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Oct 25, 2017
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Please correct me if my calculations are incorrect

If you bought a launch PS4 and have paid for PS plus primarily to play online for the duration of the PS4s lifetime, and you renew for another year in November, then you would have paid $719.93 so far

This is based on $399 plus $49.99 in Nov 13, followed by $49.99 in November 2014, 2015 and 2016, and then $59.99 to renew for November 2017 and 2018

So playing a launch PS4 online is already over 100 dollars more expensive than playing a launch PS3 online, and should you use your PS4 online for another 2 years that will push it to over 200 dollars more than a launch PS3

That comes to $319.94 spent on PS Plus over 5 years, which could also net you 5 AAA games at $60 a pop and still leave you with enough change for some DLC

Now obviously not everyone spent $399 on their PS4, and not everyone pays full price for Plus, so the actual figure per person will clearly differ depending on what kind of deals you've been able to get, but I think it's interesting to see how these costs soon climb up.

The "free" games are a nice incentive but when you add up the cost of Plus for half a decade it soon eclipses what you could have got those same games for during various PSN sales, and that's assuming the "free" games are always games you actually want to play

In March of this year Sony celebrated passing 34m PS Plus subscribers (34.2m to be exact) so again, a rough calculation, 34,200,000 x $59.99 = $2.051658 billion, a year. A year

So while servers cost money to maintain, and while a service is still being provided, along with 'free' games, it's obvious that the vast majority of the money you hand over for Plus is pure mark up, because the market has shown it's happy to pay this. You could also argue the service isn't that great, with servers for Demon's Souls and even a recent game like Gravity Rush 2 being shut down, and no crossplay being offered with other consoles for no good reason

Do you feel like PS Plus has been worth the cost over the last 5 years, and how do you feel about spending what will probably be close to $1000 for the PS5 and Plus over it's lifetime?
 
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ghostcrew

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I have had a PS4 and PS+ since (almost) launch so I feel a little daft considering I basically never play online on my PS4 (Rocket League was the exception!). Honestly, I mainly stay subbed because for some stupid fucking reason cloud saves are tied to PS+

Always try to resub during a sale though.

Looking forward to paying for three monthly online access subs by the end of the month!
 
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chanunnaki

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Oct 25, 2017
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Give me a great PS5 with BC, and I'll continue throwing money at Sony. After the support millions have shown Sony this gen, there is very little scope for them to screw up. We have seen arrogance time and again in this industry biting platform-holders in the ass. Sony needs to do what's right next gen or they may never recover.
 

Heckler456

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Oct 25, 2017
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I haven't payed more than around 30 bucks for a year of PS+ in my entire life.

Also, you get extra sales with PS+ too, and I sure as heck have made use of those.

I have had a PS4 and PS+ since (almost) launch so I feel a little daft considering I basically never play online on my PS4 (Rocket League was the exception!). Honestly, I mainly stay subbed because for some stupid fucking reason cloud saves are tied to PS+

Always try to resub during a sale though.
Back-up to USB should be a pretty easy solution to that.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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Had Rocket League for free 3 years ago with PS Plus. I still play it now. It's worth it to me. Demon's Souls servers and crossplay are weak arguments (crossplay has never been a promised thing and has nothing to do with servers)..
 

JustinBB7

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I'm new to PS4 but see no value in PS Plus. The free games you can't keep when you end your sub right so I don't care about that. I only play the single player exclusives on it anyway so don't need it for online play because I play multiplayer on PC. Only thing that would be nice is cloud saves I guess. Oh and the discounts on sales is like 10% more sometimes I suppose. But it's not worth it to pay monthly to get a minor extra discount is it.
 

ghostcrew

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Also, you get extra sales with PS+ too, and I sure as heck have made use of those.

I actually reckon I've 'made my money back' from PS+ sales actually. I'm a (mostly) digital purchaser so those have actually been really good for me. Buying the Nonary Games for £15 instead of £50 basically paid for PS+ for the year.
 

henhowc

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Oct 26, 2017
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Paying $4-5/mo. Probably closer to $3-4 due to waiting for sales.

Obviously the ideal scenario is to not be charged for online. But that's kind of on us for letting MS get away with it all those years ago.

PS+ instant game collection and PS+ sales have made it worth it for me.
 

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I don't mind the money investment and I will gladly continue in the ecosystem only if PS5 is fully BC with PS4.
 

