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Sou Da

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Oct 25, 2017
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This fucking awful, just append hangouts to those two sections if you want them to be split that bad.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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I think this sort of change has the possibility of making the site less connected. If people wanted to have communities, there was nothing stopping them before, but now you have discussions about technology to explicitly ignore these threads. This change created this problem. If the first page of etcetera is fifteen OTs followed by a few of the most timely posts, things will get lost and posters will leave. If you want to give squeaky wheels the ability to self curate their experience, then do that, but do not curate it on the whole as a default.
 

funky

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From what I understand though is that this change actually feels like a step back to many (especially those who are interested in news and shit) because now you not only have to navigate through three forums to get to the content you are interested in but also have to browse through forums filled with OTs. From that perspective, it absolutely makes sense that a lot of you are annoyed about this change.

How was this NOT THE FIRST THING admins saw when this wet fart of a idea was brought up?

Jesus Christ. And people where screaming it at you in the announcement thread too.


Or maybe you knew it would happen and just said fuck it?
 

Deleted member 888

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A compromise may just be going back to the "hangout spotlight" feature, but re-thinking it/making it more prominent somehow?
 

zou

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Oct 29, 2017
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dumb as fuck. half the page is OTs, in both forums. trying to find new threads is an exercise in patience..
 

ViewtifulJC

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Oct 25, 2017
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ResetEra mods pulling straws to see who has to face the angry Era members and discuss these changes, with the homie Nibel getting the short end

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Tektonic

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Oct 25, 2017
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Good the team is looking for feedback but seriously this Is something I need to throw out there.

I'd love to meet the absolutely insane person that clicks entertainment and peruses through the community threads with the occasional news.

"Hmm, what do I feel like this evening? Magic? Doctor Who? K-On? ooo, maybe some football then superheroes arguments!"

This is like a big bang theory level of fantasy nerd.

no need to denigrate and insult readers/posters of Big Bang OT. Be better.
 

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I think this sort of change has the possibility of making the site less connected. If people wanted to have communities, there was nothing stopping them before, but now you have discussions about technology to explicitly ignore these threads. This change created this problem. If the first page of etcetera is fifteen OTs followed by a few of the most timely posts, things will get lost and posters will leave. If you want to give squeaky wheels the ability to self curate their experience, then do that, but do not curate it on the whole as a default.
Yeah. This is why "just wait, you'll get used to it" rings hollow. The way you get used to it is by ignoring tons of community threads and prominent community members. The damage is done.
 

Fuzzy

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Oct 25, 2017
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It's too early to make any fair judgment. It hasn't even been 24 hrs. Many of you need to get a grip.

Evaluate the changes after a few weeks.
You mean in a few weeks when all the new threads for returning TV shows are made further clogging up the Entertainment board on a regular basis? Nah, I already know what it'll look like which is why I'm hiding a massive amount of threads already and hope for an official way to do it so my mobile experience is as good as my PC experience.
 

Dennis8K

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Oct 25, 2017
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As the most prominent of all prominent members (primus inter pares), I for one, am happy they followed all of my demands.


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Deleted member 4021

Oct 25, 2017
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The fact that the only people happy with the change are the ones who want to ignore "politics" is very telling.
 

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Apologies for my slow responses - I'll try to address as many concerns as possible

I'm kind of in awe at the nerve you have to say this when we had the announcement thread filled with people saying basically this exact same thing and went almost completely ignored and then just dismissed when it was acknowledged. SMH.

Wow, I'm surprised that you would have this reaction Shauni considering you are one of our calmer members which is visible in that specific thread you have mentioned.

Don't shake your head too hard

It's not meant to be dramatic. It's just that I watched Bush and co lead us into an unnecessary, catastrophic war with the best of intentions over the objections of people who saw that even being attempted with the best of intentions, it would end in catastrophe because the people involved did not understand the forces or circumstances with which they were attempting change. And so it becomes the obvious metaphor for me when a group of people think their righteousness is enough to justify overriding the concerns of people who understand the circumstances far, far better than they do.

Kirb, I get what you were getting at; I still think it's a somewhat inappropriate comparison considering we are talking about a forum restructuring here and there are probably better analogies than comparing it to one of the worst wars of all time.

