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OldBritBloke

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Oct 28, 2017
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The 1st game was very atmospheric and relaxing type of game, which i loved alot, i guess this will be more of the same but better, if you don't like these type then it's not for you.

Absolutely. In my case, I'm totally uninterested in the setting, so it's not for me. Unless there's a "Cowboys & Aliens" twist and the protagonist spends most of the game with a jet pack and a laser cannon. I could potentially be down for that.
 

BuBu Jenkins

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Oct 27, 2017
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Pretty much my thoughts on the first RDR, game is overrated as fuck. had to force my way through the campaign and quickly traded it in
 

THIJJ

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Oct 26, 2017
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Sounds like the got the graphical showpiece slow walking segments more than anything.

20 min obviously isn't enough of anything to be representative
 

AkimbOb-omb

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User warned: inflammatory and hostile generalizations
Again, you do know Gamestop employees aren't a hivemind, right? I'm getting a little worried here that you might actually think that to be the case.



What a roundabout way to say that you think they're less intelligent than you and therefore less worthy of an opinion.

Also that's literally a generalisation.

I think everyone here knows that Gamestop employees aren't a hivemind and is also aware of the fact that it is blatant generalisation to assume that they all fucking suck. Around 90% of GS employees I personally met actually did fucking suck in one way or the other (being sexist assholes or blatantly incompetent e.g.) and I'm also aware that this is coincidental evidence. But it is a shit company with shit policies and of course this somehow waters down to the quality of their employees.

TLTR: GS employees are the worst and not trust worthy /end generalisation
 

BurnKnuckle21

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The western genre is not for everyone. Namely people that expect action non-stop like a COD campaign. Serene and 'slow' moments are just as much a part of the genre as shootouts.
 

Simo

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For all the "interesting" quotes, OP left out the key one that adds context:
Of course, it's rarely possible to assess an entire open world game on just a 20-minute demo, and a couple of commenters were keen to contextualise why viewers may have found it boring... and why they might have dozed off a little.

"To give a little context, everyone was exhausted from the week and it's the last thing they showed us," explained another attendee. "I nodded [off] for a minute but the game is beautiful. The world looks so meticulously constructed and the demo was a flawless example of the mechanics, world, and physics the game has to offer. I didn't play the first one and had zero excitement for the game going into it but came out stoked on getting it."

After 3 days of key speakers and power points and then for someone who didn't know how to play the demo and wouldn't get into a firefight and trotting around the wilderness, shit I would of crashed too. lol
 

RocknRola

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Eh, if it's like the first one that's gonna be half the fun for me. Just roaming around the world, enjoying the scenary, the wildlife, the occasional events (random fights, chases, events, etc) and basically just soak it in.

Granted, that's not for everyone. If you're more action oriented, yeah, I can see how a demo of just wondering around would feel boring.
 

Plum

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I think everyone here knows that Gamestop employees aren't a hivemind and is also aware of the fact that it is blatant generalisation to assume that they all fucking suck. Around 90% of GS employees I mpersonally met actually did fucking suck in one way or the other (being sexist assholes or blatantly incompetent e.g.) and I'm also aware that this is coincidental evidence. But it is a shit company with shit policies and of course this somehow waters down to the quality of their emplyees.

TLTR: GS employees are the worst and not trust worthy /end generalisation

Gamestop employs 53,000 people, and you just called all of them "the worst and not trust worthy." All based on a few less-than-stellar experiences that, considering your attitude, I doubt were all as bad as you suggest they were.

God damn this thread is embarrassing.

For all the "interesting" quotes, OP left out the key one that adds context:

After 3 days of key speakers and power points and then for someone who didn't know how to play the demo and wouldn't get into a firefight and trotting around the wilderness, shit I would of crashed too. lol

Yeah, exactly. A boring demo after a tiring day isn't going to go down well with some people. I know myself that I'm less likely to care as much for demos in Sony and Bethesda E3 conferences because they're usually shown at 3-4 in the morning when I'm tired af lol

Though, of course, it must have been some form of issue inherent to Gamestop employees. It's the only explanation!
 

LossAversion

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Oh no! The game has quiet moments and it isn't a shootout every two minutes? Terrible news.
 

LycanXIII

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I think everyone here knows that Gamestop employees aren't a hivemind and is also aware of the fact that it is blatant generalisation to assume that they all fucking suck. Around 90% of GS employees I personally met actually did fucking suck in one way or the other (being sexist assholes or blatantly incompetent e.g.) and I'm also aware that this is coincidental evidence. But it is a shit company with shit policies and of course this somehow waters down to the quality of their employees.

