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Need input on these TVs for gaming: Sony X900F Series vs Samsung Q6F

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I was finally going to jump into 4K after getting a PS4 Pro and have a budget that needs to be kept under $2000, and have narrowed my choice down to these two TVs and I'm wondering if anyone here has these or has used these before and can help me make my choice. They cost roughly the same.

https://www.amazon.com/Samsung-QN65Q6F-Flat-QLED-Smart/dp/B079V1MSQ1 This is the Samsung

https://www.amazon.com/Sony-XBR65X900F-65-Inch-Ultra-Smart/dp/B07CL7Y7DW/ This is the Sony

Thanks a lot for any input
 
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I own the X900F. I really like it! As usual I highly recommend reading RTINGS for reviews on these TVs, but for whatever reason the site is down right now. So check again later.

Worth noting:
+ Runs Google Play, so VLC, Youtube, and basically anything else you can think of is easily installed. Also works with bluetooth keyboards/mice.
+ Array Lit LED, so awesome HDR brightness and good SDR brightness. God of War looks amazing.
- Only two of the four HDMI ports are full bandwidth. Not a big deal right now, but you would want to put Switch or whatever on the lower bandwidth ports.
 

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Crazymoogle said:
I own the X900F. I really like it! As usual I highly recommend reading RTINGS for reviews on these TVs, but for whatever reason the site is down right now. So check again later.

Worth noting:
+ Runs Google Play, so VLC, Youtube, and basically anything else you can think of is easily installed. Also works with bluetooth keyboards/mice.
+ Array Lit LED, so awesome HDR brightness and good SDR brightness. God of War looks amazing.
- Only two of the four HDMI ports are full bandwidth. Not a big deal right now, but you would want to put Switch or whatever on the lower bandwidth ports.
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Is it possible to run retroarch on that TV?
 
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I have an X900e (similar to X900f) and Q7F 2018 (slightly better Q6f which I got for just over 2k). They both have their strengths and weaknesses. I find the smart tv features far far better on the Samsung, way snappier. The Sony I have is sluggish with the Android stuff. Picture wise the Sony has deeper blacks due to the full array but the Samsung has more vivid colors and better brightness and HDR. The Samsung also has free sync support for the Xbox which is nice (but not relevant for you right now) and slightly better input lag. I don't think the edge lit vs full array thing is a massive difference unless you are in a very dark room.

I prefer the Q7 to the X900e because of the better hdr and brightness and color as well as free sync and input lag but I think the Q6 doesn't quite reach the Q7 in picture so the X900F may be better. Both are good honestly.
 
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I bought a TV for 1400€ a couple of months ago, the OLED LG C7. OLED is just another beast, really recommended.
 
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c0de said:
Is it possible to run retroarch on that TV?
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Possibly. I can run kodi, Plex, and the steam home streaming client on mine. You may need to side load it if it isn't in the App Store, but that's easy enough via a usb stick

I tend to lean Sony for TVs as I like their motion handling and upscaling of lower res sources like TV
 
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Patitoloco said:
I bought a TV for 1400€ a couple of months ago, the OLED LG C7. OLED is just another beast, really recommended.
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Did you see OLED in the title.........I thought not.

For me Sony tv's are so much better. The IQ, UI, look, HDR etc. I've never been impressed with Samsung tv's, there is just something off about them from my experience with them.
 
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Malcolm9 said:
Did you see OLED in the title.........I thought not.

For me Sony tv's are so much better. The IQ, UI, look, HDR etc. I've never been impressed with Samsung tv's, there is just something off about them from my experience with them.
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So? I'm recommending a TV that just got a price under 2000$ which is considered the best 2017 TV. Just giving the OP options
 
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Sony x900F for sure .the picture is fucking amazing and handles dark much better than Samsung .I have Samsung though lol just cause Sony was more expensive where I live I opted for Samsung .
 
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I get some odd behaviour on my X930D with dark areas - Great British bake-off is oddly good at showing it up. In the title sequence the shadows turn dark red for some reason. What's a good option for simple calibration? I thought I'd already set it up ok but might need to revisit
 

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MrKlaw said:
Possibly. I can run kodi, Plex, and the steam home streaming client on mine. You may need to side load it if it isn't in the App Store, but that's easy enough via a usb stick

I tend to lean Sony for TVs as I like their motion handling and upscaling of lower res sources like TV
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ItsTonyB said:
Yes just download it from the play store

There's also various other emulators for ps1/2, saturn, dreamcast, psp etc too.

