DOOM: The Fake Outrage

Hobbesian Thudercat said:

Yeah, dude. That's the strategy. That booming Nazi/Alt-Right population is a consumer market that is just ripe for the picking and totally worth having the majority market shun them completely for some "stick it to the libs" jokes.

After Wolfenstein's failure, Bethesda looked at the data and said: "Hmm... our anti-Nazi/Alt-Right propaganda video game didn't sell, despite the fact that it was riding on the coattails of some of the highest anti-Nazi sentiments seen on Earth since WWII. What would be the most reasonable reason it failed? Could it have been the fact that it was a "$60 12 hour single player only linear game in the year of our lord 2017"?

"No..."

"Could it be the fact that it released in a competitive fall space with bad word of mouth?"

"Nah. That wouldn't make any sense. WE MOCKED AND KILLED NAZIS. That should have generated the most milk and honey this side of Eden."

*snaps fingers*

"I get it. There weren't enough anti-SJW jokes. That's surely it!

"One small step for logic... one GIANT LEAP for Bethesda Software!"

Give me a fucking break.

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I love this post. So much.

And I love the fact that the "dog whistling" is a quick throwaway joke in the bakground about demons.

I found that joke really fun, and in exact line with the humor of Doom 2016.

Edit: I mean UAC is the same company that has voiceovers telling you that "Demonic Invasion at Unsafe Level" aswell as stattracking for Demonic Invasions.

Hell, after a while some messages ask you to voluntarily give up your soul to the demons to aid the project.

It makes so much sense they would have a message like that.

Winter47th said:

I still don't get how some individuals can get triggered and misinterpret everything out of context. There was nothing in the gameplay being offensive.

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Why the hell was this user warned for this post? There was nothing inflammatory about it at all. The heavy-handed moderation this site does NOT make it friendly place for everyone, it only serves to have a chilling effect on discussion.

The fact that the fake outrage shit ("lulz SJWs OWNED in this video) shows up constantly in my recommendations just because I watch a few gaming videos is some bullshit and grants a strong voice to a vocal minority. Fuck YouTube.

Jazzkokehead said:

Why the hell was this user warned for this post? There was nothing inflammatory about it at all. The heavy-handed moderation this site does NOT make it friendly place for everyone, it only serves to have a chilling effect on discussion.

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Because (a) they jumped to using "triggered" as a placeholder for "bringing up issues that might be offensive" which is disingenuous terminology - hence inappropriate language (b) the point they bring up is directly addressed by the video in the OP, they aren't even participating in the discussion the thread is about. What chilling effect is there?

Serif said:

The fact that the fake outrage shit ("lulz SJWs OWNED in this video) shows up constantly in my recommendations just because I watch a few gaming videos is some bullshit and grants a strong voice to a vocal minority. Fuck YouTube.

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Get the video blocker extension.

It allows you to block any channel in two clicks. Their videos won't show up on the front page, recommendations, search results or anywhere else.

There are so many videos about 'triggered' SJW that it is pretty shocking. I don't click on them but they get recommend to me all the time and it just blows my mind how many there are and how many views the get. Makes me wonder how many people actually believe the story about SJW's that they are peddling and how many are just in it for the easy clicks.

Kenji said:

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This dude is completely misrepresenting people who own and display Yoshi bobbleheads.

Serif said:

Because (a) they jumped to using "triggered" as a placeholder for "bringing up issues that might be offensive" which is disingenuous terminology - hence inappropriate language (b) the point they bring up is directly addressed by the video in the OP, they aren't even participating in the discussion the thread is about. What chilling effect is there?

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Here is me feeling a bit unhappy at that warning. I get it how certain groups of people use specific words as call signs for being disingenuous, or coding to people of similar persuasions (like the word "thug" for example), but reading that user's post - gosh it reads as a harmless commentary. The user also did not assign that verb to a definite group, rather "some individuals".

Doom (2016) strangely carried a rather progressive subtext for the brutal quick-paced straight forward shooter that it was. Mainly it could be read as a pro-environment game.

The reaction to this new trailer leads me to think quite a few people have been severely annoyed by the 1st game's story. Not that it's a surprise when you consider how most of the planet just doesn't care for climate change issues, politically speaking.

