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Falconbox

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Oct 27, 2017
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Buffalo, NY
I did see some people upset, a few tweets with iver 10,000 likes saying they shouldn't have made a joke out of it.

But not really enough that would warrant the amount of YouTube videos I've seen floating around.
 

Robin

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Oct 25, 2017
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My tweet was one of the couple that Sargon and others decided to spotlight. My twitter account was targeted by Gamergate losers for a couple of days. I still get a few replies on it every day. I still think the two jokes were in poor taste. I still see a distinction between the anti-corporate jokes in the first game and the jokes in the trailer, and I'm waiting to see what the final game actually looks like. I'm still looking forward to Doom Eternal.

It's been a frustrating experience but I'm not going to be humiliated or embarrassed. It was a hot take I wrote while watching the conference, it was a bit hyperbolic but the inverse reaction from the right kind of plays my point up, if you ask me. I love Shaun a lot and I'm interested to see his take on this (about 5 minutes into the video currently but just wanted to poke my head in first as this affected me a great deal).
 

Chronos

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Oct 27, 2017
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Reaction has been a bit overboard, but at least we got some great satire out of it.

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Raijinto

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Oct 28, 2017
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My tweet was one of the couple that Sargon and others decided to spotlight. My twitter account was targeted by Gamergate losers for a couple of days. I still get a few replies on it every day. I still think the two jokes were in poor taste. I still see a distinction between the anti-corporate jokes in the first game and the jokes in the trailer, and I'm waiting to see what the final game actually looks like. I'm still looking forward to Doom Eternal.

It's been a frustrating experience but I'm not going to be humiliated or embarrassed. It was a hot take I wrote while watching the conference, it was a bit hyperbolic but the inverse reaction from the right kind of plays my point up, if you ask me. I love Shaun a lot and I'm interested to see his take on this (about 5 minutes into the video currently but just wanted to poke my head in first as this affected me a great deal).

:(

Sorry to hear that. You obviously did nothing wrong though so you should be able to agree with Shaun overall and laugh at how desperate people like Sargon are now.
 

Neiteio

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Oct 25, 2017
24,127
...and if so, did that lead to s.th. one would reasonable call outrage?
I just remember a dozen or so posts going back and forth, but it was limited to like a page or two. Didn't really catch on. I think most people saw it as a harmless joke, not actually suggesting that human immigrants are equivalent to evil space demons.
 
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RellikSK

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Nov 1, 2017
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Werent people on this very board complaining about how DOOM is political commentary?

Some people were discussing the jokes, some found it problematic because they thought it made of immagrants, others found it ok becaue they thought it made fun of corprate culture that pretends to care about immagrants. Some nice healthy discussion, there wasn't any massive outrage over it.
 

NaDannMaGoGo

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Oct 25, 2017
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No idea, I stayed far away from those discussions.

But you just argued that people were complaining here in this forum so, how does that work?

I only read a couple pages of the doom trailer threads and can't even recall any such criticism, which doesn't mean it wasn't there at all, just that it wasn't so overbearing that I couldn't oversee it.

Outrage implies a certain scale, I would argue, and despite reading lots of Era lately I've seen no other thread thereof, nor did I have any idea about a supposed outrage until I just saw this video.
 

klastical

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Oct 29, 2017
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To this day I have not seen anyone upset about that trailer. The only upset people I saw were people upset about how "sjws" were totally gonna freak out about this joke. Its outrage culture at its finest.
 

Neiteio

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Oct 25, 2017
24,127
Outrage implies a certain scale, I would argue and despite reading lots of Era lately I've seen no other thread thereof, nor did I have any idea about a supposed outrage until I just saw this video.
Outrage can be used to describe an individual's take. But yeah, there was no huge controversy as the gators would like to suggest. Just a handful of people.
 

Robin

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Oct 25, 2017
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:(

Sorry to hear that. You obviously did nothing wrong though so you should be able to agree with Shaun overall and laugh at how desperate people like Sargon are now.

Hearing the montage of all the videos reading my tweet out cracked me up for sure, as humiliating as the whole thing has been. Most of the discussions with friends about the topic ran between Shaun's take and my own, and I still don't know which will end up ringing truest in the end. But obviously they'd rather screencap my initial gut reaction and spin a narrative over it.
 

Vicious17

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Oct 29, 2017
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But you just argued that people were complaining here in this forum so, how does that work?

I only read a couple pages of the doom trailer threads and can't even recall any such criticism, which doesn't mean it wasn't there at all, just that it wasn't so overbearing that I couldn't oversee it.

Outrage implies a certain scale, I would argue, and despite reading lots of Era lately I've seen no other thread thereof, nor did I have any idea about a supposed outrage until I just saw this video.

What do you mean? I've seen the arguments pop up around DOOM Eternal's discussion, I did not participate, nor did I read enough in the topics to know if they ever ammounted to anything. But, there were most certainly people talking about it. Also, I never said "outrage". I said people were complaining.
 
