DOOM: The Fake Outrage

I find it ironic that they use the term SJWs where they the ones "protecting the sanctity of video games and making noise".
"I feel the need to go online to tell people to stop talking about things they don't like by talking about things I don't like! And I can do it because YOU'RE the SJW!"

Being self aware is not a common trait that these people possess.

My problem with that thread was the people that expressed offense doubling down after the fact that it was pointed out that the anti-immigration/anti-PC stance doesn't make sense in light of the fact that: A: It's Bethesda (all you should really need at this point) and B: The satire is completely in line with what was done with the first game. At that point it just seemed like some people were determined to take offense to the dialogue and I couldn't roll my eyes hard enough. The target is not political correctness but corporate greed. I still see people saying this.

Yeah, the "outrage" was exaggerated, but so were some people's responses to criticisms of their interpretations of the message. Some people just got it plain wrong, and this video seems like an unnecessary, exaggerated response to assuage and massage the egos of those sentiments (a capitalization, really).

No, it's not "bad advertising" on Bethesda's behalf and it's not their faults. The game was being marketed to fans of the first game, clearly.

xChildofhatex said:

Would love to see the meltdown if Doomslayer removes his helmet and we see a PoC.

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It would be hilarious but he's definitely caucasian. Kinda looks like BJ blaskowich. One of those boundary breaking channels managed to get his face up.

Excellent video.

I don't remember overt "outrage" in the era doom gameplay thread but there sure were pages and pages and pages of discussion specifically about that particular joke. Like, more discussion than I thought it really warranted.

The whole thing kinda reminds me of Mick Gordon's hidden music message.

Great video, loved his Cuphead one too

This was always very obvious to anyone with some common sense. Glad to see it made into a video though.

Kenji said:

Portraying the "opposition" as being more angry than they actually are is a favorite tactic among anti-SJWs.

This isn't even remotely what happened, but reality doesn't mean anything to these disingenuous little shits. I'll never get tired of this hilarious image because it perfectly sums up the hypocrisy of anti-SJWs:

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I love that even in their evil exaggerated strawman the sign advertising the supposed snowflake "Safe Space"shows perfectly reasonable things to expect when interacting with other human beings like "Be Respectful", and "Stay on topic"

Hobbesian Thudercat said:

My problem with that thread was the people that expressed offense doubling down after the fact that it was pointed out that the anti-immigration/anti-PC stance doesn't make sense in light of the fact that: A: It's Bethesda (all you should really need at this point) and B: The satire is completely in line with what was done with the first game. At that point it just seemed like some people were determined to take offense to the dialogue and I couldn't roll my eyes hard enough. The target is not political correctness but corporate greed. I still see people saying this.

Yeah, the "outrage" was exaggerated, but so were some people's responses to criticisms of their interpretations of the message. Some people just got it plain wrong, and this video seems like an unnecessary, exaggerated response to assuage and massage the egos of those sentiments (a capitalization, really).

No, it's not "bad advertising" on Bethesda's behalf and it's not their faults. The game was being marketed to fans of the first game, clearly.

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Like Shaun said in the video: he assumes as much but it's making a presumption, and the fact that such a presumption has to exist isn't great. I still honestly can see it going either way. I find it suspect that the only jokes included in the trailer were ones that could be so easily misinterpreted. Anyone unfamiliar to the previous game has absolutely 0 context that those jokes could be aiming at satirizing the co-opting of progressive rhetoric. Call me cynical, but I think it's quite fair to at least complain that this looks suspect, which is all anyone really did, myself included. Shaun explains it perfectly, honestly.

And as far as "it's Bethesda", I don't see your point at all, part of the concern is BECAUSE this would feel like a betrayal so quickly on the heels of Wolfenstein 2 and it's press, which really is the only example I know of in which Bethesda capitalized on progressive politics for it's marketing campaign. So, how exactly does that suddenly translate to infinite good faith? This is large corporation, which anyone lauding DOOM 2016 and it's brand of humor would presumably be suspicious of inherently.