Serif said:

Because (a) they jumped to using "triggered" as a placeholder for "bringing up issues that might be offensive" which is disingenuous terminology - hence inappropriate language (b) the point they bring up is directly addressed by the video in the OP, they aren't even participating in the discussion the thread is about. What chilling effect is there?

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Okay, fair enough, I get that. But not every misguided or misworded comment deserves a warning. Giving someone a warning for making an offhand - and maybe poorly informed - comment is exactly how you having a chilling effect on discussion. I didn't detect any ill intent in that post, and context is everything. So unless they've posted a lot of questionable stuff in the past, there's no reason to assume the worst about them. I end up feeling like I'm walking eggshells when I enter some threads.

We need to change the narrative over who's getting offended. It's been clear from the start that the right is very up in arms about adding diversity in games to the point of trying to censor anyone who speaks out through threats.

However, they're getting away with calling us the easily offended censors and we need to do more to reverse this.

I took some time to dive down the rabbit hole of some of these channels to see what all the rage was about. What exactly are these arguments against these "SJWs" (and who/what is an "SJW"). Sargon, Quartering, TJ Kirk, etc.

These fucks are 200% more guilty of what they accuse those "SJWs" of doing. Agenda to control the narrative. These people are feigning outrage about these topics more than the "SJW" types are. It's fascinating actually. The best recent example was the low amount of BFV preorders. Some of these dumbshits went straight to YouTube to scream that they've "won" and that "their efforts shame PC culture made BF5 fail."

All of this disingenuously omitting literally ANYTHING ELSE as a reason why the Preorder sales are down. Literally THE main things that caused it to stumble.

-Garbage marketing
-Sandwiched between COD and Fecking Red Dead
-Garbage marketing

These pieces of shit wanna be more like those SJW types than the SJW types wanna be like the SJW types LOL.

Ironically, I didnt see any outrage about DOOM, until this video lmao. I thought the jokes were funny. But then again I'm of the opinion that nothing should be off the table in regards to jokes and satire, even at somebody else's expense, as long as everyone is paying that expense

C'mon now, we just got DOOM back 2 years ago after a long hiatus. It's sad to see one of the great defining franchises in this industry now mucked up with social media politics when it has nothing to do with politics.

legacyzero said:

These fucks are 200% more guilty of what they accuse those "SJWs" of doing. Agenda to control the narrative. These people are feigning outrage about these topics more than the "SJW" types are.

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They really are. And it works on the stupid people. Was talking to a guy on Discord who tried very very badly to convince me that "crazy radfems" (he didn't use SJWs, but he sure used "crazy radfems" a lot...) were this widespread epidemic, and when I asked for evidence, he said "it's all over youtube". And then he sent me links to like, HughMongus and shit like that... I couldn't facepalm hard enough. This is the kind of moron who sees all these anti-SJW videos on youtube and is now convinced that yes, there is a SJW epidemic taking up pitchforks over everything, when the reality is... yeah. Thanks, Sargon. /s

Don Fluffles said:

We need to change the narrative over who's getting offended. It's been clear from the start that the right is very up in arms about adding diversity in games to the point of trying to censor anyone who speaks out through threats.

However, they're getting away with calling us the easily offended censors and we need to do more to reverse this.

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I've said it before elsewhere; ridiculous Kotaku articles and 80 page threads re CDPR tweets calling for people to be fired, including posting real names paints an easy target. Call out over the top reactions and attempts of riling faux outrage to break the cycle of being clumped into the "SJW" generalisation.

Shmunter said:

I've said it before elsewhere; ridiculous Kotaku articles and 80 page threads re CDPR tweets calling for people to be fired, including posting real names paints an easy target. Call out over the top reactions and attempts of riling faux outrage to break the cycle of being clumped into the "SJW" generalisation.

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You have a point and that is a good step. We need to acknowledge how angry they feel and provide them better ways to vent their frustration to keep everyone chill.