Is the failed feedback thread the one that went up with the announcement, a mere two days before the change?

No, the announcement thread is the announcement thread, there hasn't been a dedicated feedback thread for this

Also, how long was the thread open for before being locked?

Also, why was the post count of the thread hidden?

..huh?

The announcement thread has been open from Friday to today. And that post count was not hidden, what you think of is the stickied thread in Etcetera that was just a relink to the actual thread in the Announcement forum. Please ask more interesting questions in the future and not stuff you can look up yourself

In accordance with transparency, can we please get a list of the Prominent Members?

Considering the current mob mentality in this thread I'd rather not do that? You can lash out your anger against me, the community reps might have agreed to the restructuring but shouldn't be held responsible for something that was ultimately decided by us

man you guys hate criticism.

I mean, I get it, but... man.

Am I not allowed to make lame jokes like some others here now?

I thought this place was supposed to be different
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Then may this please be stickied so people can easily find it?

I've just done that and edited the title, but considering how fast things behind the scenes right now, I don't expect much usage of this thread

Can y'all even tell us who the "prominent community figures" were that contributed to this current decision? How were they chosen? What was the input process like and for how long did it last before the decision to go-ahead was made? The lack of transparency on this particular part feels quite awful for us apparently non-important community members (aka, most of the users on the site).

1) No
2+3) They were not "chosen", they've built small communities on their own and have been with us since the site's inception

if you're going to make a major change on how this site runs you don't use prominent members. You have a a thread that everyone can post in or have a simple Poll. cuz I don't know who the prominent members are they could be anybody you haven't told us. We don't know how many they are , we don't know what their goals are, we know nothing. Hell I'm probably probably remember since I'm a major part of multiple communities and I was shot this down immediately.

If that's the case then you have never really bothered to approach SweetNicole or any other of us; considering I mostly know you from Hip Hop Era, I'm surprised by this. Feel free to contact her and tell her what communities you represent

Nah dawg, papa Nibel knows better than a common user like yourself

Go clean your room

I'm going to lipstickalley. Where my kind is VALUED.

I do value you and am disappointed about the avatar change, smh
 

Sou Da

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Oct 25, 2017
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I told y'all Nibel. Should have just taken the lazy way out after the feedback of the previous thread and done nothing at all.

Now deep down you know you're going to have waste time reversing this shit.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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This is a UX nightmare, and considering there seem to be a not-insignificant number of people trying to jury rig a solution by blocking OTs or the people who made them, this feels like something the admins need to reverse course on sooner rather than later. Unless you feel a whole lot of people permanently ignoring OTs and creators is how to help OTs and build a community.
 

Y2Kev

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Oct 25, 2017
13,863
I thought this was originally just to quarantine all the Marvel and Star Wars arguments into their own forum because those communities seep into other, less awful threads. I think that should still be the goal.
 

Bacon

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Oct 26, 2017
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I think the funniest thing about it is these changes actually bury community OT's even more than they already were. So the official reason given for these changes isn't even valid.
 

CDX

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Oct 25, 2017
3,476
If this, random thread is to become the de facto feedback thread then here is my feedback.

1. This tries to solve a problem that didn't exist. And doesn't solve it anyway.

People seek and participate in community threads that they have an interest in. People, by and large, did not randomly trawl through the Hangouts subforum looking for things to join.
If community threads had low volume, it is because there was insufficient interest - they will fade into obscurity regardless of whether they are in a dedicated forum or not. Meanwhile, community threads with a lot of interest will remain highly active, which leads to point two...

2. This greatly reduces the usability for what I imagine is the majority of people's use case and the bulk of site traffic - having a good source of news and a place to discuss it.
There are a range of active community threads, that when the site is active will typically have regular new posts, often these are just idle chit chat posts as well, "Hello how are you." etc. The deluge of community threads (1) simply creates noise to filter through and (2) pushes actual new news posts off the front page. People have begun actively filtering these out using scripts etc. Because simply having things you aren't interested in thrust in your face is not going to make you suddenly interested in them.
If you are interested in reading some particular community threads, this blunt approach isn't useful.

3. This ease of use is further negatively impacted by the splitting of "Entertainment" from everything else.
One now needs to visit two separate subforums in order to e.g. discuss the life of Aretha Franklin upon her passing and discuss the life of John McCain upon his passing.

