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So.... what happened?
- Thread starter DrForester
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Hmmm I just had a thought. Two 'sections':
Gaming/Ectetra
But when you click on what you get two columns not one. One for hangouts and one for general news.
I still don't think its necessary but honestly am not sure how else you merge them.
Gaming/Ectetra
But when you click on what you get two columns not one. One for hangouts and one for general news.
I still don't think its necessary but honestly am not sure how else you merge them.
There probably would have been a dozen more. It was a opening up entertainment for the first time.
I agree, they should have given it more time. Just because OTs were popular at the time doesn't mean they'll always be near the top. But, hey what's done is done.
I mean, this is literally a Video Game forum and the Video Game section is more active than the Off Topic section. So that is kind of all the citation you need right there. The admins' push for this move is also evident of it with the VG hangouts being greater in number and more active than the Etcetera Hangouts.
Just add a world news/ politics section please. It wouldn't be just strictly for politics, but for any kind of world news. Examples: Stuff like a famous person dies, mass shootings, business, medical breakthroughs, etc.... It would make browsing this place so much easier. There is way too much of it in etcetra that gets mixed up with things like "My dog wont stop pooping" and " does anyone not change their underwear daily?". If thats not a sign it needs it's own sub forum, than I don't know what is.
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Apologies if I missed it, it certainly wasn't intentional. The thread was moving really fast and I have 28k airplane speeds so going back pages takes forever.
And if you disagree you're a well to do privileged white person who consumes no media or politics outside this forum because ResetEra is the only website that exists for politics.
Is the ignore thread function still coming? The script really doesn't help if you're on mobile and even after the changes were reverted, I'd still like to see this.
Someone as part of an oppressed group being able to make money way out of the usual ability of their class while also being used unfairly in a game that is stroking political divisions in the country.
See? I can do this shit all day.
My point is there is no such as political/non-political. It's all just life and what is happening in life.
I don't really care either way but there are a bunch of suggestions for site changes in the Version 1.5 thread that really should be acknowledged in some way instead of people just talking to thin air. 3 posts from admins after the OP isn't enough. From that thread:
I'm curious as ta why OTs gotta live forever anyhow? Over on the gaming side, we get LttP threads like weeks/month after a games released and the OTs still goin' strong. I get the hangup on repeat threads but there prolly ougtha be a soft "expiration" date on big threads/repeats aside from when a thread hits the max reply count. idk, I just dun get the purpose of 'em beyond the first month or so of buzz~
Careful, that kind of makes perfect sense talk will get you labeled here.
FTFY
Like I kind of get what they were trying to do but it messed up the OT threads by mixing them with quicker regular threads. Separating sports and hobbies/pop news from politics/culture/lifestyle threads isn't inherently bad. They just should of kept the hangouts. The fact they kept hangouts with Video Games makes them overlooking that requirement for entertainment and EtceEra even more questionable.
The goal isn't to marginalize or alienate anyone. This is a discussion forum. Everyone interested in any given discussion is allowed to participate. There is no discrimination or segregation in any given thread. Some peoples' viewpoints may get them banned, but that's an entirely separate matter. No one here cares what color your skin is or what gender you identify as. They care about what you think about the new Zelda game, or how excited you are for an upcoming movie, or whatever. That is one of the good things about Internet anonymity.
I personally love politics, but I certainly don't come here to discuss them. I think a lot of people are the same way. If you want to discuss politics then great, I am glad that there is a place for you here to do that. But I don't think separating it out into its own forum would hurt it in any way.
It would allow more political issues to stay relevant while also allowing more Entertainment discussion to stay active by nature of having two different front pages (and let's be honest, very few people click past Page 1).
deltaplus
My biggest concern going forward is that I think many don't feel like we have an active avenue to discuss situations and provide criticism or feedback with the staff. I think this situation and thread is a perfect example. The forums came back up and there was a single message saying everything was reverted and then multiple topics were locked when attempting to complain or provide feedback over the situation until this thread popped up and apart of that was the very poor messaging in that post about 'prominent members' which has some people concerned if not outright upset despite the intent clearly not meant to do so but it was an exceptionally poor choice of words and made the situation even worse. Then you have yourself here answering questions in this thread alone when this is clearly something I think all of the staff should be willing to talk about not just you alone.
