Yeah what the hell is that post? The James Gunn firing was done by some prominent alt-right figure because he was talking negatively about Trump. It's absolutely political.
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So.... what happened?
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I don't see where the poster made an implication of that kind.
No shit. A non-American getting choked by US news I can almost sympathize with, but anything else has super suspect motives in my eyes.
We don't know, last we heard he was in ER
I am a non-american and I don't mind the news. Gives some perspective
But jesus fuck guys a single twitter shitpost is not "news"
When I say politics I mean US politics, EU response to Britain in regards to Brexit etc. you know actual politics
seriously, what is so hard to understand about this?
Probably going to regret this post, but fuck it.
I'm one of the "prominent members", or one of the shadow cabal. Not going to name others because the amount of vitriol towards those folks I've seen in this thread and others is quite frankly disgusting. Do note that not everyone with my tag is a "prominent member", so please don't harass them.
In my case, it's odd because I create threads for a niche of a niche, in this case college football discussion on a gaming board. I've been doing so for the past couple years, and it's something I really enjoy doing. However, I had a long standing issue with GAF about the placement of our threads. College football is only an active sport for four months of the year, and so I thought it was reasonable to have us on the main off-topic board for the season while sticking us in the Communities section for the rest. We have a disproportionate amount of mods/admins compared to the size of our community who, when the switch happened, recognized my grievance and thus included me in input for the new site, hence the "advisor" tag when I really had very little to do with the creation of the new site.
Last week, I was PM'd to discuss this change, which was already set in motion. I was in favor for the reasons I just mentioned. To further clarify my reasoning, on both here and GAF we tended to have more discussion when on the main OT board. Americans relate to college sports quite a bit, and so while they might not seek out discussion on them when consigned to a secondary board, they might drop in and post about how their team is doing if the thread was already on a board they visited. Which was awesome! I love talking about college football with as many people as possible while also not being on a team specific board or reddit, which I think is why we have maintained a core community since that niche does exist.
While I don't think the change itself was a disaster, clearly the handling of it was, and I haven't been happy with how other site issues have been handled before y'all jump on me for being a mod puppet.
I dunno, AMA or whatever.
I'm one of the "prominent members", or one of the shadow cabal. Not going to name others because the amount of vitriol towards those folks I've seen in this thread and others is quite frankly disgusting. Do note that not everyone with my tag is a "prominent member", so please don't harass them.
In my case, it's odd because I create threads for a niche of a niche, in this case college football discussion on a gaming board. I've been doing so for the past couple years, and it's something I really enjoy doing. However, I had a long standing issue with GAF about the placement of our threads. College football is only an active sport for four months of the year, and so I thought it was reasonable to have us on the main off-topic board for the season while sticking us in the Communities section for the rest. We have a disproportionate amount of mods/admins compared to the size of our community who, when the switch happened, recognized my grievance and thus included me in input for the new site, hence the "advisor" tag when I really had very little to do with the creation of the new site.
Last week, I was PM'd to discuss this change, which was already set in motion. I was in favor for the reasons I just mentioned. To further clarify my reasoning, on both here and GAF we tended to have more discussion when on the main OT board. Americans relate to college sports quite a bit, and so while they might not seek out discussion on them when consigned to a secondary board, they might drop in and post about how their team is doing if the thread was already on a board they visited. Which was awesome! I love talking about college football with as many people as possible while also not being on a team specific board or reddit, which I think is why we have maintained a core community since that niche does exist.
While I don't think the change itself was a disaster, clearly the handling of it was, and I haven't been happy with how other site issues have been handled before y'all jump on me for being a mod puppet.
I dunno, AMA or whatever.
It does the opposite as well- compare Poliera at any given time to the newest "Dems are now +12 on the general ballot instead of +14" thread. OTs are great because it gives a space for non-reactionary discussions AND things that aren't necessarily new news. Just don't put them on the same page as everything else.
Considering the feedback I saw, I think a stickied Community list on EtcetEra (not hangouts) would be good. We have watched threads too- when it comes to community threads the issue isn't finding the thread at the top of the page, it's finding it in the first place.
He made a thread in emergency with his pancreas in trouble then went silent like over a month ago
Who knew this is what came after the singularity?
