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Official word seems to be that was not why they did this. Allegedly, it was to give OT's more attention.
we live in a society
How come this thread ain't stickied? mods are directing complaints to this thread from Etcetera and locking threads
I don't see political issues threads anymore. Those were my go to for interesting news so this change impacts me negatively.
Maybe it can be fixed by ignoring a large quantity of threads to unclutter the etc board from the community threads I have no interest in, but this would require work and I doubt most people will do it.
Hmmmm maybe this dude's have been a prominent memberOh look, a majority of people aren't liking this. If only there were people who warned that this might happen, and hadn't been summarily dismissed as not important enough.
That behavior is an immediate sign that the three-forum setup may not work even with the OT issue fixed.How come this thread ain't stickied? mods are directing complaints to this thread from Etcetera and locking threads
Ironically, this thread is full of people (including myself) asking how to hide the OTs, and the answer seems to be ignoring prominent members lolProminent members get more eyeballs on their communities, while all the deplorables get to read TLJ threads without getting triggered. It's a win-win!
Because there would still be tons of cross posting since games and entertainment is political.
If this wasn't so political I'd be laughing.
The fact that there was no official feedback thread is baffling. Regardless of that it seems like this change has gone roughly how people predicted it would in the previous thread, not only is the site significantly more annoying to browse (especially on mobile) but now you have posters getting put on ignore in place of an ignore thread feature.
It's kind of hilarious that there was no official immediate feedback thread after the layout change went live. They really don't give a fuck.
I am curious Nibel were the changes, in their current released form, unanimously agreed upon within ResetEra's staff? Or even within the staff team is there some opposition to the changes? Not asking you to name names just to get a feel of if some of the staff seemingly agree with the perceptions of X, Y and Z members. There seems to be some surprise of the admins at the reaction this has gotten.
Yeah I'm not sure why they wanted this change kept quiet either, now I think on it. Wouldn't it have been better to give everyone a heads-up on a massive restructure instead of dropping the bomb and have everyone resent both the staff and these 'prominent members' for the changes to their general browsing. Guys. You gotta work on your communication to us, at least.
Yeah I hear you on this part, just trying to expand on what a couple of people seemed to half-suggest. The biggest issue I personally see on this particular topic is that if you have two valid places for certain topics, either they're scattered or naturally gravitate towards one place which can become status quo over time. Neither seem great to me as far as forum experience goes.
for realAlso, frankly, the decision to have the Entertainment icon third instead of fourth (to actually replace the removed forum) is a bit frustrating as it's already fucking with my muscle memory.
That eye blinding purple on the new themes has been widely criticized across the board. It hasn't been altered or even spoken about in months. Don't get your hopes up.This matter should be a public discussions. I dont want change myself but if majority members want it I have no problem.
But instead admin staffs handles this in such ignorant condescension, "we know what best for you" way, I'm disappointed.
This is why you make sure you don't do these kinds of things when you've literally created your user base around the core concept of their involvement with the sites development.
Clearly you are allowed to do whatever it's y'all's site and you're the ones making the money but also paying the server costs and hosting and paying whoever is doing the development. But you should have known better than to handle the situation the way you did. Now there's no clear information available as to the change and the impetus behind it other than assumptions.
When I first logged on and accidentally hit the entertainment section because of muscle memory, I saw this thread title and assumed it was a shitpost.I mean y'all don't even have this pinned, haven't changed the title, or the poll, like come on. You should know how to read the room.
I'm sure people will still believe what they want to believe at the end of the day, but I can promise you that when this idea first came up, we only had the best intentions in mind, which was to encourage more discussion and to give more visibility to community threads that different people might find interest in. We talked about this for a long time and decided to at least give it a shot for a some time, which we are doing now.
So I guess my question is: would you guys be a bit more happy with this change if we had a thread ignore feature that works both on desktop or mobile? Or is this something that should be reversed because it harms your enjoyment of the forum?
I won't go into more detail as this thread is not about the failed feedback thread. I'll say this: it's not that we didn't like the feedback from the thread, but that certain individuals took the thread as an opportunity to lash out against the staff in front of an audience which culminated in a framing of an event that gave the impression that we shutdown a minority community which is nonsense. Our communication in that thread could have been much better, and I apologize for that. That being said: the bits and pieces of valuable feedback are being looked at and incorporated into 2.0.