Part of the problem is a general lack of transparency, something that was a key thing that was promised wouldn't be an issue when these boards were first launched. I don't want to go into a ton of situations but new mods spring up from out of no where, others are demoted out of no where, and then you had that one Feedback thread before which had a member of the staff (I don't even remember who) making one hell of a post that made the entire staff look bad and threatened that the person they were responding to that they would be the reason the thread got locked when the entire point of the thread was feedback. That thread did get locked and has since been either removed or at least moved to a place normal users can't see it. That is a massive lack of transparency, even if it wasn't your intent the removal of that thread looks like you are trying to hide the poor actions of one of the staff members instead of just dealing with it out in the open.
I can understand if the situation was more complicated then that but by shutting down that person, that thread, it looks to us like what you weren't really looking for was feedback, you were wanting praise and when all you generally got was criticism you guys just said 'fuck it' and closed the whole thing down and haven't made a statement about it since as far as I'm aware. How is anyone suppose to trust the staff and their decisions when things like that happen? Why should we be encouraged by whatever changes you guys try and make for this board when we don't see the transparency that you guys yourselves were suggesting the staff would have from the very beginning? I have felt like there should have been big topics like this one before about the previous thread and other things but personally I didn't feel like risking a ban by making one and any others I had seen pop up were immediately locked like the ones that popped up today before you jumped into this thread. I shouldn't have to worry about being banned when I'm trying to provide criticism in a polite manner but here we are and if you don't get why I and many others feel that way the look at the actions being frequently taken and then you might start to see part of the problem.
As for a solution... I think we need a board for feedback and suggestions that has all members of the staff involved in and engaged in. If a topic is about something that staff member covers they should be posting in that topic. No I'm not saying you need to listen to people just yell at you endlessly but if someone is writing a post like mine that I think people would consider well thought out I would expect the staff to be involved in one way or another in responding to it. I also think taking community suggestions on ways to change the board would generally be a better response then just forcing the changes on everyone with only a few days warning. I'm sure a lot of the community has suggestions on various things they'd like to see for these boards going forward but I don't feel and those I've talk to don't feel like we have a way of really telling you guys that. I'm not saying this is a perfect answer but I think if we had a place where everyone could discuss things like this then we could come up with at least a better answer then none at all.
My biggest concern going forward is that I think many don't feel like we have an active avenue to discuss situations and provide criticism or feedback with the staff. I think this situation and thread is a perfect example. The forums came back up and there was a single message saying everything was reverted and then multiple topics were locked when attempting to complain or provide feedback over the situation until this thread popped up and apart of that was the very poor messaging in that post about 'prominent members' which has some people concerned if not outright upset despite the intent clearly not meant to do so but it was an exceptionally poor choice of words and made the situation even worse. Then you have yourself here answering questions in this thread alone when this is clearly something I think all of the staff should be willing to talk about not just you alone.
Part of the problem is a general lack of transparency, something that was a key thing that was promised wouldn't be an issue when these boards were first launched. I don't want to go into a ton of situations but new mods spring up from out of no where, others are demoted out of no where, and then you had that one Feedback thread before which had a member of the staff (I don't even remember who) making one hell of a post that made the entire staff look bad and threatened that the person they were responding to that they would be the reason the thread got locked when the entire point of the thread was feedback. That thread did get locked and has since been either removed or at least moved to a place normal users can't see it. That is a massive lack of transparency, even if it wasn't your intent the removal of that thread looks like you are trying to hide the poor actions of one of the staff members instead of just dealing with it out in the open.