Mbolibombo

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Oct 29, 2017
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I was subbed for a few months before I realized it just wasnt worth it for me.. I got a few games I've started and realized they sucked and I dont play online either so for me. I opted out rather early.

I am sure it's worth it for others though =)
 
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Including the price of the console itself is a bit disingenuous here.

$300 for 6 years of PSPlus is a shocking enough figure as it is, no need to inflate it unfairly.
 

Gibordep

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Nov 1, 2017
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Only if you pay the maximum Price from Plus. Plus as had great promotions, u could easily pay 45$ instead of 59$, and 40$ instead of 50$.

And if you want you could only buy 2/3 games a year to complement the Plus game offers.

The online should be free, but I have more than satisfied about the Plus game offers and discounts.

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And you shouldn't add the console price to the total amount, you need a console to play offline too..
 
Jun 1, 2018
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I own a ps4 and a gaming PC but I agrer. I would love to play online games on my ps4 but i mainly buy them on steam now since I don't have to pay a monthly fee to play them.i only use my ps4 for single player games now :(
 

Nightengale

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PS+ is $30 here, so luckily my spend for PS+ to date has only been around the $150-160 mark this gen.

In factoring in the select few games that I rented via IGC that I would've considered buying, but no longer need to - on top of Plus-only discounts, overall it's been worth it.
 

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The "free" games are a nice incentive but when you add up the cost of Plus for half a decade it soon eclipses what you could have got those same games for during various PSN sales, and that's assuming the "free" games are always games you actually want to play
Except you're getting an even greater discount by having a PS+ subscription during those sales. Sometimes a much greater discount. Not to mention PS+ exclusive sales. I've easily saved my subscription cost on sales alone. That's not including the "free" games. ~4 games a month on PS4 and I'm almost always interested in one of them if not all of them. If you only need PS+ for one or two online games a year then yeah... it might not be a great deal. But personally speaking, it's insane how much value I get out of it.
 

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I see exceptional value in $60 for one year of PS Plus free titles alone (I just downloaded Destiny 2, for example.) And I got Rocket League for free, which I have played nearly daily since it launched.

Being a PS Plus sub has definitely curbed my game buying habbits, but more than that it has curbed my spending on alternative entertainment options, such as movies. I would rather invest $20 into four months of a 12 month PS Plus annual membership than one film at the theatre.
 

No42.05W70.2

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I've been saying this since people were complaining about the PS3's launch price. Yet, no one cared. So here we are with the new status quo.
 

sawatsu

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I remember buying a 2 year subscription from kinguin for ~35 euros hehe. Also bought 15 month for 40€ on prime day.
 
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Only if you pay the maximum Price from Plus. Plus as had great promotions, u could easily pay 45$ instead of 59$, and 40$ instead of 50$.

And if you want you could only buy 2/3 games a year to complement the Plus game offers.

The online should be free, but I have more than satisfied about the Plus game offers and discounts.

Yeah I addressed that in the OP and made it clear I was only talking about the overall cost, not any discounts you may have used

The issue is, if they removed the online from Plus, those 34m subscribers would drop dramatically

Even if you consider Plus a good deal outside of playing online, and a lot of people do, the online is only a part of it because it gets more people to pay up
 

CrazyAndy

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Cloud saves, PS+ games, and additional discounts. It is definitely worth it.
 

Nostradamus

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Honestly, I think it's worth it even only for the discounts you get. Obviously, it's a much better deal if you are actually playing online and buy several games a year but as a whole I'm very satisfied by my PS4.
 

Vankash

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300$ in 6 years.
For Online, Cloud Saves, additional Game Deals
roughly 180 PS4 Games
140 PS3 and 140 PS Vita Games.

Netflix (4K) in 6 years costs ((11,90€ * 12) * 6 )856,80€

I think PSN+ is pretty fair
 

Perfo

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I think I haven't paid for more than 4 months of PS PLUS 'till now and I'm a there from day one. Pretty useless service and I don't really play online anyway.
 

No42.05W70.2

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I see exceptional value in $60 for one year of PS Plus free titles alone (I just downloaded Destiny 2, for example.) And I got Rocket League for free, which I have played nearly daily since it launched.

Being a PS Plus sub has definitely curbed my game buying habbits, but more than that it has curbed my spending on alternative entertainment options, such as movies. I would rather invest $20 into four months of a 12 month PS Plus annual membership than one film at the theatre.
I don't really agree. A lot of the games they put on PS+ are games I already bought, often at sale prices. Bloodbourne, Ratchet and Clank, Knack, Infamous Second Son. These are games I bought because they were already steeply discounted, or they were major first party titles. There is less value in PS+ this gen, than there was on PS3, when you had a backlog of several years of titles to pick from.
 