Shaun consistently makes great, great videos and this one is no different. The whole reactionary YouTube (really the internet in general) culture is so dumb it makes my head spin. How desperate do you have to be to willingly listen to these shitlords peddling bad-faith, lazy arguments? Bleugh.

This video is like, legitimately good games journalism.

Robin said:

Like Shaun said in the video: he assumes as much but it's making a presumption, and the fact that such a presumption has to exist isn't great. I still honestly can see it going either way. I find it suspect that the only jokes included in the trailer were ones that could be so easily misinterpreted. Anyone unfamiliar to the previous game has absolutely 0 context that those jokes could be aiming at satirizing the co-opting of progressive rhetoric. Call me cynical, but I think it's quite fair to at least complain that this looks suspect, which is all anyone really did, myself included. Shaun explains it perfectly, honestly.

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The reason why those particular jokes were chosen should be obvious: they're topical, which makes them that much more punchy. And again, my problem isn't with people misinterpreting given the lack of context; it was the doubling down after the fact that potential evidence suggesting otherwise was presented. Kinda like you're doing now. You can say it looks "suspect" out of context, sure, but context has been given time and again and absolutely anything can look "suspect" out of context.

And as far as "it's Bethesda", I don't see your point at all, part of the concern is BECAUSE this would feel like a betrayal so quickly on the heels of Wolfenstein 2 and it's press, which really is the only example I know of in which Bethesda capitalized on progressive politics for it's marketing campaign. So, how exactly does that suddenly translate to infinite good faith? This is large corporation, which anyone lauding DOOM 2016 and it's brand of humor would presumably be suspicious of inherently.

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There's no such thing as "infinite good faith" but if Occam's Razor means anything to you; you would look at:

• The topical nature of the humor
• Wolfenstein 1 & 2
• The entirety of the last freaking Doom game.

A healthy amount of skepticism is always warranted but it's has to be in proper proportion to the events considered to be considered reasonable. If the idea that the dialogue is catering directly to alt-right sentiments given the evidence sounds more reasonable to you than possibly you just getting it plain wrong and potentially succumbing to Confirmation Biases and Backfire Effects then more power to you.

I don't believe there was anything to the level of fire Doom writers, boycott game, etc. But I do recall at least one article trending on N4G for a number of days casting shade on Doom Eternal for taking a political stance unpalatable to PC culture. So there certainly was enough interest to catch the ire of opposing views. And here we are getting worked up over that now. Bullshit feeds bullshit, feeds bullshit....

Holy shit the video was brilliant.

i remember a day or two after the reveal i was looking it up on YouTube to show my boss and was greeted to at least 5 videos of "SJWs Triggered by new Doom"

i could sniff out the bullshit from a mile away

Guy makes a video about people making little things seem much bigger than they actually are and ends it saying how a video game (Doom of all things) could probably be trash because it doesn't have a deep message within it.

Fantastic.

Furisco said:

ends it saying how a video game (Doom of all things) could probably be trash because it doesn't have a deep message within it..

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Time stamp please. Because I either missed that part, or you suck at comprehension.

Furisco said:

Guy makes a video about people making little things seem much bigger than they actually are and ends it saying how a video game (Doom of all things) could probably be trash because it doesn't have a deep message within it.

Fantastic.

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So where's your 15 minute youtube video screaming about this.

All of those youtubers reading off that little tweet was fucking pathetic.

They should be ashamed of themselves. I've seen tactics like this before in some articles/pieces where an author might bring up one individual tweet or reddit post to imply that's a growing sentiment or something, but shamelessly making a whole video about "SJW's getting triggered" over some dialogue in a game trailer from a few individuals is taking it to another level.

I hate that youtubers who try and make jobs off of "reporting on" or giving their takes on gaming news have to resort to this type of shit for clicks. Some of those guys to my knowledge arent associated with the alt right (SJW is just a common term now). It's sad to see people resort to this.

Hopefully this video gets spread around enough that people can second guess the next time their youtuber of choice gives their take on some sort of outrage/petty controversy.

