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Oct 27, 2017
212
ugh. Mr. Ellis, I just don't understand why you would issue such a trash apology.

I hope he apologized to her. I still don't think he did it on purpose (I'm pretty sure he just misjudged his hand position for the side hug initially, then corrected it quickly), but the "sorry if you were offended" approach makes it look even worse. Like he's too proud to say what he needs to say (unsurprising, as he probably has few people in his world that check him on mistakes).

He fucked up on the grip and he owed her a big apology for making her feel at BEST clearly very embarrassed on a world stage. But I think it's pretty absurd to assume he tried to grope or otherwise assault her in front of the world. It just doesn't make any sense, folks. Again, Occam's Razor and all that.

I think a lot of you are well off base here and are getting yourselves worked up by staring at looping gifs and the worst of the frozen frames. Awkward and unfortunate moment demanding profuse apology directly to Ariana, but making it more than that feels both unwarranted and unfounded (pending commentary directly from her).

When I first saw the incident I was like, how on earth could he think that he'd get away with doing it at such a public event. Then I see responses like this and I'm like, yep that's why. Always gonna be people downplaying sexual assault.
 
Oct 31, 2017
5,632
ugh. Mr. Ellis, I just don't understand why you would issue such a trash apology.

I hope he apologized to her. I still don't think he did it on purpose (I'm pretty sure he just misjudged his hand position for the side hug initially, then corrected it quickly), but the "sorry if you were offended" approach makes it look even worse. Like he's too proud to say what he needs to say (unsurprising, as he probably has few people in his world that check him on mistakes).

He fucked up on the grip and he owed her a big apology for making her feel at BEST clearly very embarrassed on a world stage. But I think it's pretty absurd to assume he tried to grope or otherwise assault her in front of the world. It just doesn't make any sense, folks. Again, Occam's Razor and all that.

I think a lot of you are well off base here and are getting yourselves worked up by staring at looping gifs and the worst of the frozen frames. Awkward and unfortunate moment demanding profuse apology directly to Ariana, but making it more than that feels both unwarranted and unfounded (pending commentary directly from her).

He misjudged his hand right into her titty a couple of times and then adjusted his grip and his fingers for a better feel. I don't know what the fuck you going on about.
 

NO!R

Banned
Oct 26, 2017
1,742
Stop with the apologism when that is CLEARLY, by all accounts, not what happened. The act was deliberate and disgusting. Why are you so quick to defend the clear transgression here by the pastor? Would it be news to say churches have issues with sexually abusive clergy, and this is very likely very public manifestation of that?

Can't tell if trolling or not. My sarcastic outrage detector is off.

But without seeing the video it does seem like it could be a mistake. You don't grope people outright in this political climate, with a worldwide audience no less.

Height differences will make for some unfortunate faux pas or another. I once did that with my ex for a picture where I picked her up, but she was like 1.5' smaller than me. When I saw the picture I realized a couple of my fingers were crushing one of her breasts and she was hanging awkwardly off my neck to relieve the pressure .

Again, not being as smooth as you think and being much bigger has a tendency to result in awkward ass situations.
 

Einchy

Member
Oct 25, 2017
42,659
But without seeing the video it does seem like it could be a mistake.
Please, please, explain to me how you think you can weigh on this without actually seeing the video? Maybe take 2 seconds out of your day and watch the video so you don't defend a guy who was very clearly copping a feel multiple times.
 

finalflame

Product Management
Banned
Oct 27, 2017
8,538
Can't tell if trolling or not. My sarcastic outrage detector is off.

But without seeing the video it does seem like it could be a mistake. You don't grope people outright in this political climate, with a worldwide audience no less.

Height differences will make for some unfortunate faux pas or another. I once did that with my ex for a picture where I picked her up, but she was like 1.5' smaller than me. When I saw the picture I realized a couple of my fingers were crushing one of her breasts and she was hanging awkwardly off my neck to relieve the pressure .

Again, not being as smooth as you think and being much bigger has a tendency to result in awkward ass situations.
Nah, no trolling. I think this act was pretty deliberate and easy to see. People feel they have a lot of power and get high off it, enough to think they can get away with something like this or it'll go by unnoticed. I think what happened is pretty clear to anyone with eyes.
 

TheKidObi

Member
Oct 27, 2017
969
Umm, looks like he really is sorry about his tweet and it not coming across as sarcasm at first glance. Gonna give him the benefit of the doubt for now and retract my post from earlier about him. For now.
Everyone wanna give their hot takes , he made a shitty ass joke which was no way funny, he apologize yet people still in their feelings. Apparently a lot of people in social media don't believe in second chance calling for people to lose their jobs as if they never did something silly before in their lives. it's ironic how that director from guardians of the galaxy got fired for making a Pedo jokes yet people were calling for him to be signed back by Disney yet this dude made a misjudgment joke and people are calling for him to lose his job over a joke he apologize and clearly understand why he should have never done it.
 

