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Are you not entertained? Or: let's talk about the restructuring
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As the lead dev on an application with 30k daily users, sometimes you have to revert changes.
Then you learn to do AB testing, work with your users/customers to ensure you understand their needs, rethink your approach and roll new changes out down the line.
It's not the end of the world - provided you listen and are willing to adapt to the needs of your users.
It's tough - it needs customer reps who understand THEIR users needs and then communicate them up the line. That's where I think we failed here - the "prominent members" polled did not understand what the majority of users needed.
News & Politics are inherently a part of Life.
Steps to improving your resetera browsing experience.
1) Ignore all members with the Community Resettler Tag
2) Ignore all members that created an OT, if you missed any
3) Open up a fresh pack of Mentos™ and sit back
Freshmaker is a loaded term.
Thank god for this Mentos |OT| showing me the way.
If they can reach one poster, just one, and get that person to sub to an ultra-niche OT, then this all will have been worth it.
Mentos |OT| The freshest thread*
*WARNING : Mentos OT might or might not be sponsored by Perfetti Van Melle Corporation. All rights reserved.
But working out on this new system works they still won't be able to see it
Yeah I echo the sentiment of having just discussions with the 'Prominant Members' and OT Creators was absolutely the wrong decision.
Emphasising the community aspect of this board and how everyone came together, but then slowly separating the administration team and 'Prominant members' as gatekeepers overseeing the running of the site.
I'm sure the intentions were good, I'm not a conspiracy nut thinking this was some grand scheme for advertising revenue for the LLC.
This change wasn't one that really had a reason at all to be a secret until it was already going to be implemented. It should have been put to the community in its embryonic stages to see how people thought about it. Have a wider discussion with a larger variety of people rather than the select few gatekeepers.
The site started off well in engaging with the community and allowing us as a group to decide and suggest things and that should be kept going forwards. I'm not saying you can only implement large majority approved changes cus muh democracy either - just getting community feedback would be helpful and also validates our opinions.
I'm not Doom-mongering and am willing to give it a chance but my initial perception is the changes are bad. Topics and OTs don't belong with each other, and I'm unsure if the separation of entertainment and politics is the best decision.
Ignoring threads isn't the answer, having two tandem topics on the same thing isn't the answer.
The community leaders would obviously support the change as it seemingly benefits the eyes on their community and OT threads - so consulting them was just a self-fulfilling manouvering to say 'but we spoke to the community!', you spoke to people who the changes would directly benefit and know would generally support them as it increases their prominance.
I am curious Nibel were the changes, in their current released form, unanimously agreed upon within ResetEra's staff? Or even within the staff team is there some opposition to the changes? Not asking you to name names just to get a feel of if some of the staff seemingly agree with the perceptions of X, Y and Z members. There seems to be some surprise of the admins at the reaction this has gotten.
Emphasising the community aspect of this board and how everyone came together, but then slowly separating the administration team and 'Prominant members' as gatekeepers overseeing the running of the site.
I'm sure the intentions were good, I'm not a conspiracy nut thinking this was some grand scheme for advertising revenue for the LLC.
This change wasn't one that really had a reason at all to be a secret until it was already going to be implemented. It should have been put to the community in its embryonic stages to see how people thought about it. Have a wider discussion with a larger variety of people rather than the select few gatekeepers.
The site started off well in engaging with the community and allowing us as a group to decide and suggest things and that should be kept going forwards. I'm not saying you can only implement large majority approved changes cus muh democracy either - just getting community feedback would be helpful and also validates our opinions.
I'm not Doom-mongering and am willing to give it a chance but my initial perception is the changes are bad. Topics and OTs don't belong with each other, and I'm unsure if the separation of entertainment and politics is the best decision.
Ignoring threads isn't the answer, having two tandem topics on the same thing isn't the answer.
The community leaders would obviously support the change as it seemingly benefits the eyes on their community and OT threads - so consulting them was just a self-fulfilling manouvering to say 'but we spoke to the community!', you spoke to people who the changes would directly benefit and know would generally support them as it increases their prominance.
I am curious Nibel were the changes, in their current released form, unanimously agreed upon within ResetEra's staff? Or even within the staff team is there some opposition to the changes? Not asking you to name names just to get a feel of if some of the staff seemingly agree with the perceptions of X, Y and Z members. There seems to be some surprise of the admins at the reaction this has gotten.
The more I look at it the worse this change seems to me. I browse EtcetEra for the odd news tidbit, topics that do not get much attention in my corner of the planet and the occasional new tv show or film. Now the entertainment section is clogged with American sports and super hero stuff I couldn't care less about and the EcetEra section is clogged with other OT that are more active than the old Ecetera topics.
Who you really should be thanking is Perfetti Van Melle for making such a wonderful product in Mentos.
Man I just make the monthly book thread to give people a place to talk about what they're reading on. I assure you I don't hold an egotistical pathological need to have my thread on top or even be seen. Sometimes I get 150 posts, sometimes near 300. It doesn't really matter to me man.
