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Oct 27, 2017
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https://www.cnn.com/2018/09/04/politics/bob-woodward-book-donald-trump-fear/index.html?adkey=bn

President Donald Trump's closest aides have taken extraordinary measures in the White House to try to stop what they saw as his most dangerous impulses, going so far as to swipe and hide papers from his desk so he wouldn't sign them, according to a new book from legendary journalist Bob Woodward.
Woodward's 448-page book, "Fear: Trump in the White House," provides an unprecedented inside-the-room look through the eyes of the President's inner circle. From the Oval Office to the Situation Room to the White House residence, Woodward uses confidential background interviews to illustrate how some of the President's top advisers view him as a danger to national security and have sought to circumvent the commander in chief.
Many of the feuds and daily clashes have been well documented, but the picture painted by Trump's confidants, senior staff and Cabinet officials reveal that many of them see an even more alarming situation — worse than previously known or understood. Woodward offers a devastating portrait of a dysfunctional Trump White House, detailing how senior aides — both current and former Trump administration officials — grew exasperated with the President and increasingly worried about his erratic behavior, ignorance and penchant for lying.


Chief of staff John Kelly describes Trump as an "idiot" and "unhinged," Woodward reports. Defense Secretary James Mattis describes Trump as having the understanding of "a fifth or sixth grader." And Trump's former personal lawyer John Dowd describes the President as "a fucking liar," telling Trump he would end up in an "orange jump suit" if he testified to special counsel Robert Mueller.
"He's an idiot. It's pointless to try to convince him of anything. He's gone off the rails. We're in crazytown," Kelly is quoted as saying at a staff meeting in his office. "I don't even know why any of us are here. This is the worst job I've ever had."
 

Deleted member 30411

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Great time to be in the publishing business. Seems like there's a new book out every few days at this point.
 

MechaX

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I think the craziest thing that came out from that book is that Trump called Mattis and told him that he wanted to assassinate Assad after the chemical attacks.

And his military ignored this request.
 
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GK86

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Damn, was in the process of making the thread. This is the best part:

In one revelatory anecdote, Woodward describes a scene in the White House residence. Trump's lawyer, convinced the President would perjure himself, put Trump through a test — a practice interview for the one he might have with Mueller. Trump failed, according to Dowd, but the President still insisted he should testify.

Woodward writes that Dowd saw the "full nightmare" of a potential Mueller interview, and felt Trump acted like an "aggrieved Shakespearean king."

But Trump seemed surprised at Dowd's reaction, Woodward writes. "You think I was struggling?" Trump asked.

Then, in an even more remarkable move, Dowd and Trump's current personal attorney Jay Sekulow went to Mueller's office and re-enacted the mock interview. Their goal: to argue that Trump couldn't possibly testify because he was incapable of telling the truth.
 

Border

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Oct 25, 2017
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Are all of these on-the-record quotations, or just secondhand sources that will be denied?

When does Woodward's book come out?
 

Taki

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Former chief economic adviser Gary Cohn saw a draft letter he considered dangerous to national security on the Oval Office desk.
The letter would have withdrawn the US from a critical trade agreement with South Korea. Trump's aides feared the fallout could jeopardize a top-secret national security program: the ability to detect a North Korean missile launch within just seven seconds.
Woodward reports Cohn was "appalled" that Trump might sign the letter. "I stole it off his desk," Cohn told an associate. "I wouldn't let him see it. He's never going to see that document. Got to protect the country."
 

LakeEarth

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Protect at all costs.
 

Powdered Egg

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Oct 27, 2017
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Lmao at these quotes.

And how does military chain of command work? I thought the President was commander in chief, they can just ignore/veto an assassination request?
 

ElectricBlanketFire

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"Mocking Sessions's accent, Trump added, 'This guy is mentally retarded. He's this dumb Southerner. … He couldn't even be a one-person country lawyer down in Alabama.'"
 

calder

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Oct 25, 2017
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*sets calendar reminder for September 11th*

Wow this book is going to be "fun", despite probably not telling us anything people don't already know or assume.