Mahonay

Member
Oct 25, 2017
33,316
Pencils Vania
Can't tell if trolling or not. My sarcastic outrage detector is off.

But without seeing the video it does seem like it could be a mistake. You don't grope people outright in this political climate, with a worldwide audience no less.

Height differences will make for some unfortunate faux pas or another. I once did that with my ex for a picture where I picked her up, but she was like 1.5' smaller than me. When I saw the picture I realized a couple of my fingers were crushing one of her breasts and she was hanging awkwardly off my neck to relieve the pressure .

Again, not being as smooth as you think and being much bigger has a tendency to result in awkward ass situations.
Christ watch the video for fucks sake
 

staedtler

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
1,659
Can't tell if trolling or not. My sarcastic outrage detector is off.

But without seeing the video it does seem like it could be a mistake. You don't grope people outright in this political climate, with a worldwide audience no less.

Height differences will make for some unfortunate faux pas or another. I once did that with my ex for a picture where I picked her up, but she was like 1.5' smaller than me. When I saw the picture I realized a couple of my fingers were crushing one of her breasts and she was hanging awkwardly off my neck to relieve the pressure .

Again, not being as smooth as you think and being much bigger has a tendency to result in awkward ass situations.

"Here's my opinion but I haven't seen the video" Give me a break. How do you people function in life
 
Oct 31, 2017
5,632
Can't tell if trolling or not. My sarcastic outrage detector is off.

But without seeing the video it does seem like it could be a mistake. You don't grope people outright in this political climate, with a worldwide audience no less.

Height differences will make for some unfortunate faux pas or another. I once did that with my ex for a picture where I picked her up, but she was like 1.5' smaller than me. When I saw the picture I realized a couple of my fingers were crushing one of her breasts and she was hanging awkwardly off my neck to relieve the pressure .

Again, not being as smooth as you think and being much bigger has a tendency to result in awkward ass situations.

How hard is it to watch the fucking video? WTF?
 

TheBeardedOne

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
22,189
Derry
He could've misjudged and made a mistake, but it does look awfully suspect. His hand is in a bad position and terribly close to her breast.

It was on the news when I woke up from my nap tonight. An American channel I had on...CW11 or KTLA. They were saying she shouldn't have worn such a dress, and then talking about the presumed sexual assault.
 

Playco Armboy

Banned
Oct 28, 2017
3,406
yeah when I take pictures with my female friends i really just accidentally grab their breast and drum my fingers trying to get a better feel

oh wait, no i don't do that, i'm not BiGBoSSMk23
 
Oct 31, 2017
5,632
He could've misjudged and made a mistake, but it does look awfully suspect. His hand is in a bad position and terribly close to her breast.

It was on the news when I woke up from my nap tonight. An American channel I had on...CW11 or KTLA. They were saying she shouldn't have worn such a dress, and then talking about the presumed sexual assault.

He didn't misjudge a goddamn thing.
 

moondoggerr

Member
Oct 28, 2017
114
I am stunned that people would take several minutes out of their day to comment on this but would not take 20 seconds to actually watch what they are commenting about.
 

Wzrd

Member
Oct 26, 2017
1,085
Portland, Oregon
He could've misjudged and made a mistake, but it does look awfully suspect. His hand is in a bad position and terribly close to her breast.

It was on the news when I woke up from my nap tonight. An American channel I had on...CW11 or KTLA. They were saying she shouldn't have worn such a dress, and then talking about the presumed sexual assault.

You don't press in on someone's breast and then claim it was a mistake. He shouldn't have been so physical with her or anyone for that matter. It's not presumed. He fondled her breast.

No. I'm not trying to defend him at all, nor am I saying that what he did was right either way. There's just no facts to go on.

No facts except for the video where he clearly gropes her and she's clearly visually disturbed.
 

Dreezy

Member
Oct 27, 2017
847
Yeaaa no, by the time you're that age you should know gripping anybody right below the armpit is fuckin weird.
 

snail_maze

Member
Oct 27, 2017
974
The gall to do that in front of a rolling camera to a celebrity.
It must be some sort of normal for him otherwise I can't imagine anyone daring to do that so overtly
 

Majukun

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
4,542
The gall to do that in front of a rolling camera to a celebrity.
It must be some sort of normal for him otherwise I can't imagine anyone daring to do that so overtly
I imagine more like he accidentally ended up there and then he liked what he touched and indulged..it's not impossible to "hug" too deep and end up on the side of a breast with your fingers..but then non-creeps just go a little back..either saying sorry or pretending nothng happened..he stayed there
 

Malcolm9

Member
Oct 27, 2017
3,040
UK
Disgusting, he's literally digging his fingers into her breast....and the rest! She looked very uncomfortable the whole time.
 

