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SolVanderlyn

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Edit: wrong forum dammit. Mods please move this topic, sorry

I've used this example before for games that have tonal shifts in general, but I think it fits this... admittedly super specific category better, and the other one not so much.

Xenogears.

Spoilers for the first hour or so of Xenogears.

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It starts off in the village of Lahan, which is a pretty happy go lucky place. Spoilers, things go wrong. This is nothing new for JRPGs - it's actually pretty normal, if not expected to have your hometown burn down and everyone die - but the tonal shift is what sets it apart, because...

-The game suddenly shifts from a backwater mountain village where you're playing as a martial artist to big ass Gundams invading your town.

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-You go from controlling a martial artist to controlling a big ass Gundam

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-You accidentally use this Gundam to destroy your town. YOU. You destroy your hometown.

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-Everyone in your town hates you and thinks you're a monster, and the little boy who looked up to you moments before goes on a quest for vengeance against you

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-The subplot with Fei's murky past is set into place, and the shadow of Id is cast over the story from this point forward. The game starts with Fei as a relative nobody - a common trope in JRPGs, the farm boy saving the world - but this changes it to a different trope, which is Fei as a sort of special person

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-The game is dark as hell from this point forward. Mitsuda's music for Lahan sounds like something straight out of Chrono Trigger, but the rest of the OST sounds... I don't know how to describe it. Heavier? Nothing sounds as lighthearted as this.



I don't know, it might just be me, as several people have disagreed with me on this before, saying the Lahan segment is pretty in-line with the rest of the game... but to me, it feels distinctly different. Like the game was trying to sell me Chrono Trigger or Grandia, but ended up giving me Final Fantasy VII or SMT instead. It went from a rustic setting to a sci-fi setting at the drop of a hat, even if the sci-fi was hinted at in the intro scene. I felt like it was setting up a grand adventure, but we got a fairly mature, layered story instead. It was a pretty big fake-out to me back when I first played it.

You can feel free to agree or disagree.

But enough about my opinions... what games do YOU think shifted gears really early on?
 

Mendrox

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Brutal Legends was one of the worst offenders for me. Starts cool as a action RPG and after a few hours changes to a god damn RTS. Like...What?!

Edit: I guess the tone didn't change though hmm
 

lmcfigs

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Until Dawn threw me for a loop with the fake out early on and then really awesome, supernatural horror out of nowhere.
 

IDreamOfHime

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Star Ocean did the same thing.
1st few hours were in Dragon Questy sleepy hamlet with you beating beasties and bandits with sticks and stones... Then suddenly an alien force poisons the planet and you're recruited to the galactic defense force and you're in a full scifi space opera.
 

sappyday

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Kingdom Hearts 2 starts with a somber story of a kid trying to find a reason for his existence only to end up dying in service to the main character. Then the Disney stuff happens.
 

Robin

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Metal Gear Solid 2 totally counts. I'd also point to Tales of Berseria.
 
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Tomb Raider (2013) started as a survival drama but ended up like a Die Hard movie. I liked the game overall but I had no idea what they were going for in terms of tone and general gameplay and story interaction.
 

Mudo

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Tales of the Abyss did this well I think. Starts out as a normal Tales game in a sleepy town and quickly devolves into a plot to stop your mentor from DESTROYING PILLARS holding up the planet from a dark underside. The story is so WTF but I absolutely loved it and it's one of the best Tales games ever.
 
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SolVanderlyn

SolVanderlyn

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Tomb Raider (2013) started as a survival drama but ended up like a Die Hard movie. I liked the game overall but I had no idea what they were going for in terms of tone and general gameplay and story interaction.
The story in this game was all over the place. I agree that the beginning and the rest of the game seemed like they were going for totally different things. Lara herself felt off, too. She was weak and scared but also a master huntress with no effort. Ludonarrative dissonance lolol.
 

HalStep

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Dark Sector should count,you start the game in black and white more of a stealth style until something happens and you start seeing the world correctly in colour.plus it adds a gameplay mechanic which really changes how you play.
 