This is an incredibly good video

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Time stamp please. Because I either missed that part, or you suck at comprehension.

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19:50

Pata Hikari said:

So where's your 15 minute youtube video screaming about this.

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Use your big brain and you may find it without my help.

I think Shaun is wrong about Fallout 76. The media I have seen from Bethesda is all very dark humour and in no way makes the post apocalyptic wasteland look nice.

Furisco said:

Guy makes a video about people making little things seem much bigger than they actually are and ends it saying how a video game (Doom of all things) could probably be trash because it doesn't have a deep message within it.

Fantastic.

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That's not what he's saying, he's saying not saying that it's because it doesn't have a deep message, but because the narrative could possibly change. It's just a what-if and a valid question after the in world stuff in the trailer

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I think Shaun is wrong about Fallout 76. The media I have seen from Bethesda is all very dark humour and in no way makes the post apocalyptic wasteland look nice.

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Him and hbomb have real axes to grind with Bethesda's Fallout so it's not really surprising. It is kinda disappointing that it was shoehorned into this video tho

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Right so you don't have listening comprehension.

newmoneytrash said:

That's not what he's saying, he's saying not saying that it's because it doesn't have a deep message, but because the narrative could possibly change. It's just a what-if and a valid question after the in world stuff in the trailer

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His worry about this narrative change is exactly what i'm talking about.
I also love how he finishes his thought trying to sound all cute, "You made me wonder how much worse than it's predecessor the next game is going to be, but you know, the shotgun has a hook on it now and it looks cool."

Good video, i just noticed how he had to spill some nonsense at the end.

I find it weird that are these recent game trailers are getting "controversies"

SpookySkeleton said:

This. The borderline lack of women (if there even are any), storyline about a badass ultra-violent bro shooting things with an aggressive "might makes right" tone these games tend to have appeals to conservative/right wing leaning men.



I would've loved if the aspect of the Doom Marine was randomized, but alas at the beginning of Doom 2016 you see he's a white dude.

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That is silly argument, anyone of any background can enjoy a game like doom. Is red dead redemption 2 a game that can only be enjoyed by white males since Arthur Morgan, the sole protagonist and playable character is a white male?

I can always count on Shaun to make me laugh at the stupid alt-right nazis. God, they're so pathetic.

We have to remember a ton of these channels and people need the fake outrage to sustain their income. They have to keep "owning the libs" so their fanbase keep patreoning and supporting them. Theres a ton of loons that went alt right over these years, but just as with any thing youtuber these days, there are a ton of people in it just to get some money.

Satirizing corporate PC culture..... this made my eyes roll. Hardly witty in this day and age but they aren't trying to be witty. Its obvious the internet hoards will talk about this. So it is marketing strategy for the game and not even original(or funny)....This is a cheap move by iD if I'm honest.

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His worry about this narrative change is exactly what i'm talking about.
I also love how he finishes his thought trying to sound all cute, "You made me wonder how much worse than it's predecessor the next game is going to be, but you know, the shotgun has a hook on it now and it looks cool."

Good video, i just noticed how he had to spill some nonsense at the end.

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Maybe I'm looking much into it, but I think you just got baited like probably those fake outrage channels are gonna be responding this video. That quote "You made me wonder how much worse than it's predecessor the next game is going to be, but you know, the shotgun has a hook on it now and it looks cool." it's basically the same as the tweets that are cited on that site and the videos of the fake outrage: "I don't like those anit sjw jokes but the game looks great". He's baiting them to repeat the same nonsense.

Anti-SJW are starving for content, since these days it's a lot harder to find someone they can misrepresent for clicks.
So they are making a mountain out of a every molehill they can find, even more so than before.

CattleCalypto said:

That is silly argument, anyone of any background can enjoy a game like doom. Is red dead redemption 2 a game that can only be enjoyed by white males since Arthur Morgan, the sole protagonist and playable character is a white male?

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I didn't say those games can only be enjoyed by those groups of people though, but that they have plenty of aspects that heavily appeal to them and draw more of that group to them than they otherwise would. There's nothing controversial about this statement and it doesn't apply only to video games either.