I can understand if the situation was more complicated then that but by shutting down that person, that thread, it looks to us like what you weren't really looking for was feedback, you were wanting praise and when all you generally got was criticism you guys just said 'fuck it' and closed the whole thing down and haven't made a statement about it since as far as I'm aware. How is anyone suppose to trust the staff and their decisions when things like that happen? Why should we be encouraged by whatever changes you guys try and make for this board when we don't see the transparency that you guys yourselves were suggesting the staff would have from the very beginning? I have felt like there should have been big topics like this one before about the previous thread and other things but personally I didn't feel like risking a ban by making one and any others I had seen pop up were immediately locked like the ones that popped up today before you jumped into this thread. I shouldn't have to worry about being banned when I'm trying to provide criticism in a polite manner but here we are and if you don't get why I and many others feel that way the look at the actions being frequently taken and then you might start to see part of the problem.
As for a solution... I think we need a board for feedback and suggestions that has all members of the staff involved in and engaged in. If a topic is about something that staff member covers they should be posting in that topic. No I'm not saying you need to listen to people just yell at you endlessly but if someone is writing a post like mine that I think people would consider well thought out I would expect the staff to be involved in one way or another in responding to it. I also think taking community suggestions on ways to change the board would generally be a better response then just forcing the changes on everyone with only a few days warning. I'm sure a lot of the community has suggestions on various things they'd like to see for these boards going forward but I don't feel and those I've talk to don't feel like we have a way of really telling you guys that. I'm not saying this is a perfect answer but I think if we had a place where everyone could discuss things like this then we could come up with at least a better answer then none at all.
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This is such nonsense. Of course you can make things political. That's the not the fucking point and that's not what we're talking about in terms of politics
Haha woah there buddy. Doing a little too much thinking there.
This post is so disingenuous I don't even know where to start. VG hangouts are greater in number because more games come out than TV shows this forum cares about, and there aren't fourteen new sports leagues being invented every Tuesday..
The thing about "keep politics to a separate forum" is that it's basically unenforcable. You'll have people trying to censor any sort of remotely political statement in non-political subforums, saying "go to the politics section!" and then constant derailing arguments about what is political or not. And also it creates an effect where anything political is essentially thrown into a containment board, tucking it away from sight, letting the "keep your politics away from my games/movies!" crowd dominate the rest of the forum. Which will inevitably change the tone of the whole site. On one hand, this will definitely attract a new audience (like what happened in the old site), on the other hand, it will effectively destroy the "safe space" vibe of this site which is what so many of the current members are here for. So the end result of such a change would effectively be a restart and rebranding for the forum in an attempt to change the overall culture.
I think one of the reason why GAF was popular and why ResetEra basically took over is because the gaming and off topic sides are general enough to cover many topics. A lot of people get exposed to many things just on one page. Other forums with huge variety of separation and sub forums soon died out over time because of lack of activity. I certainly will not make the effort to navigate several nested forums to look for specific topics. I will probably miss many threads that otherwise I would find very interesting. I understand that things tend to also get buried really fast with the current system, but it's better then having a ghost town basically.
Why not just do this?
Everything is one 1 page, eliminates tons of wasted empty space, and keeps everything super organized. Obviously design it to actually fit the theme and not look like my 2 second gaudy thing, but there you go. No more forum segregation or separation since it's all on 1 page and OT's dont get hidden in a non-used subforum. Let users change the default amount of threads shown in each section, so if you want 50 regular threads, you can do that. Also have an option to just hide the hangouts section for people who really have no interest in ever using it.
Everything is one 1 page, eliminates tons of wasted empty space, and keeps everything super organized. Obviously design it to actually fit the theme and not look like my 2 second gaudy thing, but there you go. No more forum segregation or separation since it's all on 1 page and OT's dont get hidden in a non-used subforum. Let users change the default amount of threads shown in each section, so if you want 50 regular threads, you can do that. Also have an option to just hide the hangouts section for people who really have no interest in ever using it.
So I sat through hours of maintenance with nothing to read and then they reversed everything a few hours later?
Yes, unless you bought the Prominent Member package. Then you got to chill in the VIP forum.