TLTR: GS employees are the worst and not trust worthy /end generalisation
Thanks for calling me the worst and not trustworthy. I'm sure you're the best though.
 

FHIZ

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The whole point of these conferences is to get retail to buy/stock your game. If the game looks meh they aren't as likely to order as many copies. Sure the launch will be big, but so are most launches of AAA games, as they are super front loaded. The whole point of these demos are to wow retailers, not put them to sleep. It's not a good idea to "hide" your game so to speak.
Yes, conventional wisdom would agree with you, but it's Red Dead 2, every game moved out of the way for it, they're buying lots of stock regardless.
 

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Please cut out the blanket inflammatory generalisations of people based on what video game store they work for.
 
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yeah no.....not a few months before release

you just want the game to fail. Its going to have all that stuff, they been working on the game for 8 years, 6 creating brand new A.I
Why would I want the game to fail? Makes zero sense. I wouldn't be in this thread if the game didn't interest me. I love videogames, the more the better. I even said in my post that Im sure the game will be great lol. I hope the game turns out to be fucking legendary. All I'm saying is that people ought to be cautious about the marketing promises made before a big game releases. We have seen time and time again how they can turn out to be false or undercooked when the game releases.
 

MisterMangu

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I think if you're gonna showcase a demo of an upcoming game to increase hype, you should show some of the action and more fast paced moments. Not something that may be considered boring.

Unless what they showed was, to rockstar, action oriented. In which case, no bueno.
 
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Do people realize this was a private event and mostly corporate or store manager levels this isn't 18 year old part timers out of high school talking about this stuff .
 

Simo

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Why would I want the game to fail? Makes zero sense. I wouldn't be in this thread if the game didn't interest me. I love videogames, the more the better. I even said in my post that Im sure the game will be great lol. I hope the game turns out to be fucking legendary. All I'm saying is that people ought to be cautious about the marketing promises made before a big game releases. We have seen time and time again how they can turn out to be false or undercooked when the game releases.

I wouldn't get into it mate. You're arguing with a alt account of someone who has been banned a couple times already and goes off on these wild fanboyism tangents, especially for RDR2.
 

Mercenary09

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Pretty much my thoughts on the first RDR, game is overrated as fuck. had to force my way through the campaign and quickly traded it in
Couldn't agree more with you. I just recently finally played it a few months ago and was bored of it pretty much the whole time. There is no way that would have been my GOTY back in 2010. Repetitive mission design where you constantly rode somewhere while talking to someone, shoot some guys, and then ride all the way back to do another mission. The open world got boring quick too and don't even get me started on how bad the gunplay was especially while on the horse. Hell there was nothing even memorable about it unlike Mass Effect 2 that had tons of great moments. To each their own though.
 

Simo

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I think if you're gonna showcase a demo of an upcoming game to increase hype, you should show some of the action and more fast paced moments. Not something that may be considered boring.

Unless what they showed was, to rockstar, action oriented. In which case, no bueno.

The key note speaker and player didn't seem to know how to play based on those in attendance and for all the chances he had to get into a firefight, he chose to be passive and be more honorable resulting in little action until fleeing the bank robbery.

The point is even a action filled demo wouldn't of helped much because this was a surprise demo at the end of the last day where folks had already been spending 3 days and countless hours just sitting there listening to PR reps hype their shit and showing off demos rather than playing games on the show floor.
 

ElephantShell

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If the demo was truly as described then it seems like it was just not a very smart section to pick for a 20 minute demo. Like walking around the wilderness is cool and part of most open world games but I dunno if it needs to the first half of a 20 minute demo.
 

MisterMangu

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The key note speaker and player didn't seem to know how to play based on those in attendance and for all the chances he had to get into a firefight, he chose to be passive and be more honorable resulting in little action until fleeing the bank robbery.

The point is even a action filled demo wouldn't of helped much because this was a surprise demo at the end of the last day where folks had already been spending 3 days and countless hours just sitting there listening to PR reps hype their shit and showing off demos rather than playing games on the show floor.
Eh, maybe the demo should have forced you to play it out a certain way. To get the proper feel and experience.

I don't believe that's a good excuse in any case. If a game is good, you can be dead tired but still have a good time trying it out for 20 mins. But it's just one perspective, I hope Rockstar releases a trailer or footage of a couple of missions playing out so we can make our own conclusion of it. It's silly that the game is a month out and we've seen so little.
 