We have consulted with community leaders (Prominent Members™) who we see as representatives of our sub-communities about this change and their feedback has been way more positive than in this thread or the announcement one which is why perceived this as a positive change for many. To say that we didn't ask for any input is flat out wrong, but this thread makes it clear that the community wants to be consulted more when it comes to big changes like this one which will be reconsidered.
I agree, epecially since OT creators are getting ignored to make the forum more usable.At least
I call BS on this one. it actually makes it harder to seek out lesser known ot
This is why you make sure you don't do these kinds of things when you've literally created your user base around the core concept of their involvement with the sites development.
Clearly you are allowed to do whatever it's y'all's site and you're the ones making the money but also paying the server costs and hosting and paying whoever is doing the development. But you should have known better than to handle the situation the way you did. Now there's no clear information available as to the change and the impetus behind it other than assumptions.
Which is exactly what happened.I personally didn't voice an opinion in the thread because I felt it would simply be thrown on the pile of other dissenting opinions for a change that would go through no matter what.
man you guys hate criticism.
Then may this please be stickied so people can easily find it?
You are the only person so far to have actually interacted in a way that acknowledges feedback rather than talks over it out of the admin team, and it's very much appreciated.Well, there has been the announcement thread which offered room for feedback, but I won't pretend as if the framing of the thread encouraged detailed and thought out feedback. It also probably did not help that the time between the announcement and the execution has been short.
The next big change will be 2.0 which is more of a visual change but will also incorporate some new neat features as well. There will be a feedback thread as well, and I will make sure to have more overall community involvement in decisions and to have those feedback threads.
At first I wasn't sure about it because our members are probably way too used to the old structure, but when I saw the data, I did not have any major objections and was ready to give it at least a shot. I have to admit that I didn't expect people to feel *this* strongly about it, but reading the replies I understand that we misread your priorities when it comes to this forum and that I at least will make an effort to make your voices heard in the future.
You are the only person so far to have actually interacted in a way that acknowledges feedback rather than talk over it out of the admin team, and it's very much appreciated.
maybe make an actual, official feedback thread
Well, there has been the announcement thread which offered room for feedback, but I won't pretend as if the framing of the thread encouraged detailed and thought out feedback. It also probably did not help that the time between the announcement and the execution has been short.
The next big change will be 2.0 which is more of a visual change but will also incorporate some new neat features as well. There will be a feedback thread as well, and I will make sure to have more overall community involvement in decisions and to have those feedback threads.
Then may this please be stickied so people can easily find it?
if you're going to make a major change on how this site runs you don't use prominent members. You have a a thread that everyone can post in or have a simple Poll. cuz I don't know who the prominent members are they could be anybody you haven't told us. We don't know how many they are , we don't know what their goals are, we know nothing. Hell I'm probably probably remember since I'm a major part of multiple communities and I was shot this down immediately.Alright, first off: insulting those members as "bootlickers" is incredibly disrespectful as those people put more time in helping with fostering this community than most members on this website. They also necessarily do not agree to anything we propose, and they've helped us with getting all the communities together in the first place.
I think calling them "a very small minority of people" is a simple-minded take considering a lot of them are in charge of some of our biggest communities of the website and have usually a good read on their communities.
BUT: I get that not everybody is part of said communities and that in the future we shouldn't refrain from asking the general population about stuff like this
Or at least put this one in both of the Entertainment and Etcetera sections.
Nah dawg, papa Nibel knows better than a common user like yourselfThen may this please be stickied so people can easily find it?
So, to summarise the process:
- Initial announcement thread with auto-notify for all members disabled.
- Closed-door consultation with "prominent members" who the admin won't even confirm the number of.
- Pinned 3 day notice thread on a Friday afternoon on a holiday weekend with most of the admin team absent.
- Locked feedback thread.
- Unpinned non-admin feedback thread that started out a as a joke thread.
I guess the good news is this could really help my productivity.Etcetera was a great news aggregate, but now this is all just so blah. A culmative hangouts section, with an entertainment and news/random etcetera split would have been the far better solution, but now its a flood of OTs with no chance in hell to find things to read at an acceptable pace. I'm used to browsing through the sub sections and opening tabs to read, but now its a case by case situation, getting bored far faster. - 100/10, its that bad.