Sapo84

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Do you feel like PS Plus has been worth the cost over the last 5 years, and how do you feel about spending what will probably be close to $1000 for the PS5 and Plus over it's lifetime?

Since I'm just subbing for cloud saves I'm not really sure I'm really getting enough for what I pay.
Still, it's cheap enough that I don't care since I either get it very cheap online or buy with some promotion.
Last time I renewed it got the Netflix promotion so I payed 60€ - 33€ = 27€.
Add the usual discounts, some other promotions I may use and it never costed me more than 10 -15€/year, which is probably fine since it sometimes includes some games I would have actually bought.
I don't think it will change with PS5.

If you get it at the full price and use it only for online yes, it's stupidly expensive and it will never be worth the cost.
 
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Now deduct the price of free PS+ games you've downloaded over the years.

I'm pretty sure if I had £300 in PSN credit I could make that go further on games I want to play during PSN sales than I can get from waiting on 'free' games to hit the service

But that said, a lot of people wouldn't, so it depends on the person. A lot of people get a lot of value from Plus

I just think it's interesting to see the total cost of buying a system and playing it online, the PS3 price was ridiculous but playing a PS3 online for 5 years was cheaper than playing a PS4 online for 5 years
 

Windrunner

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Only muppets pay RRP for PS+, it's always cheaper on cdkeys.com and it's around half price during BF promotions.

I more than get my money's worth with the digital discounts and the monthly games.
 

Salty Rice

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PS+ gave me sales and more important games that are worth thousands of dollars and saved me personally a couple of hundreds because some of them i would have bought one day.

Also it gives me the chance to play games i maybe never would have bought and ended up liking a lot.

Im glad PS+ exists.
 

Mechaplum

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No idea what it was like back in the PS3 days but I've been really happy with my sub. It's like a coffee every month and I get games, discounts I usually take advantage of and online play. Hell it's the reason I only bought one full priced game this entire year and only two physical. Felt a lot closer to how I manage my steam library compared to nintendo games which are dear, but holds their value.
 

cw_sasuke

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Thats like 30 years of Nintendo online....lol.

If you are invested in the PS4 those 700 bucks isnt that much considering what you are getting.
People who dont care for online MP are on board jsut for sales and free games...even then its worth it.
 

Buddy

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I paid full price only for the first year PS plus. After that I always bought it on sales or off eBay. I would say I pay yearly ~35 euro for PS plus and with the monthly free games and digital discounts it was worth it.

But I will only stay subscribed to the service if the ps5 is 100% backwards compatible with my ps4 library. If for some reason Sony decides against backwards compatibility I will become a PC gamer.
 

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I'm pretty sure if I had £300 in PSN credit I could make that go further on games I want to play during PSN sales than I can get from waiting on 'free' games to hit the service
Fair enough.

In my case I got more value from the games I played through plus. Subscription almost costs the price of a single AAA release but you get 2 monthly free games some of which are great titles.

Downside is that if you buy a lot of games chances are PS+ offerings are redundant and mostly games you've already played.
 

EvilBoris

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Don't forget the cost of your interenet connection montly

And the electricity
also your rent/mortgate and of course your subsistance.

If you've suffered any medical conditions during the last 5 years, you might want to factory in an associated costs for still being alive to play your PS4.
 
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Fair enough.

In my case I got more value from the games I played through plus. Subscription almost costs the price of a single AAA release but you get 2 monthly free games some of which are great titles.

Downside is that if you buy a lot of games chances are PS+ offerings are redundant and mostly games you've already played.

Yeah, and you might have the same 20 games as me, but when your sub ends you lose those games, I might have paid up front for mine and spent a little more overall, but I can play those for as long as I have a working PS4, whereas you need to pay that sub forever at lose those games at some point

Which again isn't even that bad, as a lot of people are "one and done" and then move on, so it depends on what kind of consumer you are
 
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bane833

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If you buy a lot of digital games it's worth it for the additional discounts alone.
 

Cokie Bear

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$120 a year or whatever really isn't that much. Also this line

That comes to $319.94 spent on PS Plus over 5 years, which could also net you 5 AAA games at $60 a pop and still leave you with enough change for some DLC
just makes AAA games sound like terrible value. Like wow, 5 whole games over 5 years.