Morrigan said:

They really are. And it works on the stupid people. Was talking to a guy on Discord who tried very very badly to convince me that "crazy radfems" (he didn't use SJWs, but he sure used "crazy radfems" a lot...) were this widespread epidemic, and when I asked for evidence, he said "it's all over youtube". And then he sent me links to like, HughMongus and shit like that... I couldn't facepalm hard enough. This is the kind of moron who sees all these anti-SJW videos on youtube and is now convinced that yes, there is a SJW epidemic taking up pitchforks over everything, when the reality is... yeah. Thanks, Sargon. /s

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Most ironically, what most of these dickhats are claiming ("we just wanna have debate! Let's talk about these things! Isn't hat the best place to be?! In the middle?"). LMAO, they're not here for that. They don't want good faith discussion. That doesn't get them clicks or follows by the idiot vocal minority of hateful morons, Incels, and Alt-right kekistan dumbfucks.

And it's a shame. I'm a Youtube creator myself and sometimes have to face strange demonetization for mundane shit, because of dumbasses like them. When really, their channels shouldn't exist

Remember said:

C'mon now, we just got DOOM back 2 years ago after a long hiatus. It's sad to see one of the great defining franchises in this industry now mucked up with social media politics when it has nothing to do with politics.

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OG Doom was already intentionally controversial back in the day due to its satanic themes and extreme violence. This is similar but for a new generation.

SpookySkeleton said:

OG Doom was already intentionally controversial back in the day due to its satanic themes and extreme violence. This is similar but for a new generation.

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That kind of controversy was understandable because it is based on content shown throughout the actual game and thus made parents worried, but this feels different rather than similar because it is based on false claims on the game itself. Unless there is a scene in the game where Doomguy suddenly steps onto a podium and starts running for president, I don't see the correlation. There are other games out there that should be catching flack for politcal reasons, but Doom isn't one of them.

Remember said:

That kind of controversy was understandable because it is based on content shown throughout the actual game and thus made parents worried, but this feels different rather than similar because it is based on false claims on the game itself. Unless there is a scene in the game where Doomguy suddenly steps onto a podium and starts running for president, I don't see the correlation. There are other games out there that should be catching flack for politcal reasons, but Doom isn't one of them.

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You don't have to be obvious like that scene you proposed to make a point, but as threads like these and the "controversy" (lol) show these types of arguments never go anywhere since there's no definite proof and there won't be either. Some people here have mentioned it's just corporate satire going off Doom 2016's, I think it could be extending the middle finger at minorities both because the industry is aware a sizeable portion of their userbase is human garbage they can profit off and there's also no shortage of pieces of shit inside the industry whether AAA or indie development. At the end of the day the only ones who win are Zenimax!Bethesda and whoever makes monetized videos about it (or has a patreon).

I think like Shaun said in the video even if it was intended to be read one way the fact that you have so many blatantly racist anti-immigrant folks celebrating it means it's kind of weak satire, at least how it's presented in the trailer.

That Doom trailer is gold <3

Holy shit at all those videos quoting the exact same tweet. Good lord.

Robin said:

My tweet was one of the couple that Sargon and others decided to spotlight. My twitter account was targeted by Gamergate losers for a couple of days. I still get a few replies on it every day. I still think the two jokes were in poor taste. I still see a distinction between the anti-corporate jokes in the first game and the jokes in the trailer, and I'm waiting to see what the final game actually looks like. I'm still looking forward to Doom Eternal.

It's been a frustrating experience but I'm not going to be humiliated or embarrassed. It was a hot take I wrote while watching the conference, it was a bit hyperbolic but the inverse reaction from the right kind of plays my point up, if you ask me. I love Shaun a lot and I'm interested to see his take on this (about 5 minutes into the video currently but just wanted to poke my head in first as this affected me a great deal).

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I feel like this might be a lesson as to why we need less hyperbole in our reactions though. Not specifically because Alt Right trolls or anything, but because it's so easy to miscommunicate and misconstrue what we really feel when exaggerating or making hyperbolic statements. Twitter seems to be a really toxic shit show when it comes to encouraging people to say sensationalized over the top things.

Social media culture is unhealthy and I think our society might be worse for it.

I haven't ever been a part of Twitter. Every other online community almost but not Twitter. I feel as if I have missed nothing.
NOTHING AT ALL.
It seems completely and utterly pointless/negative. Has any good EVER come from Twitter?