Some of you really need to get a grip for a second and calm down a bit. I assure you the nasty barbarian thread creators are not out to ruin your lives.
I like the change. There's a clear enough difference in topics to justify it. So too there is a great enough volume on both sides.
Man why do Europeans even want to keep up with our depressing ass news
Why isn't this thread in the Etcetera section as well? It really should be stickied there too.
people here are weird, and talking to us can be messy sure
but there's still a lot of the same people who left Gaf
the same people who stacked that discord
i dont see this as a betrayal, or as a strike
i dont see this as the admins leading us astray
i just see leaping at the chance of progress
i just feel like
maybe more than three days warning
maybe some more wide discussion
maybe something other than this
would be warranted
but there's still a lot of the same people who left Gaf
the same people who stacked that discord
i dont see this as a betrayal, or as a strike
i dont see this as the admins leading us astray
i just see leaping at the chance of progress
i just feel like
maybe more than three days warning
maybe some more wide discussion
maybe something other than this
would be warranted
Garbage. Happy as fuck I'm not the only one because i really want it changed.
IMO split it 3 ways. Community OT's, News/Entertainment, and Discussion.
I always hated news being mixed with "how do you wipe your ass?" type threads. This gives all types of threads good exposure (won't be a cluttered mess) and makes it easier for people to focus soley on what they want to read.
IMO split it 3 ways. Community OT's, News/Entertainment, and Discussion.
I always hated news being mixed with "how do you wipe your ass?" type threads. This gives all types of threads good exposure (won't be a cluttered mess) and makes it easier for people to focus soley on what they want to read.
Trump better not do anything stupid because only Resetera is able to tell the world what Trump has done?
Since it is not looking good here either I guess some of us like to reassure ourselves that it could be worse.
It seems like it is the only feedback thread we are getting though. So it should be soliciting feedback from Etcetera as well. Until we get a more official feedback thread at least.
You didn't know?
Trump is a golem created by ResetEra mods to bring in more traffic with his antics.
On the other hand, having all of ecetera lumped into one gave total exposure for people to see topics they otherwise might've not ever seen
Again, I can see how a "thread ignore" feature would only put a bigger (and arguably unnecessary) workload on our members - I understand that many people are not ready to give up the old structure for the new one with this feature.
As for our motives: there are probably more effective ways to drive traffic than restructuring the forum, and I'm tired of reading about this grand conspiracy of us sitting in the sacred admin chamber thinking about how we can exploit the most of our members. This change has zero to do with economic interests, as much as some of y'all would like to believe
Alright, first off: insulting those members as "bootlickers" is incredibly disrespectful as those people put more time in helping with fostering this community than most members on this website. They also necessarily do not agree to anything we propose, and they've helped us with getting all the communities together in the first place.
I think calling them "a very small minority of people" is a simple-minded take considering a lot of them are in charge of some of our biggest communities of the website and have usually a good read on their communities.
BUT: I get that not everybody is part of said communities and that in the future we shouldn't refrain from asking the general population about stuff like this
But I don't understand this sentiment considering we had a seperation between Gaming and Etcetera and Gaming wasn't free of politics either - since the website's inception.
Also, I'm pretty sure we action "no politics in here" thread-whiners (and if you feel we did not, feel free to report them in the future)
I know people will be pissed that I switch back to politician mode here, but let me emphasize that your voices won't be ignored
No one's stopping you mate.
The overreaction on display here is both hilarious and sad.
Not a fan of this at all.
Seems like an unnecessary change that makes OT feel way more cluttered.
Seems like an unnecessary change that makes OT feel way more cluttered.
Every time Trump tweets it's on BBC or Sky News. I understand not liking the layout changes this reshuffle brings about, but attempting to lead a "movement" implying Era somehow educates the world is some rich hyperbole. Nothing is stopping political topics existing either???
https://www.resetera.com/threads/it...-the-i-dont-want-to-see-politics-crowd.66141/
How are politics not going to be spoken about?
As "bad" as these changes might be a large portion of this communities reaction should lead to some self-reflection about overreacting. At this point, I'm actually thinking some might be troll accounts acting up to make the whole community a laughing stock for offsite antics.
Yeah, I had talked about in the announcement thread how this was just going to bury discussion and threads but I didn't realize how bad it would be with all the OTs in the front page. Half the page is just OTs and then I'm not even seeing the non-entertainment threads like before, and if I want then, I need to go to another section.
This change just makes it so you have to jump through a hurdles to try and find new and interesting threads.
Yeah I'm not sure why they wanted this change kept quiet either, now I think on it. Wouldn't it have been better to give everyone a heads-up on a massive restructure instead of dropping the bomb and have everyone resent both the staff and these 'prominent members' for the changes to their general browsing. Guys. You gotta work on your communication to us, at least.
The people who want a separation are effectively able to ignore the bulk of politics by default as if politics was moved to its own section. The change validates those opinions even if that isn't the intent.
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