The literal reason he was traded was because his previous team's new coach refused (either because they couldn't afford it or because he didn't want to) sign him to a new contract so he could be properly compensated for his work and have long-term job stability. Job security and proper compensation are political topics, ask any union-member
People making generalizations like that should be banned.
Cool your jets. I'm not trying to be "disingenuous" and frankly that word gets tossed around like crazy here.
This is absolutely a Video Game forum first and foremost. That is why Video Games are an entirely separate section from everything else. This site literally migrated from another forum that was structure in the same way, which evolved out of another site called GAMING Age.
You can't really argue that this site isn't centered around an entertainment enthusiast hobby. -That- is disingenuous.
I know right? Its moments like these that cement my belief that there is no God.
This is well written and very reasonable. I understand mods are volunteers, no one should yell at them, and so on. But there has to be a better way to handle situations like this. I was hoping to reply in the original feedback thread and it got hidden before I ever had a chance to read through it, so I didn't even know about the staff threat you mention.
I think having all the OTs together would including all the non OT threads in one place is the best solution and compromise. You know something good is happening to an OT if it keeps going up the top of the list.
Having politics as a separate forum is definitely a big no no. People complaining that there's too much politics either are privileged enough not to worry about it or are being disingenuous.
Having politics as a separate forum is definitely a big no no. People complaining that there's too much politics either are privileged enough not to worry about it or are being disingenuous.
...I'm not understanding why people are upset about this change after it got reverted?
Yeah, I think it was a poorly thought out idea, but they listened and undid it, so no harm done! I'm just happy that staff listened.
Yeah, I think it was a poorly thought out idea, but they listened and undid it, so no harm done! I'm just happy that staff listened.
I am getting some dystopian YA novel vibes. Yet, the puns write themselves.
In the outlands of Merajois is where our lead character is born. She is an introvert with no real friends except her best friend and a perpetual sick sibling. She never aspires for much until a great change occurs and she ends up in Merajois fighting to bring down the Era government. She is torn between her family and the new irresistible man she meets in Merajois. This "Prominent Member" is hard to ignore.
I am seeing hunger games meets fifty shades.
Of course it's the point lol. You just don't like that it's true.
That may not be the goal, but that's exactly what would happen. Just look at what Gaming is now and how they've basically pushed most political discussions away. And look at what people in here who wanted the change are saying, so they could get away from politics. They'd do the same thing in Entertainment. It would push anything that wasn't just about entertainment in some form into a smaller space.
Glad to see it back to how it was.
Only had a very very brief browse of the other style, and yeah...scrolling through mountains of OTs wasn't for me!
Only had a very very brief browse of the other style, and yeah...scrolling through mountains of OTs wasn't for me!
Two board was foundational to the success and development of GAF and the OT side along with the moderation. OT forced everyone to be together and discuss everything under the sun that wasn't videogames. The convergence of topics, users and ideas was integral to the identity and viewpoint of the community and is integral to the continuation of that. Intentional or not splitting politics off into its own separate forum will change the perception and identity of this forum and community allowing user to retreat into their preferred subdivision, something you already see with stark differences between VG and Etc sides when more serious topic and discussions are brought up in gaming. Many people come here because the experience is different from pretty much anywhere else on the net. More division will only serve to diminish that fact and make the site and community more like everywhere else.
Why not just do this?
Everything is one 1 page, eliminates tons of wasted empty space, and keeps everything super organized. Obviously design it to actually fit the theme and not look like my 2 second gaudy thing, but there you go. No more forum segregation or separation since it's all on 1 page and OT's dont get hidden in a non-used subforum. Let users change the default amount of threads shown in each section, so if you want 50 regular threads, you can do that. Also have an option to just hide the hangouts section for people who really have no interest in ever using it.
That's what I keep presenting, just with the superior NightEra theme.
Set it to a default 30/20 split of the threads per page and let users expand the number of either if they so choose.
People are not upset over the change itself anymore, but they are upset over how the whole thing was handled.