Hobbesian Thudercat said:

My problem with that thread was the people that expressed offense doubling down after the fact that it was pointed out that the anti-immigration/anti-PC stance doesn't make sense in light of the fact that: A: It's Bethesda (all you should really need at this point) and B: The satire is completely in line with what was done with the first game. At that point it just seemed like some people were determined to take offense to the dialogue and I couldn't roll my eyes hard enough. The target is not political correctness but corporate greed. I still see people saying this.

Yeah, the "outrage" was exaggerated, but so were some people's responses to criticisms of their interpretations of the message. Some people just got it plain wrong, and this video seems like an unnecessary, exaggerated response to assuage and massage the egos of those sentiments (a capitalization, really).

No, it's not "bad advertising" on Bethesda's behalf and it's not their faults. The game was being marketed to fans of the first game, clearly.

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If part of your argument is "but it's a soulless conglomerate" then it's not a good one. Any company regardless of what they are will go with whatever is in vogue to make profit. Ubisoft is an expert at this with their bottom of the barrel attempts at progressivism (Watch Dogs 2, the recent Assassin's Creed titles) while also producing their jingoistic Tom Clancy games that also have that healthy dose of violent xenophobia.
If they see something not working they'll try another and after Wolfenstein's trash fire sales (people didn't want to buy a U$60 12 hour single player only linear game in the year of our lord 2017, shocker) them attempting something else through some light dogwhistling isn't surprising. Just like Wolfenstein 2's advertising tactics it gets people talking.

Shmunter said:

I don't believe there was anything to the level of fire Doom writers, boycott game, etc. But I do recall at least one article trending on N4G for a number of days casting shade on Doom Eternal for taking a political stance unpalatable to PC culture. So there certainly was enough interest to catch the ire of opposing views. And here we are getting worked up over that now. Bullshit feeds bullshit, feeds bullshit....

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It's a never-ending cycle

When you realize that 90% of these alt-right people's time is quite literally sitting around imagining how definitely terrible the "other side" must be right this moment, be that SJWs, left wingers, black people, Democrats, transgender people, immigrants, Muslims, Mexican people, whoever, you'll get this. They invent almost everything they "react" to themselves, but they're too wrapped up in it to even realize it.

Consider how little you actually see them react to a supposed SJW, and how often you would see them say something like "I bet the SJWs hate this!". That's complete fiction, they're reacting to an imaginary person they themselves made up, and they're too stupid to notice. It's a pretty pathetic loop of self-sustained hatred.

The first time I heard it, it was pretty obvious it was joking about corporations coopting progressive/PC language movements to sell products.

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Satirizing corporate PC culture..... this made my eyes roll. Hardly witty in this day and age but they aren't trying to be witty. Its obvious the internet hoards will talk about this. So it is marketing strategy for the game and not even original(or funny)....This is a cheap move by iD if I'm honest.

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It's an easy joke to make, considering DOOM has pretty much always been anti-corporations. Having the multi-global energy conglomerate have PSA's about demons invading Earth and coopting progressive language in the face of extinction seems to fit in the universe.

All this shit reminds me of Blazing Saddles. Most people who watch it have a general understanding that it's a satire of the Western movie genera, making fun of racists and Hollywood in general for white washing the entire history of the US in their movies. But there are always a few idiots who just hear the n-word over and over again and laugh simply because they said the n-word.

If you make "punchy" and topical humor, there will always be people who miss the point. You can't craft jokes to the lowest common denominator.

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When you realize that 90% of these alt-right people's time is quite literally sitting around imagining how definitely terrible the "other side" must be right this moment, be that SJWs, left wingers, black people, Democrats, transgender people, immigrants, Muslims, Mexican people, whoever, you'll get this. They invent almost everything they "react" to themselves, but they're too wrapped up in it to even realize it.

Consider how little you actually see them react to a supposed SJW, and how often you would see them say something like "I bet the SJWs hate this!". That's complete fiction, they're reacting to an imaginary person they themselves made up, and they're too stupid to notice. It's a pretty pathetic loop of self-sustained hatred.