Pretty much anything on android can be installed if you use the remote install feature from a pc Google store.
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Thanks for the answers. Having Android really is interesting for a TV. Also I think retroarch offers an APK directly on their site. And from a performance point of view I guess TV's run circles around a raspberry which is often used for retropi. Potentially you can even apply shaders without big performance losses.
 
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Afaik, Sony TVs are the only TVs that have a feature to clean up color gradient banding (it's called Smooth Gradation on my older Bravia), which can be visible with some sources like certain games. Some people will probably say that it can ruin picture quality, but I personally find that it helps more.

Other than that, probably check sites like Rtings to see which one does better in stuff like input lag
 
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Some important comparisons which are important for gaming and movies.

Input lag: It's a lot lower on Samsung's TV. The Sony TV's lag is not as good, especially with 1080p content at 40ms. 4K fares better at 24ms in Game mode. The Samsung's has lag around 15ms in 1080p and 4K content in Game mode.
Response time: Both very good. Sony slightly better. Doubt you would see the difference when watching a movie or playing a game.
HDR: Sony is better with higher nits. HDR Real Scene Peak Brightness 894 cd/m² vs Samsungs 524 cd/m².
Colour accuracy: both are good with colour accuracy out of the box. Sony slightly better.
Black uniformity: Samsung is better. Sony is good too, but has some slight clouding (not too apparent).
Viewing angle: Both bad, but Sony slightly better.
Local dimming: Sony way better.

https://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/samsung/q6fn-q6f-q6-2018
https://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/sony/x900f
 
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I would go with the Sony for DV HDR support, better motion, better backlight, etc. OP I know you narrowed it down to these two TVs, but have you checked out the Vizio quantum? I'm hearing it's the new hotness on the block LCD wise, I was shocked by the Rtings review on that thing.
 
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Input lag was the deal breaker for me with 900F. It basically doubles the amount of lag in 1080P, so the Switch would suffer. My 900E is just fine for now.
 
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I have the 65" X900F and I've been using it for around 8 weeks now.

I think it's a good TV overall and one I'm going to stick with for a little while, but my biggest issue with it is light bloom. Even with Auto Local Dimming and X-tended Dynamic Range it isn't enough to completely eliminate it from games.

So if you're playing Fallout 4 for example (or, more recently, the Shenmue remasters) and its night, you'll notice blooming at certain points in the HUD. That's the only real negative I have against it.
 
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Normaly I recomend Bravia, but Samsung have a very low input lag on those tvs.
 
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Noobcraft said:
Right. With a $2000 budget the OP should be considering better TVs like the Vizio P Quantum and LG OLEDs.

Or the OP can go crazy and buy two TCL 6 series sets and a switch or One X.
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I have been eyeing the same Sony, Samsung and that Vizio P Quantum. Rtings review for the latter seem to be a lot better vs Sony/Samsung.

Not sure which way to go. Samsung also has an interesting upgrade program they do where you get 36 month 0 interest financing, and you can get a new TV after 2 years with 33% of OG price of yours on Trade in. So say if you get a TV for $1,500. You can get a new one in 2 years and get $500 toward a new set.

It's kind of dumb since TVs aren't phones but still an option for people who are interested in new TV tech.
 
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Noobcraft said:
Right. With a $2000 budget the OP should be considering better TVs like the Vizio P Quantum and LG OLEDs.

Or the OP can go crazy and buy two TCL 6 series sets and a switch or One X.
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Depends a lot on the country involved. Where I live the Samsung Q7 is a thousand more and the LG OLEDs start at $3500. I've never even seen a Vizio in the region. I imagine the price situation is also quite different in Europe as well.
 
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The Q6F supports variable refresh with Freesync and VRR which are a killer feature for gaming. Although it only supports it on xbox and PC for now a future Sony console should definitely support it. If you plan on keeping your display for a while you don't want to miss out on variable refresh, its a game changer.
 
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Do you need different HDMI cables when you jump to 4K and HDR? If so, any link to good affordable ones? I used monoprice for my old HDMI cables.

Sorry, I'm a newbie to this...
 
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how´s the opinion on the Samsung NU8000/8009 in comparison to those 2 TV´s? i´ve read the NU has super low input lag and a dedicated game mode and the TV is 300bucks cheaper than the Sony....

also i have read the Q6F is the budget version of the QF series, so you want at least the Q7F and that one is also around the Sony pricerange or even more expensive...
 
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Go for the Q6F if you care about input lag.

Go for the X900F for everything else.