My final feedback for now is probably that if this is a feedback thread it should be renamed as such and stickied. And also in relation to point three, it needs to be in both this Entertainment forum and the everything else forum. Because people aren't going to visit both all of the time.

I'm really finding all the threads that used to be in the Hangouts subforum to be a cluttered distraction.

Back in the day on GAF if I remember correctly that's WHY the community subforums were created, to move these old community mega threads to their very own section, so they didn't clutter up and hide the new topics and threads.

Now we not only have the Hangout threads the vast majority of the forum user base wasn't interested now cluttering up the forum.

To find threads that interest you. You now have to click and browse two forums "Entertainment" and "EtcetEra" that are both cluttered with Hangout threads, when before you only had to look at an uncluttered "EtcetEra".



I think I hate all the Hangout threads cluttering up the forums the most, much more than the "EtcetEra" and "Entertainment" split, but both are not good IMO.

After the awful NightEra design, with the blinding colors STILL not fixed and now with THIS restructuring I'm really not looking forward to whatever ResetEra 2.0 will be. I have no faith in ResetEra 2.0 at all.



So, to summarise the process:

  • Initial announcement thread with auto-notify for all members disabled.
  • Closed-door consultation with "prominent members" who the admin won't even confirm the number of.
  • Pinned 3 day notice thread on a Friday afternoon on a holiday weekend with most of the admin team absent.
  • Locked feedback thread.
  • Unpinned non-admin feedback thread that started out a as a joke thread.

Well some Mod or somebody stickied this thread now at least.
 

MmmSkyscraper

Member
Oct 25, 2017
107
So I guess my question is: would you guys be a bit more happy with this change if we had a thread ignore feature that works both on desktop or mobile? Or is this something that should be reversed because it harms your enjoyment of the forum?

I think it should be reversed.

A native thread ignore feature would be handy but it doesn't solve this problem.
 

Just_a_Mouse

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Oct 27, 2017
2,030
I just checked Etcetera again, and there are well over a dozen OT megathreads cluttering up the first page. Sigh. ERA is easily my number one most visited website, seeing it like this is really bringing me down.

I really hope things can change back. All these OT threads would be better off in a separate subforum, as before.
 

Tobor

Member
Oct 25, 2017
28,477
Richmond, VA
What's baffling to me is that the entire point of community threads is to separate them from the main page and not clutter it up.

So now they add them to the main page and clutter it up, and they are surprised we are irritated?

How does this kind of cognitive dissonance happen?
 

Deleted member 1698

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I can already see a positive change as some of the dominant threads... become dominant. If people really want random garbage appearing all the time, I'd suggest there are plenty of other sites where you can hurt or heal final fantasy characters all day long.

Bring on the same change to gaming side please.
 

Hours Left

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Oct 26, 2017
18,407
When this gets reversed, please merge the "Entertainment" and Etc. sections back together too, like it was before.

Comic readers don't deserve a safe space.
 

Flipyap

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Oct 25, 2017
2,489
Well, huh. I thought some people might have been exaggerating after the announcement, but just looking at the current mix of threads in EtcetEra makes me think that I will never want to look at that forum.
OT/EtcetEra was always about dodging threads about poop and boners to find the interesting ones, but the balance is now completely out of whack. I just don't have the patience to wade through two different subforums dedicated to randomness.
News threads are almost completely buried now and I don't feel like playing a subforum guessing game to predict where something relevant might pop up.

Welp , forum is ruined. Time to hit discord and make a new forum using the same community of the previous forum but better somehow. Third time is the charm, isn't?
It is the era of resets, after all. Don't say they didn't warn ya!
 

Frozenprince

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Oct 25, 2017
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Nibel what specific traffic and or posting habits/metrics made the staff believe that this wouldn't clutter the front page and thus the overwhelming majority of traffic to the site and negatively impact the end user experience? I asked a few questions about the top 5 active community threads in both sections now if you're privu to that info (again I don't know your internal structure) that would alleviate a lot of concerns I'm sure.
 

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The change is definitely for the worse when it comes to the chances of me venturing outside the gaming section. Moving between two sections is just an unnecessary hurdle and the Entertainment side especially is just OTs on the first page..
 
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