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They literally have the easiest job.

You have a bunch of alt right counter culture kidos who will support anyone who is a horrible person, so all you gotta do is make up a little "outrage" and make some youtube videos, which is ironically literally just about white men getting outraged over nothing, and you make money

Shaun is awesome. His Charlottesville video is one my favourite YT vids.

Great video. Was not aware of the fake outrage BS with D.E. I have to say, YT's algorithm really likes to peddle these "Anti-SJW" videos on people's "Home" screens. I used to be a subscriber to Mr H Williams (one of names mentioned in the OP's video) because of his in depth knowledge of Judge Dredd and Godzilla franchise but suffice it to say, his views on SW TLJ (a flawed movie courtesy of poor military tactics) veered well into the realm of non sardonically using "SJW" made me unsubscribe.

I love when he shows the channels who made the content and there are tons with less than 1k views. Imagine being so desperate to become a Sargon-esque figure that you just recycle content.

The sad part is that this reminds me of the DOA Xtreme controversy, and how PlayAsia used it to sell copies. Like Shaun said, the weirdest attempt to "STICK IT TO THE MAN" I've ever seen, people buying it to prove some shady point on THE WOES OF PC CULTURE.

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I love when he shows the channels who made the content and there are tons with less than 1k views. Imagine being so desperate to become a Sargon-esque figure that you just recycle content.

The sad part is that this reminds me of the DOA Xtreme controversy, and how PlayAsia used it to sell copies. Like Shaun said, the weirdest attempt to "STICK IT TO THE MAN" I've ever seen, people buying it to prove some shady point on THE WOES OF PC CULTURE.

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I can already guess the kind of answers I'll get, but at the end of the day things like these are no different from all the posters in the previous board (among others) who simply bought Wolfenstein 2 to stick it it to conservatives/the far right because Bethesda's marketing did a fine job selling them what they wanted to hear/see. Capitalism doesn't care about left or right, both hands are open when it's time to get dat sweet cash.

My outrage was minor but not fake when the reveal thread became about this nonsense.

SpookySkeleton said:

I can already guess the kind of answers I'll get, but at the end of the day things like these are no different from all the posters in the previous board (among others) who simply bought Wolfenstein 2 to stick it it to conservatives/the far right because Bethesda's marketing did a fine job selling them what they wanted to hear/see. Capitalism doesn't care about left or right, both hands are open when it's time to get dat sweet cash.

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The difference is that Wolfenstein 2 was already a known brand with high expectations and a loyal fanbase. DOA Xtreme 3 was a niche spinoff Japan-exclusive that could only be bought through importers (i.e. PlayAsia) that people bought EXCLUSIVELY for that anti-PC bullshit.

Wolfenstein also is historically about killing Nazis, it just became more relevant in 2017 when, you know, actual Nazis killed someone in a Nazi rally.

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I didn't say those games can only be enjoyed by those groups of people though, but that they have plenty of aspects that heavily appeal to them and draw more of that group to them than they otherwise would. There's nothing controversial about this statement and it doesn't apply only to video games either.



If part of your argument is "but it's a soulless conglomerate" then it's not a good one. Any company regardless of what they are will go with whatever is in vogue to make profit. Ubisoft is an expert at this with their bottom of the barrel attempts at progressivism (Watch Dogs 2, the recent Assassin's Creed titles) while also producing their jingoistic Tom Clancy games that also have that healthy dose of violent xenophobia.
If they see something not working they'll try another and after Wolfenstein's trash fire sales (people didn't want to buy a U$60 12 hour single player only linear game in the year of our lord 2017, shocker) them attempting something else through some light dogwhistling isn't surprising. Just like Wolfenstein 2's advertising tactics it gets people talking.

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Yeah, dude. That's the strategy. That booming Nazi/Alt-Right population is a consumer market that is just ripe for the picking and totally worth having the majority market shun them completely for some "stick it to the libs" jokes.

