There tonnes of kids now playing games for the first time and their first impression of Sony is that they won't let them play with their friends on other consoles.
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Sony Doesn’t Get To Play God With People’s Accounts, Says Jim Sterling
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There tonnes of kids now playing games for the first time and their first impression of Sony is that they won't let them play with their friends on other consoles.
Oh they aren't but they're still criticized for their online offerings very strongly or, at the very least, seen as a joke in that regard and for good reason. Saying this as a huge Nintendo fan. The ONLY reason why I'm going to pay for it is because it's cheap and because I don't want to pay to play Rocket League elsewhere and continue to enjoy Splatoon 2
No, the user mentioned that not even Nintendo and Apple are doing this, not how Nintendo's and Apple's fanboys aren't as bad as Sony's. You just misread what he wrote. As for not getting the same backlash, I'd love to see another company get even half of the backlash Nintendo got for winning so many GOTY awards or if they had been the ones to have had your Fortnite progression locked to their account, I'm pretty confidant they wouldn't have gotten even half of the defense that Sony's getting right now. Let's not pretend that Nintendo doesn't get bashed constantly for when they mess up
Not just that, but if they allowed you to change your primary account or transfer it over to one of the other platforms, or even create a new one, they could just allow users to re-download all existing purchases for free as a gesture of goodwill instead of forcing people to rebuy them. Epic likely aren't without at least some blame here.
Yeah exactly, it is insane how poorly they are handling this. Again 2014 Sony wouldn't be making this mistake.....amazing how quickly things can change, maybe they somehow just don't understand the numbers of how huge Fortnite is from over there in Japan. No crossplay is already a big tick against them for gamers going into next generation and them not seeing that is unbelievable. So unbelievable that I can now see a world where Sony stupidly thinks they could get away with no backwards compatibility (they can't)
Yeah, the actual quote is generic. The question is absent. Everyone is reacting to editorial content.
Yes, but what surprises me is that no one has ever asked Epic. I look briefly for answers on the web and find nothing than supposition. Crossplay is entirely hanged by Sony. But how the hell could they have any power on the Epic subscriptions system ?
You are delusional if you think "Nintendo gets away" with anything online related and basically every little thing. Man, all Nintendo related threads go to the shitter back at Neogaf and even here. No matter how positive the thread was supposed to be, it turns into something negative very quickly.
Sony gets a lot of flak for the crossplay and account hostage situation, because they keep talking shit.
The market leader always does what ever the hell they like.
Business is business.
Got to keep that gamer rage burning though for the clicks/views...
Business is business.
Got to keep that gamer rage burning though for the clicks/views...
Jim fucking Sterling son is completely right. Thanks for not letting them off easy on this. Crossplay is so good for me and the people I know. Many of us have different systems but we all share a love of games and enjoy playing and creating memories together no matter what system we buy. Nintendo and Xbox have allowed us to do this and the genie is out of the bottle and the conditions are right. I hope Sony evolves on this.
I mean they kinda do, it's the unfortunate side of digital content, we really have fuck all power until laws and consumer rights catch up.
Yeah. Nintendo has never gotten away with anything. Nintendo gets complaints about their online features all the time (deservedly so). Nobody hates Nintendo more than Nintendo fans. There are 3DS vs Switch flame wars. Certain groups of Nintendo fans hating on Labo because it doesn't cater to them. There are even people that say Nintendo is too slow in making games when they have the largest output of first-party titles out of all three platform holders. Nintendo gets away with nothing. Microsoft? Well, we all see what happened to them this generation. I don't understand why these people want Sony to get the preferential treatment. This whole victim mindset is disgusting to see.
I'm really puzzled as to why Sony being a "bussiness" seems to be used as a defense here.
Just because blocking crossplay and/or taking Fornite accounts hostage may be "good" for bussiness doesn't mean Sony is absolved of criticism.
We rail on bussinesses all the time for doing shitty things that benefit them, like if you want a much more extreme case, look at threads about Amazon's shitty ways of saving on money. Obviosuly, fucking over employees is FAR greater of an offense then locking video game accounts, but I fail to see why "it makes Sony more money" is a valid defense.
Like, are there that many people here that are affected by Sony's profits, or are people getting sucked into the old console wars stuff? Even if you're a huge sony fan (might be a strech for me to go that far, but I do like their first party output), I don't see why you'd want to avoid calling out when they screw up either. Don't you want them to be more pro-consumer? To use an example with another platform holder, I'm a Nintendo fan, but I'm not afraid to call them out for their many stupid practices like how they treat voice chat.