After reading through the relevant threads from Friday, last night, and today, I think this experiment has revealed a fundamental misunderstanding between a good potion of the membership and the Admins/Prominent Members™, about what this forum is and who it serves, and that these two groups are talking right past each other.
There's a large portion of the community whose primary interaction with the forum is through EtcetEra and maybe a couple of OT threads. These members view EtcetEra as its own community. These are the folks complaining about the forum split, having to go past a bunch of OTs to get to the content they care about, and ultimately putting a bunch of people on ignore so they can interact with their actual community again.
On the other side are the admins, who through all of their posts repeatedly state that they consider OTs to be the foundation of the forum and they tie the health of these OTs to the overall health of the forums, so they're taking actions to promote these OTs. In this instance, the action they took ran right into a large faction of users who don't see things the same way.
And the most frustrating thing to me as I read all of these posts is that a lot of people aren't picking up what the Admins are putting down: that the OTs are the thing that take precedence, and that the Admins either aren't aware of, or are dismissive of, the community that has coalesced around EtcetEra.
Which is fair -- they pay for the maintenance and upkeep of it, so they get to decide what their forum is and who it serves. I would just counsel that a community isn't static, and that it begins changing and transforming after the events that led to its creation, so perhaps recognizing that fact and trying to understand it might actually go a long way toward promoting a healthy & vibrant forum. After all, you inherited this community from somewhere else, and that community can just as easily decide to move on from here.
There's a large portion of the community whose primary interaction with the forum is through EtcetEra and maybe a couple of OT threads. These members view EtcetEra as its own community. These are the folks complaining about the forum split, having to go past a bunch of OTs to get to the content they care about, and ultimately putting a bunch of people on ignore so they can interact with their actual community again.
On the other side are the admins, who through all of their posts repeatedly state that they consider OTs to be the foundation of the forum and they tie the health of these OTs to the overall health of the forums, so they're taking actions to promote these OTs. In this instance, the action they took ran right into a large faction of users who don't see things the same way.
And the most frustrating thing to me as I read all of these posts is that a lot of people aren't picking up what the Admins are putting down: that the OTs are the thing that take precedence, and that the Admins either aren't aware of, or are dismissive of, the community that has coalesced around EtcetEra.
Which is fair -- they pay for the maintenance and upkeep of it, so they get to decide what their forum is and who it serves. I would just counsel that a community isn't static, and that it begins changing and transforming after the events that led to its creation, so perhaps recognizing that fact and trying to understand it might actually go a long way toward promoting a healthy & vibrant forum. After all, you inherited this community from somewhere else, and that community can just as easily decide to move on from here.
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Exactly. There should be only one forum on this site, politics.
I mean, it's funny, because the original announcement thread had a reassurance that they weren't doing this to separate politics into its own thing, but the people who came out in support of it in that thread were just like the people celebrating 'no more politics yay.' Even if that wasn't the intention, it was so obvious how it would go down that those people would do what they did with gaming and push as much politics away as possible.
Unfortunately, I think they will still end up splitting us up again just not as cluttered and as messy.
Unfortunately, I think they will still end up splitting us up again just not as cluttered and as messy.
anyone compiled a list of posts suggesting the staff might be alt-right sympathizers? for the sake of community spirit and all.
That is not good. Does anyone have a way to check to see if he is OK?
When GAF recently made their split, they just got 2 disgusting subforums out of 1. Politics is 100% about how mean the left are, "changing demographics", and how racism is just a fictitious concept. The new Off-Topic is just some more of that, plus hating women that aren't rail thin.
And the elf still just bans anyone who disagrees with him, even respectfully, on his "no opinions are off limits" hugbox.
So, it could be worse guys.
And the elf still just bans anyone who disagrees with him, even respectfully, on his "no opinions are off limits" hugbox.
So, it could be worse guys.
Thanks, they definitely are being considered (no point in me having read the entire thread otherwise lol). We're going back to the drawing board, taking feedback from that thread and here, and seeing what we can do. I wouldn't expect any major changes in the near term future though, since we're working on other things like 2.0 which are taking the majority of our time. Some of the smaller suggestions (the stickies, etc.) I think we can play around with pretty easily.