The input lag of the X900F for anything not 4K is bad, keep that in mind if you have any non 4K gaming devices.
 
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Brhoom said:
Go for the Q6F if you care about input lag.

Go for the X900F for everything else.

The input lag of the X900F for anything not 4K is bad, keep that in mind if you have any non 4K gaming devices.
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How bad is bad? I'm not a "picture snob" so to speak, so I may not notice what hardcore picture aficionads notice.
 
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IIRC the lag thing was taken care of in a patch almost 2 years ago. But it made the news and the pr damage was irreversible. Kinda like Microsoft with their online only blunder.

I've personally never noticed it.
 
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Crazymoogle said:
Depends a lot on the country involved. Where I live the Samsung Q7 is a thousand more and the LG OLEDs start at $3500. I've never even seen a Vizio in the region. I imagine the price situation is also quite different in Europe as well.
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I assume that op is in the is because his Amazon us links. Also his sixers avatar and username. Heh

But yeah Vizio and the particular TCL aren't options outside the US.
 
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How bad is bad? I'm not a "picture snob" so to speak, so I may not notice what hardcore picture aficionads notice.
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Depends on how sensitive you are. Looking at rtings, 1080p has an input lag of around 40ms, which is just a tiny bit above what my TV does in PC mode (37ms for a Samsung KS9000). When I was still using PC mode, there was a difference between that and game mode (20ms), but it was so small that it would not bother me and I would always end up not noticing after a few minutes. This is even when using a mouse on my desktop, which is where input lag would be more evident.

Just note that this will only affect you if the source is 1080p (eg. Switch, OG xbox one, OG PS4). A One X and PS4 Pro can always output in 4k. I think if you have a receiver that does 4k upscaling, then you can get your 1080p-only devices to not get hit my the higher input lag (never tried, my avr only supports 4k passthrough).
 
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TrustTheProcess said:
How bad is bad? I'm not a "picture snob" so to speak, so I may not notice what hardcore picture aficionads notice.
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The picture quality of the X900F is better.

Keep in mind that stuff like emulators add lag, and old retro games were designed with lower input lag in mind.

What is your current TV set? Search around the web for its input lag and compare. Do you notice the lag in your current set?
 
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X900F. Good feature set with the androidtv excellent contrast for an LCD panel thanks to local dimming zones, and it's probably one of the best TVs when it comes to picture accuracy out of the box. Sony's various image processing algorithms are pretty damn nice as well. Sony has probably some of the best built in upscaling on the market.
 
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Brhoom said:
The picture quality of the X900F is better.

Keep in mind that stuff like emulators add lag, and old retro games were designed with lower input lag in mind.

What is your current TV set? Search around the web for its input lag and compare. Do you notice the lag in your current set?
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My current set is the old Bravias from like 2012-ish where they had the combo deal with the PS3. Bravia KDL NX800.
 
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TrustTheProcess said:
My current set is the old Bravias from like 2012-ish where they had the combo deal with the PS3. Bravia KDL NX800.
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The input lag of this TV in game mode is 30ms

Meaning you will enjoy lower input lag in 4K while a higher one when playing something like the Switch with X900F

That if you were using game mode on your NX800 because it's 70ms outside game mode.
 
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Brhoom said:
The input lag of this TV in game mode is 30ms

Meaning you will enjoy lower input lag in 4K while a higher one when playing something like the Switch with X900F

That if you were using game mode on your NX800 because it's 70ms outside game mode.
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I never used gaming mode. So I probably won't notice a difference then.
 
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Well I was actually about to order the Vizio but it sold out at Best Buy during the conversation in this thread lol. I want a new TV before the football season as well, so yeah, while I could wait for the Vizio to come back in stock and go on sale again, I decided to just get the Sony.

So one more question too for everyone. Since the Sony only has two of the HDMI that supports full bandwidth does that only matter for devices I'll be using for 4K? Like, that wouldn't matter much for regular tv would it? I'm trying to figure out what I should use on those HDMI ports and what to use on the others.

I also have an HDMI expansion device, so not sure if that supports full bandwidth either.

Thanks
 
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Doesn't matter at all for 1080p; only matters for 4K HDR basically. This TV does HDR wonderfully so of course that matters, but anything that is too old for HDR or is running 1080p doesn't use that extra bandwidth at all.
 
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I picked up the Samsung.. So far I'm loving it. I also have a Samsung phone, so I love the connectivity that comes with that.
 
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Tough call. They both seem kinda meh for the price and i would just go for a x900e. Oled would be the best but the burn in is a constant boogeyman.
 
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