TylersProphecy said:

I haven't ever been a part of Twitter. Every other online community almost but not Twitter. I feel as if I have missed nothing.
NOTHING AT ALL.
It seems completely and utterly pointless/negative. Has any good EVER come from Twitter?

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artists post good drawings

TylersProphecy said:

I haven't ever been a part of Twitter. Every other online community almost but not Twitter. I feel as if I have missed nothing.
NOTHING AT ALL.
It seems completely and utterly pointless/negative. Has any good EVER come from Twitter?

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I'm not really sure what the basis of this complaint is? Some people voiced their concerns about the trailer on Twitter and got a mob sent their way via off-site "anti-SJW" propaganda.

caliph95 said:

artists post good drawings

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Lol, fair enough. I go to Instagram for that but still, fair.

Nimby said:

I'm not really sure what the basis of this complaint is? Some people voiced their concerns about the trailer on Twitter and got a mob sent their way via off-site "anti-SJW" propaganda.

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Twitter is and always has been a platform that can be manipulated by groups like that because almost a majority of it is negativity. Just a bunch of shit talk. Like I asked before, has anything good ever come of it (twitter)? As is, it just seems like a way to get stupid people riled up, sometimes, in this case, over shit that isn't even real.

TylersProphecy said:

Has any good EVER come from Twitter?

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KazHiraiCEO

This honestly reminds me of all the "Buttgate" buffoonery before Overwatch was released. A single poster in Blizzard's forum mentioned how Tracer doing a sexy pose seemed OOC for her, he got dog-piled on by other posters for even bringing it up, the devs stepped in and mentioned the original poster did bring in a legitimate point and like clockwork BOOM all the "SJWs are whining about butts and changing Overwatch!" stuff emerged.

TheModestGun said:

I feel like this might be a lesson as to why we need less hyperbole in our reactions though. Not specifically because Alt Right trolls or anything, but because it's so easy to miscommunicate and misconstrue what we really feel when exaggerating or making hyperbolic statements. Twitter seems to be a really toxic shit show when it comes to encouraging people to say sensationalized over the top things.

Social media culture is unhealthy and I think our society might be worse for it.

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By pointing the blame at the targets of harassment, you are playing into "Anti-SJW" youtube's hand. I didn't say anything inappropriate, and neither did anyone else unwillingly dragged into this by the funnyjunk / OneAngryGamer articles. Sargon is a literal white supremacist (not hyperbole) who has peddled conspiracy theories about the death of Heather Hyer (the women murdered during the Unite the Right rally) which is really only the tip of the iceberg when it comes to this guy and the kind of content he makes a living off. He and the rest of GG are the problem, not hyperbole on social media.

In short, we're not going to get anywhere by muting ourselves, we win with videos like Shaun's spotlighting their bullshit behavior.

Richter1887 said:

It was honestly crazy seeing people like Sargon calling Doom an alt right game and that that's the reason people are liking it compared to BF5.

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God I'm so glad I unsubscribed from that moron. There was a time I fell for his manufactured bullshit and I hope others wake up and realise they've been played like a fiddle.

crimsonECHIDNA said:

This honestly reminds me of all the "Buttgate" buffoonery before Overwatch was released. A single poster in Blizzard's forum mentioned how Tracer doing a sexy pose seemed OOC for her, he got dog-piled on by other posters for even bringing it up, the devs stepped in and mentioned the original poster did bring in a legitimate point and like clockwork BOOM all the "SJWs are whining about butts and changing Overwatch!" stuff emerged.

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Then blizzard changed the pose that still showed her ass and people were like "Blizzard pwn sjws" even though the guy would like the new pose and the butt wasn't even the issue

TylersProphecy said:

Twitter is and always has been a platform that can be manipulated by groups like that because almost a majority of it is negativity. Just a bunch of shit talk. Like I asked before, has anything good ever come of it (twitter)? As is, it just seems like a way to get stupid people riled up, sometimes, in this case, over shit that isn't even real.

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In the grand scheme of things, I can see where you're coming from. But should the progressive Twitter community just keep quiet about it? No matter how you slice it the alt-right wins here.