Sorry, I don't mean to pick on you in particular, I'm just really having trouble understanding mindsets like this with anything but "its console warrior stuff", which is something I'd hope most of us are above!
He is spot on.
Xbox and Nintendo showing how it should be done.
I mean it is turning into borderline cultism at this point. Sad to see really. Lets just all play games together and have fun in our hobby, because that's all it is at the end of the day..... a hobby!
Xbox and Nintendo showing how it should be done.
I mean it is turning into borderline cultism at this point. Sad to see really. Lets just all play games together and have fun in our hobby, because that's all it is at the end of the day..... a hobby!
Reasons Sony has to not have backwards compatibility
1. resell you games
2. continue to sell ps4s after ps5 is released
3. fucking lazy
Reasons Sony doesn't want crossplay
1. they are the console lead and want your friends to have to buy a Sony console to play with you
any other reason is a lie and a PR nightmare for treating us like we are idiots.
Reasons to have backwards compatibility
1. keep the faith of gamers and don't loose millions and millions of sales at a critical point going into the next generation
2. Not fail in a beyond spectacular manner
Save yourself the literal years of clean up Sony.
1. resell you games
2. continue to sell ps4s after ps5 is released
3. fucking lazy
Reasons Sony doesn't want crossplay
1. they are the console lead and want your friends to have to buy a Sony console to play with you
any other reason is a lie and a PR nightmare for treating us like we are idiots.
Reasons to have backwards compatibility
1. keep the faith of gamers and don't loose millions and millions of sales at a critical point going into the next generation
2. Not fail in a beyond spectacular manner
Save yourself the literal years of clean up Sony.
You have fuck all power if you decide to hand it all over to a single company that controls your (closed down) gaming hardware, your software distribution, and your online access.
I'm not defending Sony or saying what they're doing is right.
But it's naive to think that any market leader will do anything that gives away even the smallest competitive advantage.
The only way to change it is to vote with your wallet.
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Never understood this reasoning for the anti-cross platform stance Sony has.
If Sony and PS4 and PSN is so great and they are the leader, what's there to be afraid of? If they cross platform with competing systems, can't they also scoop up Nintendo and Xbox gamers and go for total annihilation?
I and most do.
Even on PC most just go with Steam, because it's just easier.
Yes, I just pointed out that this is your choice. (Also, Steam isn't vertically integrated with locked down hardware, doesn't enforce DRM, and certainly doesn't enforce anything concerning which other online infrastructures a game might connect to)
I find this whole situation to be kinda hypocritical.
Like everyone is lashing at Sony, the market leader, for not partaking into the crossplay thing, but in reality even the ones that do (Nintendo and Microsoft) only allow that feature for a few games.
Is, I don't know, Fifa 19 crossplay on Switch and Xbox One? Shouldn't that also be adressed? Or is it only relevant when it comes to Fortnite?
Not wanting cross platform makes you an incel? That's interesting...
Well, clearly you never played nor heard of Final Fantasy XI.
More than defending Sony I think most are arguing that cross platorm play in general and in the case of Sony specifically with Xbox and Switch is not nearly as big of a deal as some want to make it.
I know. And by Steam, I just mean even with all the options, a lot just stick with Steam, which is still restrictive, even if far less so than consoles.
Convenience is more important really, it's a shitty attitude sure, but it give the corporations the power of god over any account linked with them.
Though I guess that's changing some, with some big games skipping Steam.
And yet you'd still have all of those benefits even if they allowed cross play.
I don't think you understand his point. PS2 didn't have a platform account management/network system, all the connection management and account stuff was handled on a per-game basis by the developer/publisher. So there wasn't any cross-play to "support" (or get in the way of) on part of the platform holder, it's something a developer might or might not implement.
Cross-play not being a thing is Sony's prerogative but I think where issues occur is when it affects the progression for content to other systems. Fortnite of course is the biggest and most well-known example of this. It's a weird one because from a business perspective blocking progression makes little sense but blocking actual cross-play does. From a business perspective you want 'Jimmy' to tell 'Timmy' to buy let's say Destiny 2, then Timmy might go out and buy a PS4 and Destiny 2 and is now in the PSN ecosystem. In contrast, Jimmy tells Timmy and Timmy buys Destiny 2 for his X1 and doesn't buy into the PSN at all. Clearly, from a business perspective for Sony it is a matter of numbers, as with any company, they want the number of players that popular games attract to be going to their console to play it. As of right now they will see it as a feature that consumers would think is 'nice to have' but won't ultimately affect their ecosystem on any significant way so late in the lifecycle of their console, which has established itself as the 'leader' even if it doesn't have cross play. If I was Sony I would consider for good perception allowing it but from a business mind there might be some temptation to get more marketing deals and early timed access to content to still differentiate PlayStation versions from the others. It's a complex issue that I don't think they'll face or address fully until PS5 is around launch.
