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So.... what happened?
- Thread starter DrForester
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If the idea was so controversial that you needed to keep a secret focus group that you are afraid of outing, a public poll really seems like a better way to havd done it.
My fear is that the "prominent members" were just hand-picked people who will confirm the biases of the admins. Not to suggest a conspiracy, because that's silly. It's more so lies to not look bad or clique-ish. You did not foresee having to answer for how this was conceived, so the explanations have gotten weirder as time goes on.
The lack of transparency on any of that process looks a lot more like damage control than trying to protect anybody from dogpiling (you have the power to lock threads and ban people after all, and harassing users is already against the rules).
My fear is that the "prominent members" were just hand-picked people who will confirm the biases of the admins. Not to suggest a conspiracy, because that's silly. It's more so lies to not look bad or clique-ish. You did not foresee having to answer for how this was conceived, so the explanations have gotten weirder as time goes on.
The lack of transparency on any of that process looks a lot more like damage control than trying to protect anybody from dogpiling (you have the power to lock threads and ban people after all, and harassing users is already against the rules).
I'm fine with this. The #Resettlers did a good thing helping migrate everyone over here
That was it. The good will from that doesn't last forever and it sucks they're still considered above everyone else, segregating us from what feels like where the real feedback is heard. I'm just lucky I thought ahead and had a noticeable amount including B---y on my ignore list, which btw today has shown people need to stop feeling afraid to use that function. It's there for a reason
A) It wouldn't have achieved the objective of the move (which was to increase activity inside the OTs since they would still be in a OT-only subforum that nobody browses) and B) it would effectively turn Etc into a Politics subforum.
deltaplus
1- Why was the change announced and implemented with such a short window for feedback in between?
2- Was considering overall feedback ever part of the process?
3- What metrics were considered before trying to make the change?
4- What are the lessons learned and what will change going forward?
Not necessarily, just people that were very active in said communities
No doubt, me either. Especially cause I'm not paying the no ads fee.
I visit the site pretty much everyday, reading posts from everyone else for hours at a time.
It hasn't been community run ever. And any requests for transparency have always been summarily squashed or ignored. Same behavior, different URL.
deltaplus
Can you please elaborate on this, specifically how did it work? Cause those 'dead' Hangouts are still going to get pushed into oblivion. Why wasn't this also done for the Gaming side?
If we're spitballing ideas, having a community index stickied at the top was a good idea.
I would say the OT hangouts activity shows that there's not a lot of interest in those threads, not that their location is wrong.
Communities have moved on to Discord. The various topics that encompass the whole of Resetera can't be recreated in Discord, and therefor find success.
Why do you speak like a mod but have no mod tag? Are you perhaps...part of that shadow council??!
deltaplus
I'm very uncomfortable with how the admins/mods did not create (and keep open) a feedback thread after all things were said and done. That lead to an influx of threads asking what happened that were instantly locked, which is even a worse look.
This whole (censorship-heavy) series of events sets a bad precedent, and goes against the whole message about transparency and community being at the core of the forum.
Can someone shed some light on the internal policy regarding these proposed forum changes, and more importantly, how is the admin/mod team planning on addressing feedback going forward?
I'd like to know before I continue investing more time here.
They were trying to increase visibility of less popular OTs, as of right now they are all shoved off of the front page by the popular ones. Splitting hangouts would give better visibility.
Hey, at least us EU people got to do something for once.
And yes, it was bad. In a how could you not have seen this clusterfuck coming kind of way.
Seems a problem to ask members voted for by communities...about decisions relating to communities whilst ignoring general threads.
I personally didn't mind the change in the brief time I used it but it's a shame that an overwhelming majority just seemed to throw hissy fits and conjure up conspiracy theories forcing a revert. Could it have been better implemented? Sure the I like the base idea of it and hopefully one day it can return in an improved way.
This was my experience, except it happened at 930 or 10 my time. Try to browse several times. Wake up still under maintenance.
Quit making fucking changes, just like the themes thing, just leave shit alone.
Is that a problem with how the Forums are setup or simply a lack of interest in many OT subjects and/or a lack of population to sustain so many OT threads?
Yeah, definitely. Most of us in NA and SA didn't get to experience the changes, so that means a select few (dare I say prominent members..I jest) pushed their opinions through. Anyway, what's done is done.
Of course. I read every single post in that thread. There was some great constructive feedback in there that we'll consider for any further iterations, should we decide to do them, although not in the near term.
I posted in the announcement thread that this was an experiment we wanted to try and evalute. There was a lot of positive and negative feedback - I don't have the exact numbers, but it was encouraging enough that we wanted to run the experiment and get hard metrics on the changes. As you can see, we quickly decided it was best to revert and so that's why we're back to the original structure.
The key thing I want to emphasize is that we be willing to experiment. Sometimes the experiments will work, sometimes they won't. But you can rest assured we're listening and quickly iterating.
One thing that this brought up is how can we run experiments more quickly without making massive changes to the entire site. We'll be thinking about how to avoid these long downtimes in the future as well to make this a bit easier on everyone.
Some of the posters making comments akin to wanting their heads on a platter is insane to me.
I was part of another forum with a "super secret club" that was pretty gross behind the scenes. If F3 rings a bell...
Hey, if I ran something like the Dragonball OT... I'd say put DB OT on the main page in a section with other OTs. That alone would kill alotta redundant threads.
Mix of both, there are definitely threads that just die because people lack interest in them, but there are also quite a number of OTs people just don't come across and only noticed they exist and expressed interest to post there when the update was rolled out for a short while.