From the Washington Post article about the book:
John Dowd was convinced that President Trump would commit perjury if he talked to special counsel Robert S. Mueller III. So, on Jan. 27, the president's then-personal attorney staged a practice session to try to make his point.

In the White House residence, Dowd peppered Trump with questions about the Russia investigation, provoking stumbles, contradictions and lies until the president eventually lost his cool.

"This thing's a goddamn hoax," Trump erupted at the start of a 30-minute rant that finished with him saying, "I don't really want to testify."

Dowd then explained to Mueller and Quarles why he was trying to keep the president from testifying: "I'm not going to sit there and let him look like an idiot. And you publish that transcript, because everything leaks in Washington, and the guys overseas are going to say, 'I told you he was an idiot. I told you he was a goddamn dumbbell. What are we dealing with this idiot for?' "

"John, I understand," Mueller replied, according to Woodward.

Later that month, Dowd told Trump: "Don't testify. It's either that or an orange jumpsuit."

But Trump, concerned about the optics of a president refusing to testify and convinced that he could handle Mueller's questions, had by then decided otherwise.

"I'll be a real good witness," Trump told Dowd, according to Woodward.

"You are not a good witness," Dowd replied. "Mr. President, I'm afraid I just can't help you."

The next morning, Dowd resigned.
 

PeskyToaster

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Oct 27, 2017
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they let Bob Woodward just wander around the White House. Is there a worse person this admin would want just hanging around?
 

Jeronimo

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Nov 16, 2017
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I mean, why are they tipping him off now? Wait until he's no longer a threat to do crazy shit with his power.
 

Border

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Oct 25, 2017
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Any details on the audiobook version?

I hope they get the guy that narrated Fire and Fury.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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User warned: inflammatory generalizations
Southerners are too southern to realize Trump is making fun of all of them.
 

Luchashaq

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I mean, why are they tipping him off now? Wait until he's no longer a threat to do crazy shit with his power.

Everyone who has future career aspirations wants to make it clear that no THEY were the adult in the room and why Trump didn't nuke the world/do stupid thing X.

Not everyone is Stephen Miller with no aspirations beyond yay neo nazis!
 

Border

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Oct 25, 2017
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I think it's great news that the Army has no qualms about disobeying direct orders from the president.
 

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After Syrian leader Bashar al-Assad launched a chemical attack on civilians in April 2017, Trump called Mattis and said he wanted to assassinate the dictator. "Let's fucking kill him! Let's go in. Let's kill the fucking lot of them," Trump said, according to Woodward.]
 

Luchashaq

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I think it's great news that the Army has no qualms about disobeying direct orders from the president.

I'm not sure if you're being sarcastic or not but noone really wants to be the moronic yes man that kicks off WW3/a nuclear war over what some demented cheeto is trying to order.
 

mael

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Nov 3, 2017
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So the good news is that we will probably avoid a nuke launch with how the military react to Trump.
 

Maxim726x

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Oct 27, 2017
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Just as bad as we all thought.

Kelly stayed on because he didn't want this orange cumstain ruining the country even more. He's definitely going to get fired now... Holy shit at those quotes.
 

Border

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Oct 25, 2017
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I'm not sure if you're being sarcastic or not but noone really wants to be the moronic yes man that kicks off WW3/a nuclear war over what some demented cheeto is trying to order.
Not sarcastic. I am glad that the people in charge of our military have the sense to recognize bad decisions and ignore chain of command.
 

Stick

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Oct 30, 2017
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Bro if this stuff is real, like I don't even know what to say... it's out of this world. This guy is the mother fucking president!!! I still can't believe it, and I won't put it past Trump to react maniacal to this book once he sees them talk about it on Fox News cuz we all know he ain't gonna read it.