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Twitter is and always has been a platform that can be manipulated by groups like that because almost a majority of it is negativity. Just a bunch of shit talk. Like I asked before, has anything good ever come of it (twitter)? As is, it just seems like a way to get stupid people riled up, sometimes, in this case, over shit that isn't even real.

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If it's not Twitter it'll just be somewhere else. That's how they operate. They screencap Era too and any other place with outspoken people to fuel their BS. The actual platform doesn't matter, they just need to be able to convince their audience that angry feminists are coming for their games

Remember said:

That kind of controversy was understandable because it is based on content shown throughout the actual game and thus made parents worried, but this feels different rather than similar because it is based on false claims on the game itself. Unless there is a scene in the game where Doomguy suddenly steps onto a podium and starts running for president, I don't see the correlation. There are other games out there that should be catching flack for politcal reasons, but Doom isn't one of them.

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I will say that doom has a anti-corporate message and by extension could also have a anti-capitalist message

foxuzamaki said:

I will say that doom has a anti-corporate message and by extension could also have a anti-capitalist message

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Which part of Doom does your comment pertain to? Beating Hell's demons to death or shooting them to death?

Morrigan said:

They really are. And it works on the stupid people. Was talking to a guy on Discord who tried very very badly to convince me that "crazy radfems" (he didn't use SJWs, but he sure used "crazy radfems" a lot...) were this widespread epidemic, and when I asked for evidence, he said "it's all over youtube". And then he sent me links to like, HughMongus and shit like that... I couldn't facepalm hard enough. This is the kind of moron who sees all these anti-SJW videos on youtube and is now convinced that yes, there is a SJW epidemic taking up pitchforks over everything, when the reality is... yeah. Thanks, Sargon. /s

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Yup. It's an industry of evil masterminds hiring manipulative professional assholes to con dead-end toxically masculine idiots to rage-hate 24/7 if they weren't already.

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/articl...breitbart-and-milo-smuggled-white-nationalism

Their entire schtick is to destroy nuance, concession, comraderie and hijack any empassioned criticism for varying reasons depending on their rank. The two-way panopticon of social media makes it easy to find and rally against those like Robin, or well, like anyone really.

Remember said:

Which part of Doom does your comment pertain to? Beating Hell's demons to death or shooting them to death?

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Probably the part about a corporation monetizing Hell Energy and effectively ruining the entire world

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Probably the part about a corporation monetizing Hell Energy and effectively ruining the entire world

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The fake corporation run by a person who's name alludes to Satan(Samuel Hayden)? Did people have these same issues with the plot of DmC or Castlevania: Lords of Shadow 1/2? What about the plot of Final Fight? Are they an exception due to some circumstance?

I honestly think the real issue at hand is the year in which this game is coming out, not the content within it. The sooner everyone as a whole realizes this, the better off we will be. Instead, we are looking like reaching conspiracy theorists on both sides because we need an excuse to argue about politics more.

Robin said:

By pointing the blame at the targets of harassment, you are playing into "Anti-SJW" youtube's hand. I didn't say anything inappropriate, and neither did anyone else unwillingly dragged into this by the funnyjunk / OneAngryGamer articles. Sargon is a literal white supremacist (not hyperbole) who has peddled conspiracy theories about the death of Heather Hyer (the women murdered during the Unite the Right rally) which is really only the tip of the iceberg when it comes to this guy and the kind of content he makes a living off. He and the rest of GG are the problem, not hyperbole on social media.

In short, we're not going to get anywhere by muting ourselves, we win with videos like Shaun's spotlighting their bullshit behavior.

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Again, I SPECIFICALLY said unrelated to the Alt Right horse shit. I am talking about the larger picture of how we communicate on the internet and through mediums such as Twitter. I think as a form of communication we are failing in the way many use Twitter. Not because your point or any point someone is making is invalid, but because hyperbole is a form of escalation that just creates more problems than anything. Sure its punchy and attention grabbing but it rarely reflects reality or inspires reasonable discussion. Discourse and discussion is SO unhealthy in the world of twitter.

So yes, fuck Sargon. but regardless of his involvement or any topic in general I think almost every single one of us could probably benefit from making an effort to express our ideas in a more level headed manner.