Nov 1, 2017
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I remember seeing a vid or two pop up about "the SJW's being outraged", was utterly puzzled as I hadn't heard a single peep about anyone being angered by the Doom Eternal trailer, all I heard was people being excited about it. In the end it's an attempt to manufacture outrage as said where none existed.
 

NaDannMaGoGo

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Oct 25, 2017
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Outrage can be used to describe an individual's take. But yeah, there was no huge controversy as the gators would like to suggest. Just a handful of people.

I mean, yes, but it's usual used within the larger scale context as, ideally, no one should ever care what a few single people have to say considering how many idiots there are out there, a couple ridiculous statements will always be had. If they don't gather any support they simply don't matter.

Also, I never said "outrage". I said people were complaining.

Yeh, stealth edited that already :s
 

Neiteio

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Oct 25, 2017
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Hearing the montage of all the videos reading my tweet out cracked me up for sure, as humiliating as the whole thing has been. Most of the discussions with friends about the topic ran between Shaun's take and my own, and I still don't know which will end up ringing truest in the end. But obviously they'd rather screencap my initial gut reaction and spin a narrative over it.
You meant well. I'd just ignore them and let them spin their wheels. They're wasting their own time and emotional energy. Not yours.
 

evilromero

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Oct 27, 2017
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Glad someone made a video about this strange phenomenon. I also saw thumbnails for these "sjws triggered by new doom" videos and couldn't roll my eyes enough.
 

Poppy

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Oct 25, 2017
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the jokes were shitty, i'm not really surprised because game writing is like 99% of the time absolute trash. i think maybe if the writers weren't american i sort of understand, if they are american then they should probably take a look around because in today's environment those are just really fucking tone deaf lines taking into account with what the game is like. ultimately i'm willing to roll my eyes and ignore it and play the game anyway but i would definitely understand if people were more upset than me.

but obviously the anti sjw outrage is loud and pitiful as per usual. the projection about looking for things to be offended about is very clear.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Great video, Shaun is a gem

My tweet was one of the couple that Sargon and others decided to spotlight. My twitter account was targeted by Gamergate losers for a couple of days. I still get a few replies on it every day. I still think the two jokes were in poor taste. I still see a distinction between the anti-corporate jokes in the first game and the jokes in the trailer, and I'm waiting to see what the final game actually looks like. I'm still looking forward to Doom Eternal.

I think the most absurd part is that the tweet makes note that "Doom Eternal is my most anticipated game of the year currently" yet it was still twisted to be some incredibly explosive outrage, instead of a mild speculative take.
Sorry to hear about the shitty responses though.
 
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Robin

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Oct 25, 2017
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You meant well. I'd just ignore them and let them spin their wheels. They're wasting their own time and emotional energy. Not yours.

Thanks, I do appreciate that. And at the very least now I've appeared in a Shaun video, which leaves me a bit starstruck!
 

evilromero

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Oct 27, 2017
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I'm shocked alt-right gamers have effectively gaslighted themselves into being outraged.

Also I had no clue ReviewtechUSA just went full alt-right.
Anyone using the term SJW with any amount of seriousness is just projecting their own shitty irredeemable bigoted ideology. No different than most in the Republican Party.

I still don't understand how these right-leaning bigots can't seem to detect the irony that they are in fact the ones that are triggered.
 

NaDannMaGoGo

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Oct 25, 2017
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The part that hasn't been discussed much yet is that the somewhat ambiguous joke may have been made specifically to get a sort of controversial media attention which might ultimately be regarded as good PR.

Hell, a lot of those videos which—unlike the damned 'outrage' tweets—actually have a huge supporting audience do suggest everyone buy the game in order to 'speak out against SJWs'. So if that was (part of) the intention, it certainly worked.

Now, who could ever tell whether that's actually the case. The thing that would certainly contradict that would be devs/publisher specifically speaking out against the people making these videos.
 

PHOENIXZERO

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Oct 29, 2017
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This is dumb, it's lazy satire but really? Not surprised by Gamegapers would spin it. They've done that frequently.

I'm shocked alt-right gamers have effectively gaslighted themselves into being outraged.

Also I had no clue ReviewtechUSA just went full alt-right.

He's been pandering to those fucks for years at this point, he's buddies with and had MundaneMatt on his channel regularly a couple years back when I started losing interest in checking his channel.
 

aerie

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Oct 25, 2017
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Ridiculous when some often gentle criticism by fans about a part of a product that they believe or see as wrong is suddenly "SJW outrage!". Most of the conversation about this was essentially "Hey, i see this as being potentially problematic, I hope the game isn't going too hard in this direction, still really looking forward to it though!" and that was outrage? Ridiculous.