Wow, is it really necessary having to label people that disagree with you as virgins?
I mean, it was still a game playable between multiple platforms, and they could've required such a feature to be unavailable. Once the PS3 came around, this feature was present in many titles as well, so it's not wrong to say that Sony was open to such a feature since the days of PS2 online play.
You're making a mistake here
Nintendo (at the very least) and Microsoft allow crossplay, but that means nothing if the third party does't want to implement it.
If EA doesn't want FIFA to have crossplay, it wont.
FIFA on Switch and Xbox are different games. They couldn't play together.
Good example though, as EA have spoken out in support of crossplay and how it'd be 'a net benefit for gamers' but it's complex because of 'some platform holders'. Ie, they'd like to support it because they think it's a good thing but it's obviously pointless if PS4 don't support it.
Having an account system doesn't really affect their stance on the matter, and such a stance persisted even for PS3 and PS4 games.
You are coming off like an absolute grade A Sony ballwasher. Even more than usual.
You should read the thread before hurling insults. Ideally, you wouldn't want to hurl insults even without reading the thread.
Steam is DRM itself, though.
It doesn't enforce OTHER DRM, but it already is DRM inherently.
What steam is better at is crossplay - I can play divinity: original sin 2 with friends who are, unlike me, using Steam. Better than sony on that front, at least.
Sony not allowing it's users to cross-play with others is not the only problem.
To be honest they care little about their Fan base's needs. For example for many years people asked them to add the name and region change ability but every time, They respond with "It's hard for our Engineers" or something similar.
To be honest they care little about their Fan base's needs. For example for many years people asked them to add the name and region change ability but every time, They respond with "It's hard for our Engineers" or something similar.
One problem is that Microsoft wants Xbox Live in on it as it is on the Switch, I can understand why Sony doesn´t want that..
No, Steam is not DRM. it offers an optional DRM component.
There are literally 1000s of DRM-free games on Steam.
Divinity: Original Sin 2 is one of them by the way.
This is factually false how many platform holders prevent you from using a cross-platform third party account on another platform after using theirs? Name these examples
Because Sony has no need to do so. Cross-play benefits MS and Nintendo because their install base is not bigger than Sony's. Sony would only gain a little bit more than what they were going to get regardless by opening up to their competitors. In that viewpoint, it's lose/lose situation in their minds which is understandable from a business standpoint. What puzzles me are the people in here hurling insults and calling people cheerleaders and ball washers. You all come across like spoiled brats mad because Sony won't do what you want.
Every Steam game I ever had only works if I log in via steam, but good on them if they eventually dropped their draconian DRM scheme.
Is the login and online activation not required anymore, and I can just save the installer and install it at my leisure at any time?
Many people don't realize some games you install through Steam you can just go to the install folder and click on the exe to play the game, because the shortcuts Steam makes are "steam://rungameid/xxxx" and those try to boot up Steam first.
Microsoft only wants live for Minecraft, because it's a Microsoft game using Microsoft servers
Don't spread misinformation, you don't need live to crossplay on rocket league or pretty much any other game not called Minecraft
I hate the cross platform situation on PS4. Frankly, as someone who has been a PS4 guy this gen, some of Sony's recent actions have left me feeling foolish or even somewhat embarrassed. I still love the PS4--I recently got an XB1X, and everything about my PS4P just feels faster and more stable--but I think MS has used much of this gen to grow and innovate while Sony has played things very conservatively and is starting to stagnate.
I don't think the issue of crossplay is very surprising. It sucks, but it's also pretty standard corporate bullshit. I think Jim's reaction here is stronger than deserved. But the only way we will ever see progress is by showing Sony how angry we are so they are afraid for their sales and reputation. And so, for all the reasons stated above and despite a few of them, I applaud Jim's take.
I don't think the issue of crossplay is very surprising. It sucks, but it's also pretty standard corporate bullshit. I think Jim's reaction here is stronger than deserved. But the only way we will ever see progress is by showing Sony how angry we are so they are afraid for their sales and reputation. And so, for all the reasons stated above and despite a few of them, I applaud Jim's take.