HiLife

Avenger
Oct 25, 2017
39,660
Dude clearly copping a feel of the side boob and we still have posters that refuse to acknowledge. Makes you wonder how they interact with ladies in their lives lol.
 
There's definitely boob touching going on there. She's squirming and her face says it all. This kind of stuff flies under the radar all the time because it's not the blatant boob grabbing that people can point at and say ah-HA! Improper touching! I used to wonder if guys even did it consciously because it'd happen so often. You'd wiggle out from under their fingers, or shift them off you and they'd give you a surprised look, like "Oh! Is something wrong?" If you called them on it, you'd get that same wide-eyed confusion that made you think you'd made a mistake or were being presumptuous. Took me till I got into my 30s to be confident enough in my own assessment to tell guys off for touching me. Ariana's not going to make a big deal out of it because she doesn't want to make a fuss (or that kind of publicity) over something that tons of people aren't even going to recognize as sexual assault, like most women.
 
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NateSnacks

Alt-Account
Banned
Apr 16, 2018
595
Assault's not really the word I would use (I walked into this thread expecting the darkest of shit), but what the guy's doing is clearly not great.
Bro this chick just got assaulted at a fucking funeral performance to Aretha Franklin, whom she idolize her career after, and this ugly creepy fucking shit stain blatantly grab her tit.

Now, if this piece of shit did this to a huge star on live tv. At a funeral. Can you imagine, for a few seconds, how much shit this preacher gets away with?

EDIT: Mike Colter didn't say shit wrong. He pointed out that the dudes a creep and in no way condone what he did.
 
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Oct 26, 2017
6,816
There's nothing wrong with playing devil's advocate. That way a counter-argument can be put to the test and you can see how paper-thin it is. It also prepares you if someone brings up that same counter-argument in real life (which will happen), you'll know how to respond.

If I were to guess, I think he was doing it unconsciously. He's probably gotten away with doing that type of thing for so long, it's almost involuntary. That's hardly an excuse though. What bothers me is that she was clearly uncomfortable and snapped him a few looks, yet he kept touching her inappropriately. As a preacher someone with supposed empathy, he should have picked up on that and subtly moved his hand/arm. The only thing that gives me slight pause is that he knew he was on national television with millions of people watching, I don't know if he had full conscious malicious intent because how could he think he could get away with it. But then again, maybe these old school guys think no one will notice or care even when it's in plain sight.
 

burnsy

Banned
May 31, 2018
438
One of the more cringe worthy things I've seen in awhile. The fact he's doing it in such a public way makes me think it's habitual and he even doesn't realize he's doing it.
 

burnsy

Banned
May 31, 2018
438
A friend of mine tried exposing pastor for being a perv. The whole family was not welcome at the church anymore.
 

cognizant

Member
Dec 19, 2017
13,756
I don't believe Mike's excuse of an apology for a second.

Dude saw a headline or gif of Ariana, then tweeted his immediate reaction, only later realising the outage.

I'll post three crying with laughter emojis whenever his career is in the gutter.
 
Oct 26, 2017
8,992
User Banned (2 Weeks): Downplaying sexual assault.
This is what we call sexually assaulted now? No, just no.

Honestly if the camera had not been zoomed in I wouldn't have noticed a thing. It's almost as if the person who noticed this was using a magnifying glass on their screen. That's not to say it was OK what he did though. Definitely seems he was aware of it though, but none of us can be 100% sure about that.

Has she spoken out about it at all?
 

signal

Member
Oct 28, 2017
40,196
This is what we call sexually assaulted now? No, just no.

Honestly if the camera had not been zoomed in I wouldn't have noticed a thing. It's almost as if the person who noticed this was using a magnifying glass on their screen. That's not to say it was OK what he did though. Definitely seems he was aware of it though, but none of us can be 100% sure about that.

Has she spoken out about it at all?

The hell are you talking about. You're not saying what he did is OK but you're saying "no, this isn't what we call sexual assault"? What is it then?

Or are you just saying it isn't sexual assault because you can't be 100% sure he did it on purpose?
 

Real Hero

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
3,329
This is what we call sexually assaulted now? No, just no.

Honestly if the camera had not been zoomed in I wouldn't have noticed a thing. It's almost as if the person who noticed this was using a magnifying glass on their screen. That's not to say it was OK what he did though. Definitely seems he was aware of it though, but none of us can be 100% sure about that.

Has she spoken out about it at all?
err why do think it's wrong what he did then? How would you describe what he did?
 

Conkerkid11

Avenger
Oct 25, 2017
13,957
I was gonna comment about how disgusting the comments on the church's Facebook page were, but I see there's also people like that in here actually defending this guy.

Is it because he's a religious figure, and if he's guilty that harms the credibility of your religion or something? Or is it because of your hatred toward celebrities due to their success? Is it sexism? Or is it a combination of some of the above?