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Cross-play positives and negatives?
- Thread starter jelly
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probably better for the community and the platforms with lower online activity, detrimental to the one making the most money. I myself dont give a toss about most multiplayer games, let alone care for which platform my team mates are on.
It is a problem if you and your friends all own different devices and want to play together.
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Never thought of the hacker angle, possible issue there, still boggles my mind how they actually get away with it and are not instantly banned by the network, can Microsoft and Sony not tell the console is running unauthorised software without someone complaining or showing a recording ?
Oh man where do I start, I'm a huge advocate of Cross Play as it's lead to some amazing experiences for me and my family.
Positives
- Allows everyone to play together, no matter the platform (Of course, but it's simple but huge)
- Brings together friends and communities of players
- Brings together school friends to be social when they have not been able to
- Allows using different devices
- Not likely to own more than one of each device but a home and family can play across all their devcies
- Creates a bigger pool of gamers to play with
- Decreased game times
- Keeps games alive for longer
- Wider Skill Based Search Pool
Neutral
- Additional work needs to be done to implement, devs have stated this in minimum with engine, server and middleware support.
Negative
- Input Device Skill Differences need to be accounted for (Handled perfectly in Fortnite)
- Can't rely on system profile/online services and tools for all members.
- Separate friends lists to manage in some cases
I would LOVE to see Cross Play be standard, it's lead to many fantastic experiences from Minecraft, Roblox, Rocket League and Fortnite, kids are growing up with this being the norm on the games they care about.
In the future I would hope for a Movies Everywhere approach for games (if the film industry can do it why not the games industry?) buy once, own that game on every platform you have access to and have a group of people you can play with and against everywhere.
I would love to see the online services also develop a 'meta' open framework where they can all connect to each other to help bring your friends with you.
Positives
- Allows everyone to play together, no matter the platform (Of course, but it's simple but huge)
- Brings together friends and communities of players
- Brings together school friends to be social when they have not been able to
- Allows using different devices
- Not likely to own more than one of each device but a home and family can play across all their devcies
- Creates a bigger pool of gamers to play with
- Decreased game times
- Keeps games alive for longer
- Wider Skill Based Search Pool
Neutral
- Additional work needs to be done to implement, devs have stated this in minimum with engine, server and middleware support.
Negative
- Input Device Skill Differences need to be accounted for (Handled perfectly in Fortnite)
- Can't rely on system profile/online services and tools for all members.
- Separate friends lists to manage in some cases
I would LOVE to see Cross Play be standard, it's lead to many fantastic experiences from Minecraft, Roblox, Rocket League and Fortnite, kids are growing up with this being the norm on the games they care about.
In the future I would hope for a Movies Everywhere approach for games (if the film industry can do it why not the games industry?) buy once, own that game on every platform you have access to and have a group of people you can play with and against everywhere.
I would love to see the online services also develop a 'meta' open framework where they can all connect to each other to help bring your friends with you.
Don't know what to say to you.
Australia is such an outlier when it comes to games you're pretty much isolated for the most part and when playing with others your ping skyrockets and ruins games.
I feel for you but gaming decisions don't really take into account Australias unique situation sadly and considering how iffy laws are over there in terms of banning video games its a can of worms.
Positive: it'll improve XBox's bottomline and allow its playerbase to tap a much larger player pool
Negative: it'll decrease Sony's bottomline and impact their mindshare as well as nullify their advantage of having a larger pool
Negative: it'll decrease Sony's bottomline and impact their mindshare as well as nullify their advantage of having a larger pool
It only doesn't exist if you live in a world where all of your friends all buy the exact same console. I've been a gamer for over 30 years and that has never happened in any gen.
It's glorious being able to play with my Switch only friend online while I'm on my PC or Xbox. Sure, I have a Switch. But some of my other friends don't and it's nice that we can all stick to our preferred platform and still all play Fortnite together with party chat and everything. Apart from my one PS4 only owning friend of course. He can't play. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
well it can't be easy to build the infrastructure, especially if you don't have a lot of know how already in the company
and if you're surviving on decades old bad code too I guess
and if you're surviving on decades old bad code too I guess
Simplfying it a lot, but I think they basically just trick the system usually, so it just think it's a normal PS/XB.
I think recently people discovered how to get jailbroken PS4s flagged as if they were on a legit firmware.
What a load of nonsense, especially the bolded part. What's the last crossplayish title you've heard of that was either involving copious amount of drugs or molesting anime teenagers, the things that actually get banned in Australia these days. It's irrelevant to this discussion.
Heres an old thread on Next up Heros thoughts
https://www.resetera.com/threads/ne...ng-cross-play-is-actually-not-that-bad.53081/
Positives: games with big player counts get even bigger.