Yeah, I really liked that thread. I'll see if we can get it back. Bear with us though, I'm on a plane and my wifi is literally ther worst. :)
I respect you coming forward.
Why couldn't we just have a separate section just for sports?
Was that a possibility? It makes sense and wouldn't interfere in anything else.
Okay, I see I haven't been there in a while.
According to comments on Resetera I see frequently, you largely can't defend Trump support without that broad category of offenses under your belt. Trump support is premised on these kinds of infractions. Am I wrong?
I remember that as well.
Yeah, I missed the context. I went a few pages back to get it proper. I thought we were talking pre-Exodus. My mistake.
- gaming
- etcetera
- gaming hangouts
- entertainment hangouts
- miscellaneous hangouts
Nobody has heard from him in a while, it's actually very concerning. :(
The last official feedback thread I remember got locked right quick.
If you have a poll and it ends up 50/50, you go back to the drawing board and come up with an idea that has more support instead of experimenting on the main (only) branch.
That's an EPL thing, right? Not really my area of football expertise, sorry.
Again, why not have an open poll about what to do? Why get such a small sample size of a forum that's 40k strong?
Everything about what you said was completely reasonable. If people jump on you for this, it's a them problem.
I, personally, think the leaving in the main forum for the first couple of weeks or so is fine, as pretty much any sports thread is super active. After that though, the sports threads aren't going to drown in Hangouts. They are the good swimmers.
I don't mind all the political talk, we live in serious, dangerous times. But, I agree that this place is less fun. It's a feeling I've been having for a while now and had considered making a thread about before. Now, the only fun places seem to be Community Threads.
Entirely correct. I'm assuming that they did some legwork given their messaging around wanting to improve OT community engagement. But they probably should've collected more data on why people weren't engaging with them and whether or not it was even because of their location in Hangouts.
If we're totally redoing the process, a few intercept surveys (using either SurveyMonkey, SurveyGizmo, Google Forms, or if you have the money for it, Qualtrics) over the rest of the year would've worked wonders in when comparing them to site usuage data.
From there you could do a few follow up interviews and then move on to some usability tests with platforms like Lookback, UserZoom, even Skype.
All of these things could've been done for cheap, over the internet, and would've given you the feedback you needed before progressing into either a more expansive A/B test, or a site redesign.
I actually bought out the ResetEra admins on behalf of a Qatari consortium in August.
Almost every time in the past I've read people want that kind of subforum it was something along those lines. Very rarely I just see somebody argue for that because they're specifically tired of Trump threads, I give you that. But that doesn't really warrant a structure change, and instead a hide thread function based on keywords.
I don't really see the merit in that. It seems like arbitrary splitting to me. Video games and non-VGs works well. You could justify comic or movie sections as well, but many past forums have not benefitted from that kind of structuring. As said above I think what you guys want is a native thread hide function.
Isn't this the way things have always been? It was like this this past weekend yeah? Like that makes total sense, but even then it gets completely undone when all of the constantly active threads are sharing the same platform.
It's like how My Hero gets an anime thread on EtcetEra during the new season but then goes to hangouts when it's done, or how Smash basically has a community thread on the front page now.
And just like there, people fail to provide examples when talking about bans like this. You could be a Trump supporter, you just couldn't be racist. GAF was not extreme left, people just aren't use to being called out or liberal opinions on the internet because so much of it is a conservative and alt right safe space.
The change is supposedly meant to target OTs, specifically those with little activity. I guess they wanted to see what their target thinks more than they want to see what the rest do?
It was clearly about the recent past, right after the mass exodus.
Any thoughts on this post?
I'm glad it's back because as was said, it made it hard to find current threads to discuss new news. I think the intentions are good but the solution needs to be implemented in a way that doesn't adversely affect core functions.
I see this point as well.
Sports threads always seem to stay afloat. I've never had issue finding a thread for NHL playoffs or anything NFL related.
Why won't mods here let you have a regular topic during the on-season when things like gaming OTs get pulled out of the hangouts section to the main forum when they get released on a new console (eg Hollow Knight)? deltaplus
I think one of the issues that is causing the community threads
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