After Wolfenstein's failure, Bethesda looked at the data and said: "Hmm... our anti-Nazi/Alt-Right propaganda video game didn't sell, despite the fact that it was riding on the coattails of some of the highest anti-Nazi sentiments seen on Earth since WWII. What would be the most reasonable reason it failed? Could it have been the fact that it was a "$60 12 hour single player only linear game in the year of our lord 2017"?

"No..."

"Could it be the fact that it released in a competitive fall space with bad word of mouth?"

"Nah. That wouldn't make any sense. WE MOCKED AND KILLED NAZIS. That should have generated the most milk and honey this side of Eden."

*snaps fingers*

"I get it. There weren't enough anti-SJW jokes. That's surely it!

"One small step for logic... one GIANT LEAP for Bethesda Software!"

Give me a fucking break.

Hobbesian Thudercat said:

Yeah, dude. That's the strategy. That booming Nazi/Alt-Right population is a consumer market that is just ripe for the picking and totally worth having the majority market shun them completely for some "stick it to the libs" jokes.

After Wolfenstein's failure, Bethesda looked at the data and said: "Hmm... our anti-Nazi/Alt-Right propaganda video game didn't sell, despite the fact that it was riding on the coattails of some of the highest anti-Nazi sentiments seen on Earth since WWII. What would be the most reasonable reason it failed? Could it have been the fact that it was a "$60 12 hour single player only linear game in the year of our lord 2017"?

"No..."

"Could it be the fact that it released in a competitive fall space with bad word of mouth?"

"Nah. That wouldn't make any sense. WE MOCKED AND KILLED NAZIS. That should have generated the most milk and honey this side of Eden."

*snaps fingers*

"I get it. There weren't enough anti-SJW jokes. That's surely it!

"One small step for logic... one GIANT LEAP for Bethesda Software!"

Give me a fucking break.

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You're taking people's posts and blowing them up into something they aren't by making ridiculous leaps and assumptions. Sort of like the what the video is admonishing.

Kenji said:

I'll never get tired of this hilarious image because it perfectly sums up the hypocrisy of anti-SJWs:

This isn't outrage or being hysterical. Nor is boycotting Battlefield V. Nor is signing a petition telling Nintendo to cancel Metroid: Federation Force. Nor is signing one telling Gamespot to fire Carolyn Petit because she... sniffle sniffle... spent one paragraph talking about the sexism in GTA V!

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It continues to disappoint how many youtubers that I otherwise like still gladly associate with this shitheel

Robin said:

You're taking people's posts and blowing them up into something they aren't by making ridiculous leaps and assumptions. Sort of like the what the video is admonishing.

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No, I'm mocking that post using hyperbole and sarcasm to highlight how ridiculous the point actually is. Another person willing to ignore the more reasonable conclusion given what we know, to entertain what amounts to a conspiracy theory.

Doom 2016 is one of my top 5 games of all time. I've been gaming since the C64 day's, it's also one of my favorite hobbies.

I hate what these assholes are doing to my favorite hobby.

Hobbesian Thudercat said:

Yeah, dude. That's the strategy. That booming Nazi/Alt-Right population is a consumer market that is just ripe for the picking and totally worth having the majority market shun them completely for some "stick it to the libs" jokes.

After Wolfenstein's failure, Bethesda looked at the data and said: "Hmm... our anti-Nazi/Alt-Right propaganda video game didn't sell, despite the fact that it was riding on the coattails of some of the highest anti-Nazi sentiments seen on Earth since WWII. What would be the most reasonable reason it failed? Could it have been the fact that it was a "$60 12 hour single player only linear game in the year of our lord 2017"?

"No..."

"Could it be the fact that it released in a competitive fall space with bad word of mouth?"

"Nah. That wouldn't make any sense. WE MOCKED AND KILLED NAZIS. That should have generated the most milk and honey this side of Eden."

*snaps fingers*

"I get it. There weren't enough anti-SJW jokes. That's surely it!

"One small step for logic... one GIANT LEAP for Bethesda Software!"

Give me a fucking break.

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Nice meltdown.