Negatives: The platform leader does worser off as less people feel the need to buy in to their ecosystem. Which does have a negative effect on me, the less money PlayStation makes the less money they invest in single player games.
Negatives: The platform leader does worser off as less people feel the need to buy in to their ecosystem. Which does have a negative effect on me, the less money PlayStation makes the less money they invest in single player games.
Probably a bigger hassle to set up and manage multiple servers for no reason
There are two main negatives...
1) The point that goes against a console playfield is the different variables of gameplay added to the pool that make the online play unfair. You already have different TVs input lag in a closed ecosystem and Crossplay add a serie of unfair variables over it like different performace, controllers, gameplay mods (PC exclusive), etc.
2) PC cheaters. There is a reason why every game with PC pool of players shows top players being cheaters.
Cross-play is a bad ideia for any console platform... if I wanted to play with that wide range of issues I should be a PC player and not a console player... one of the reasons that attracts gamers to consoles are the comfortable playfield.
1) The point that goes against a console playfield is the different variables of gameplay added to the pool that make the online play unfair. You already have different TVs input lag in a closed ecosystem and Crossplay add a serie of unfair variables over it like different performace, controllers, gameplay mods (PC exclusive), etc.
2) PC cheaters. There is a reason why every game with PC pool of players shows top players being cheaters.
Cross-play is a bad ideia for any console platform... if I wanted to play with that wide range of issues I should be a PC player and not a console player... one of the reasons that attracts gamers to consoles are the comfortable playfield.
If all of you are buying consoles/platforms that you personally prefer and prioritizing that over potentially playing with each other then it isn't a "problem".
You WANT to play with each other, its a convenience tool. But it certainly isn't swaying your decisions on what to purchase because none of you are prioritizing it.
Like I said before. This comes across as wanting to have your cake and eat it too.
What the...Sony has got people brainwashed.
Couldnt you also argue that if the platform leader is doing worse they would need to step their game up and make better games so that they aren't reliant on some ridiculous online barrier?
I deactivated cross play on Rocket League as "Master Race" plebs were annoying on chat.
As long as you can turn it off though it isn't a problem.
I also wouldn't want to play Fortnite on Switch against other consoles due to the performance difference.
As long as you can turn it off though it isn't a problem.
I also wouldn't want to play Fortnite on Switch against other consoles due to the performance difference.
I guess a positive in my opinion is that I'd reckon most households with more than one console would be like... different platforms. Like generally if I buy another console I'm going to buy a different platform to get in on the exclusives over there.
I think in this case, crossplay is a positive because I've seen people post about how just in their home they'd be playing on Xbox One, with someone else on Switch, and the other two on mobile/tablets and they were able to play with each other.
I think in this case, crossplay is a positive because I've seen people post about how just in their home they'd be playing on Xbox One, with someone else on Switch, and the other two on mobile/tablets and they were able to play with each other.
I didn't say I wasn't affected by it, I have friends that play on other platforms. I said it's not a problem for me. What I mean by that is I don't see not being able to play with players on another platform as a 'problem'.
I'm not against it, if they allow it, great. If not, whatever.
Cross Play isn't about playing esports its about having fun and spending time playing with friends together.
I think Epic has really set the bar in a thoughtful way with Fortnite.
You can play together, we won't restrict you based on platform/input device but if you choose to we will move you through the servers to 'highest' weighted persons platform/input device.
1. PC / Mouse & Keyboard PS4 Users Server Pool
2. Console / Controller Server Pool
3. Switch Server Pool
4. Mobile / Touch Server Pool
I think Epic has really set the bar in a thoughtful way with Fortnite.
You can play together, we won't restrict you based on platform/input device but if you choose to we will move you through the servers to 'highest' weighted persons platform/input device.
1. PC / Mouse & Keyboard PS4 Users Server Pool
2. Console / Controller Server Pool
3. Switch Server Pool
4. Mobile / Touch Server Pool
Do you really believe that?
How does the PC, Phone Cross Play they currently allow effect that?
Isn't master race warn/bannable term, even if ironic? Anyway, I turned off cross-play in RL for the sam reason, PC players I met were much more toxic. Plus, some can play in 144hz and it is an advantage.
No videogame 'problems' are real problems. They're all conveniences and inconveniences. We're talking about an electronic toy.
Positives: more people can play games with their friends and family, encourages and allows people to put more money into a games ecosystem since they aren't restricted by a platform, the games get a larger community, and so forth.
Negatives: not every dev has the resources to keep parity among different platforms at any given time nor do they have the matchmaking systems for their game to have their own lobbies, parties, and user identifiers for multiple platforms. Which is why I can never see being the norm for all games.
Regardless, nobody should be arguing against it, and those who do only do so because they are corporate apologists.
Options are never bad.
