rights aren't even fully covered by the law.
I've been shamed, though, especially by engineers and lawyers (I'm in marketing). I acquired a taste in playfully provoking some lawyers specifically since there is some debate in my country about the majority of lawyers (and doctors - in Portuguese we have the more common word ''médico'' and doctor is more of a title) demanding to be called ''Dr.'' without a doctorate based on a very old law from the Empire (which also implies special treatment), but I don't think it is job shaming level. The doctors/nurses I met were usually very nice people, though.
I confess I have some bias to certain jobs though, like exploitative YouTubers (especially those who capitalize on children) and some religious leaders with shady activities, but I try not to generalize too.
I think it is worse in some places than others, though. It must be a cultural thing too. I often see every sort of person job shaming others, since high ranking corporative directors insinuating blue-collar workers are people ''naturally intellectually inferior'', to clerks and janitors shaming street sweepers, fast food workers, and waiters. Maids/domestic workers often get the worst treatment, their rights aren't even fully covered by the law.
I never got why people shit on fast food workers. They are fucking working and not only that but they are on their feet for most of the day.
People act as if they sit on their asses and collect a check all day. People looking down on them is the reason we so many videos of entitled assholes giving fast food workers shit.
People act as if they sit on their asses and collect a check all day. People looking down on them is the reason we so many videos of entitled assholes giving fast food workers shit.
Lol politicians, athletes, actors and singers are hardly god tier. They make little to no money unless they are on the top of the top. A local politician maybe a mayor of a small city gets to work hard with a tight budget and gets a lot of shit. Athletes will only work until they are 35 in most cases and you really need to be in the top 0,1% if you want to make money. Same with music and acting but they tend to have a much longer career