Simo

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Eh, maybe the demo should have forced you to play it out a certain way. To get the proper feel and experience.

I don't believe that's a good excuse in any case. If a game is good, you can be dead tired but still have a good time trying it out for 20 mins.

Oh absolutely, but nobody there did try it out nor was it playable. Attendees just had to spend the last 20 minutes of a 3 day key note presentation watching someone play who apparently wasn't very good at it and wouldn't get into any fire fights. lol
 

Cabbagehead

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Yeah because game-stop workers, have the best sense of what makes a game good.
 

Plum

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Eh, maybe the demo should have forced you to play it out a certain way. To get the proper feel and experience.

I don't believe that's a good excuse in any case. If a game is good, you can be dead tired but still have a good time trying it out for 20 mins. But it's just one perspective, I hope Rockstar releases a trailer or footage of a couple of missions playing out so we can make our own conclusion of it. It's silly that the game is a month out and we've seen so little.

You've also got to remember that they were watching instead of playing and the demo itself came after 3 days full of (generally) boring conferences. Without a personality backing it up simply watching a game being played is likely to be met by boredom by people who can't participate themselves. I'd say that holds true for pretty much any game out there. I posted this before but the DOOM E3 2015 demo is a perfect example of how an incredibly non-boring game can be made to look dull by way of a poor presentation:

 

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This is how I felt for RDR originally. Lots of horse riding into nothing and talk/follow with someone. It's why I didn't feel any hype for the latest RDR and when they said they didn't expect RDR to blow up like GTA, it's understandable. You can only do so much with a take on western style game.
 

Aftermath

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I mean I loaded up RDR 1 on the PS4 earlier (psnow) at the very beginning, got on a horse in the night, started a mission, didn't bother to complete it, dicked around on my horse for like 12 mins solid, got off then walked around, got back on horse, couldn't remember what I was doing spent 10-15 more mins leaping over fences, oh then I got to the rabbits part and the Coyotes I think, uhhhhh the first guys you see fighting I shot instead of arrested them, that was the most exciting part I did.

Hmmmm that was about it, if I had shown anyone who had never played it before my footage, I gaurantee not only would the people had gone to sleep, they would have cancelled their pre-orders and said it was the worst game of all time.

We all know how awesome RD1 is, yet I played it today on a lazy Sunday afternoon and I just literally went round in Circles on my horse, kinda to re-get used to controls, kind of just cos I like dicking around in these games not doing much spectacular for a while.

In GTA I have been known to spend 30misn to 1hour driving the cars round the map up n down the same streets even, just to chillax.

What I am saying is it's all in how much you show off and how you play it.
 

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RDR 1 had a super slow start, plus they were watching and not playing. Doesn't bother me at all.
 

daniel77733

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Read about this last night. It comes down to two things. RDR 2 was shown after ten hours of people sitting watching other stuff and it was simply a badly paced demo with a bad player and narrator. The narrator was dull and boring while the person playing didn't run or do any action type stuff until later on. With that all said, it was simply bad timing all around. Game itself is still going to be great but I can understand the other perspective because as someone who rarely fast travels in open world games and likes to walk a lot, if I was playing a game and people were watching me play, they would get bored too because im not doing anything that's action based.
 

DiceHands

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A ton of people had this same complaint when the first RDR came out. Look at some of the forum posts and articles written around that time.

In other words, I wouldnt take this too seriously.
 

okayfrog

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If the demo was truly as described then it seems like it was just not a very smart section to pick for a 20 minute demo. Like walking around the wilderness is cool and part of most open world games but I dunno if it needs to the first half of a 20 minute demo.
Yeah, doesn't sound like Rockstar made the right choice here.
 

Skyebaron

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I just hope theres not so much horse riding. Rockstar games have too much "go from point a to point b" filler
 

Linus815

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"The demo was rather boring."

"GOOD, I LIKE MY GAMES TO BE BORING!!"

C'mon, people. If you don't believe them because of the source then say so. Nobody wants to hold "forward" for 10 straight minutes though.

No one says they like their games boring.
But almost everyone that loves RDR will tell you that the best moments of that game come from riding across the desert, taking in the ambience, the atmosphere. The serenity of it all. It's a western afterall...
so you can trivialize it as "holding forward" all you want, because mechanically it might not be the most complex thing, but there's a lot more happening on screen than that.