Negatives: not every dev has the resources to keep parity among different platforms at any given time nor do they have the matchmaking systems for their game to have their own lobbies, parties, and user identifiers for multiple platforms. Which is why I can never see being the norm for all games.
Regardless, nobody should be arguing against it, and those who do only do so because they are corporate apologists.
Options are never bad.
If hacking is an issue so far right now, Sony wouldn't have crossplay with PC
With Crossplay it would not matter at all. And it's really hard (= impossible) to know all the friends you might encounter the next 5 to 10 years to make the "right" decision when selecting the console.
The only negative thing of crossplay only affects the market leader or any consoles that has a higher price point than other rival's hardware. Thats all I can think of. Consumers benefit from it with no negatives.
If theres a new casual consumer that wants to buy a console and a game to play with his/her friends they would go for the cheaper hardware option if there is crossplay.
If theres a new casual consumer that wants to buy a console and a game to play with his/her friends they would go for the cheaper hardware option if there is crossplay.
Possibly. Although they would then have the counter that their competitor is charging to play a F2P cross play title that they are offering with no network service charge attached.
Sadly, this isn't the stance that some other people have. In the other threads, you have people actively being against an OPTIONAL cross-play feature. It's just mind boggling, which is probably why the user quoted you like this.
Not really.
The angle of some games possibly needing the boost in playerbase is a legit problem this could solve.
As forking over money for a game that is dead MP wise is much more than mere inconvenience and often times not something you'd find out until after the fact you purchased it.
The cries of someone who didn't care enough about their supposed "friends" to buy the same console as them to then say how much they wish to play with them is just crocodile tears.
More bottom line = more investment in games = benefit for consumer by providing more items to consume.
Personal point of view...
Cross play would be amazing. But it needs to be pushed without the help of certain execs on twitter. Not because that platform doesn't have the reach to be able to push for change within the gaming industry. But because said execs publicly and frequently converse with some of the most toxic users on that site simply because they're the most supportive of their brand...
And because of that the message, although just, gets diluted and begins to look disingenuous. You can't associate with toxicity and then preach harmony because it looks hypocritical and doesn't help build momentum for your cause.
Cross play would be amazing. But it needs to be pushed without the help of certain execs on twitter. Not because that platform doesn't have the reach to be able to push for change within the gaming industry. But because said execs publicly and frequently converse with some of the most toxic users on that site simply because they're the most supportive of their brand...
And because of that the message, although just, gets diluted and begins to look disingenuous. You can't associate with toxicity and then preach harmony because it looks hypocritical and doesn't help build momentum for your cause.
I will tell you about my case. Virtual Fighter 5 online, I used to love that game but the online community dropped after a while. You had to wait several minutes for a match to start, right there you can see an example of where crossplay would greatly improve my experience if the PS3 and 360 user base would have been combined. Do you understand now?
Its actually really easy to know if all the friends you might encounter the next couple of years made the "right" decision.
Make friends with your fellow online peers in whatever online game you're playing.
I personally haven't had any issues finding people to play with in the games I play. I tried it out of curiosity in Rocket League and was quickly reminded why I stopped pc gaming...such a toxic community
PS4 and Xbox are really the only compatible platforms for crossplay imo.
PS4 and Xbox are really the only compatible platforms for crossplay imo.
OP I understand that most games that do allow crossplay don't require for additional sign up. In fact with the exception of Minecraft what other games do?
This is absolute nonsense!
As soon as the X came out it became my primary platform due to performance, most of my group did the same but a few stayed on PS4. It would be awesome for them to be able to join us again.
There are no negatives, as long as cross-play is OPTIONAL. Controller with aim-assist vs mouse+kb isn't fair for certain games/genres, and should not be forced upon anyone. Yet Microsoft is forcing cross-play between PC and console in several games already (Sea of Thieves, Halo Wars 2, Gears 4)
You definitely can have your cake and eat it in this particular case. Companies just don't want you to. And you're clapping and saying "haha that's right take my cake away, company man, i'm more worried about your profits than about eating the cake"
That's not a problem with crossplay, its a problem with how microsoft handled crossplay. By all means complain about microsoft, not the feature
A mistake because you bought a different piece of hardware? lol What sense does that make?
Just let people play together. And in a world of GaS games having your progress tied to a platform makes no sense when those games will last years and outlive the hardware itself.
Positive:
could lead to open standards for parties, chat, friends lists
keep smaller games alive, or give you people to play with if you're on the less popular platform
not controlled by any single company/ecosystem
Negative:
users are siloed within small subset of games
can't carry parties/friends across different games
lose access to platform features that have been developed since previous generation
could lead to open standards for parties, chat, friends lists
keep smaller games alive, or give you people to play with if you're on the less popular platform
not controlled by any single company/ecosystem
Negative:
users are siloed within small subset of games
can't carry parties/friends across different games
lose access to platform features that have been developed since previous generation