I missed the "outrage", I wonder why. To comment on their "mortally challenged" joke itself, to me it was about a demons of all things having to be treated with sensitivity and respect. And it was a play on words. I'm quite sensitive myself when it comes to intellectual disabilities, since I have people in my family who I obviously love dearly and who do have different levels of intellectual disabilities. I don't think the joke was on their expense or had any ill-will towards them. And while this isn't so much on my area anymore, I doubt it was supposed to mock people who are wanting to be treated properly with respect about their gender identity either and the use of right pronouns. As I feel people have been suggesting it was a joke about this too.

And why the fuck we had a Sargon video posted here. Keep that shit out please. GJ mods.

This whole thing flew under my radar

Good lord the section where he plays their videos back to back. And WE'RE supposed to be the hivemind?

Shaun has the best social politics YT channel, I just wish he would have make more videos. Even if every time I'd watch one of his videos my YT feed gets raided by alt-right recommendations for the next two or so weeks.

Damn, I don't know why I received a warning. I used that term to indicate someone's spontaneous onset of a reaction without taking into account the whole picture. It might not sound sincere, but i don't even know what the hell is SJW pro or anti, and I don't care.

I don't agree to the warning, but it doesn't matter, cause I'll probably have it read as sinister intentions anyways. and the moderator judged my intentions in his own interpretation by citing that I "don't participate in the discussion" anyways as a valid excuse that it's okay to warn me cause I should've a) prolonged the discussion and b) a warning is legitimized by the fact that I have a family and 2 jobs and don't periodically log-in to post more.

I saw a thread, posted I don't get why someone would get upset at something that I don't see there, a member pointed I should continue watching the vid, I did and I thanked him and I moved on. Why is the moderator saying I should've posted more to the discussion?

You know what, some of us REALLY just love games for the fact that they appreciate them as a form of art, and we don't have to choose sides or go so deep behind the scenes to see what the developers belong to which "camp".

I've been reading and following you guys since NeoGaf back in 2k4, don't post much, but appreciated the knowledge you had in the industry and the flow of discussions.. but oh my god does posting here feels like I'm walking through a minefield. I will never understand how "triggerred" would ever be considered offensive and synonymous to a certain group. Good god man.. I don't even fucking know if saying NeoGaf would get me another warning or a ban at this point cause if I received a warning for a word that ironically got SOMEONE offended then what else is there I gotta watch out for?

I'm not looking for ramifications or an apology or even getting mocked at, but please, take it easy cause this was extremely inappropriate how even saying a WORD with the best of intentions can get me warned. This place is new, don't slap a target on people's backs until they're proven to be according to your particular standards where "triggered" would make them not cool, just for the sake of new members who think the gaming section is usually gaming-centered.

I'm sorry for the rant, but this was a very negative experience for me cause my intentions were misinterpreted. Best of luck, and sorry for derailing the thread.

So happy this video got made, my god. Watching this whole bullshit thing spiral out of control with almost no pushback whatsoever was fucking torturous, glad to see some bigger voices shouting these cunts down and laying out the truth.

Winter47th said:

this was extremely inappropriate how even saying a WORD with the best of intentions can get me warned.

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I don't know why you are acting so offended at being told you shouldn't do that. The warning was just words from a moderate, given with the best intentions. The moderators are simply telling you something you didn't know. (Like how the world triggered it used by bad people as an insult, and so you shouldn't use it or people might think you were being insulting.) I doubt you would have used triggered as much a decade ago. Because it's a new insult.

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I'm sorry for the rant, but this was a very negative experience for me cause my intentions were misinterpreted.

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Intentions are something to take in to account. But intentions don't matter. Actions do. Here in Canada we had a residential school program where we took children away from their parents as part of the Indian act, taught them in our schools, punish them for speaking their own language, for their own good. To civilization them. The fact that we did it with good intentions doesn't excuse what our government did from 1876-1996.

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Hey man, I am right there with you. Moderation on this forum has felt incredibly inconsistent, which has prevented me from posting more than I do. Even if you message a moderator with concerns or questions about a warning or ban, I've never gotten a response. I'm not sure how one can be expected to know the limits of discussion if no one will clearly define them for you or answer questions when you're unsure.