Bomblord

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I think people are still mad about that shift in Brutal Legends from an 3rd person action game to an RTS. IIRC nothing pre-release ever even hinted that it would be a thing.
 

'3y Kingdom

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Not really "early on," but Ecco works anyway due to how jarring the disappearance of the fellow dolphins is.
Does A Link to the Past count?
There's almost two shifts early on, first from rainy night to day, and then from the main world to the dark world. Seems to fit.

One that stood out to me a while back was Megami Tensei II, where your character begin by playing through part of the original Megami Tensei as a game-within-a-game. In this incarnation, the original game seems like a relatively abstract and even quaint experience, one that disappears when you reach the end of the dungeon and quit the game your characters find themselves in a more depressing post-apocalyptic world.
 
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WieDerrickWie

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The original Assassin's Creed, taking it out of the case, putting it in my 360, taking a while to load up, starting it all the while thinking I was about to play an assassin in a historical setting only to be thrust into the future into an unskippable storyline I couldn't care less about.
 

Plum

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"Hey! Here's this highly interesting setting where American exceptionalism, racism and colonialism are taken to their natural extremes!"

*Few hours later*

"lol it's actually about quantum physics gg. It's just white people worrying about parallel universes from here on out."
 

antitrop

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The original Assassin's Creed, taking it out of the case, putting it in my 360, taking a while to load up, starting it all the while thinking I was about to play an assassin in a historical setting only to be thrust into the future into an unskippable storyline I couldn't care less about.
I still remember Kristen Bell "spoiling" this, although people were already speculating about some sort of computer simulation because of the UI.
 
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SolVanderlyn

SolVanderlyn

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The original Assassin's Creed, taking it out of the case, putting it in my 360, taking a while to load up, starting it all the while thinking I was about to play an assassin in a historical setting only to be thrust into the future into an unskippable storyline I couldn't care less about.
The future storyline tying the first three (numbered) games together ended being something I never knew I wanted. Especially in 2, when it started to pick up steam, only to end with a whimper at the end of 3. I haven't been interested in the plot of these games since they dropped it, and I was SUPER skeptical about the modern setting when I first heard about it. I loved picking up all the small hints throughout the animus about Eden and the other users and whatnot.

Oh well.
 

gordofredito

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  • RE7 goes from being a horror game to first person action for the last 2 hours of the game
  • FF VI - world of ruin, it's great. The world ends and the party goes separate ways. FF XV tried to copy it, failed miserably - as expected of Tabata
  • Bloodborne - goes from "cool and creepy" to "Lovecraftian fucked up nightmare" halfway through, and it's perfect. But it's not a huge tonal shift
  • Doki Doki Literature Club - 4th wall and creepy shit

it's a common trope in JRPGs, so expect a lot of examples in the comments
 

VectorPrime

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The future storyline tying the first three (numbered) games together ended being something I never knew I wanted. Especially in 2, when it started to pick up steam, only to end with a whimper at the end of 3. I haven't been interested in the plot of these games since they dropped it, and I was SUPER skeptical about the modern setting when I first heard about it. I loved picking up all the small hints throughout the animus about Eden and the other users and whatnot.

Oh well.

It's really amazing how Ubisoft completely shit the bed with the modern day storyline. It was so damn cool in the first two games and Brotherhood. It got a little ehh in Revelations but that was fine. But then AC3 happened and woof.
 

NTGYK

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It's really amazing how Ubisoft completely shit the bed with the modern day storyline. It was so damn cool in the first two games and Brotherhood. It got a little ehh in Revelations but that was fine. But then AC3 happened and woof.
Agreed. AC3's ending and wasting of all that buildup still pisses me off years later.
 

Davoid

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RE4.

It goes from horror to cheeseball goofy haunted house antics pretty much as soon as you finish the village.
 

Vicious17

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Kind of the opposite of this, but Giygas in Earthbound. The entire game is colorful, and "happy" and has hamburgers and then Giygas is... well



THAT. That's a thing you fight.


More on topic, does Half-Life count? You start off as a scientist working in a lab, and then shit happens and you become a scientist with a motherfucking crowbar.