Criticism is not outrage, and the "outrage" that people like Sargon, thunderf00t, TheQuatering, or even just Brietbart manufacture to get their fans or readers into a proper tizzy is not only a bit ironic but dismissive, problematic, and caustic.
 

catboy

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Oct 25, 2017
4,322
Haha, I knew that this "SJW outrage" was based on a couple of tweets that aren't even outraged at the game, but Shaun noticing the bolded letters was amazing.

The "anti-SJWs" literally searched Twitter for "doom demon offended" to find some outrage. That's how desperate they were to find some outrage after finding out nobody was offended by the jokes.
the real outrage culture
 

Dark1x

Digital Foundry
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Oct 26, 2017
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The point of this is that there wasn't an outrage. But the internet right pretends that there was.

There was so little outrage they had to actively search for it through a Twitter keyword search.
Oh, well, they're morons then. Creating outrage about outrage that doesn't exist is stupidly deceitful...which I suppose is their M.O.
 

Mhj

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Oct 30, 2017
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Just shut Internet down. It's too much for mankind to handle.
 

ShinUltramanJ

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Oct 27, 2017
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Great video and I'm subbing.

But you can clearly see why these videos are made. As he showed the various videos claiming outrage, each of them had at least 100k views, and in most cases much more. I don't know if any of these tubers are considered popular (I've never heard of any of them), but that's a lot of people watching your content.

I do a search to watch a video review of an indie game and I'm lucky to see them hit 15k. So creating this content to bring in the anti-SJW crowd is a golden goose for them. It's like the video said; it's easy to market to these people.

I'd be curious as to how many views their regular content gets.
 

Otherist

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Oct 27, 2017
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SJWS EXPRESS MILD DISAPPOINTMENT! OFFICIAL REKT COMPILATION 2018 MUST WATCH!!!

The biggest takeaway from this is that if it's incredibly easy for racists to co-opt your joke, then regardless of intention, you've probably made the wrong joke. The "anti-SJW" response to the trailer is more indicative of problems than any imaginary pro-SJW reaction.
 

bangai-o

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Oct 27, 2017
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Good video. At the end, the summary presented the issue of, "nothing happened. Lots of people said something happened, but it didnt." This kind of thing happens on these forums as well. Posters will become angered and push a narrative based on something that apparently was said. Yet, going back to reading the thread, no one really said it. It kind of bugs me. It is fairly inconsequential here, but when this occurs on a larger platform like youtube, it could be dangerous.
 

large_gourd

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Jun 29, 2018
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I really don't care or no about any kind of mass outrage or fake outrage or whatever stupid nonsense people are fighting about, but I did think a couple of the jokes in the trailer were kinda off because of the attempt at comedically using language that people normally use when trying to defend/explain rights of marginalised groups in the context of a corporation (ie, liars) defending demons (ie, evil things) for their own gain.

This is the basis of the joke: the comedy of it lies in satirizing real world progressive language, and that means you're laughing at the expense of people who are already excluded and brutalised in the real world. It also puts the language in the mouth of a clearly dishonest corporation trying to convince humanity that demons are good for society, and the assumption or suspicion that people who speak out about prejudice aren't doing it because it's right, but because they want something for it - whether it be a pat on the back, or money.

I don't know why your mind would go there for a joke unless you thought that progressive concerns were on some level ridiculous and dishonest. It isn't like this shit is solved, it's an ongoing crisis worldwide and there's no end in sight.

So for me, it wasn't funny and makes just a little less excited for the game because I know this kind of thing comes from somewhere and it's not a cool place - and I don't mean 'not cool man' as in, you stepped over the line, I mean not cool as in lame. It's a lame kind of joke to make. Indicative of a closed brain. Just a bit of a bad smell in the air about it.

I think what happens sometimes is somebody states a calm complaint, then someone gets pissed off at the premise of the complaint, then the original complainant gets pissed off that someone is pissed off and all of a sudden you've got a fever pitch which makes everyone just want to cover their ears when really the underlying point is more or less valid but now everyone's pissed off. It's stupid.
 
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Deleted member 41271

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Great video. Really reminds me of the cuphead "outrage" where they made up evil journalists attacking the game based on...

...one journalist praising the game after being not very good at it.
 

Smash Kirby

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Nov 7, 2017
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This was intentional, you now have people who never played DOOM playing it now to "spite" "triggered" SJWs. I always thought that line was mocking companies that try to embrace progressive ideology to only seem in.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Have you got a link to that twitter feed. I'd like to read the comments.
I am not aware of any Twitter threads to follow, but there were videos.

Angry Joe's original BFV video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f4IxlTXAz4I - He attempts to provide another explanation for the low number of Battlefield V pre-orders that is not the stupid "SJW" shit.

TheQuartering responds to it (warning: this right-wing video may fuck your recommendations) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FSdxNq93oms - Basically he responds "No, it's actually the SJWs who did it".

Then Angry Joe responds to the response: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O0yDB4xMe8I
 

bangai-o

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Oct 27, 2017
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Coincidentally Obama, this morning, mentioned this issue in public discourse as related to politics.