Sony CEO says you can't have cross-play because PlayStation is the best

Metallix87 said:

I think DQ11 is a virtual non-factor. The series performed somewhat well on PS2 and DS, but was never a big mover. RDR2 is on two platforms. That just leaves Spider-Man, which I do think will be quite big, but not necessarily bigger than the titles I mentioned.

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It doesn't need to be as big. It's another big release among other big releases.

You're so used to seeing all of the big third party releases, that you're ignoring them. CoD, Battlefield, The Division 2, Assassin's Creed... you name it.

This isn't a system with only one or two big games for the holiday period.

The dream: buy anywhere, play seamlessly with anyone, the game is the hub rather than the platform.

The reality: you end up logging into 8 different publisher 'friend'/library platforms if you are currently playing 8 multiplayer games. You open a laptop and load some launcher or website and import friends lists, and fiddle with shit to try to get playing with your friend on another platform. Now I guess these publisher accounts are already happening to a greater and lesser extent on console, but it's mostly an optional extra on some console games, for detailed stats or mobile companion apps.

I kinda want cross-play I kinda want Sony to allow it, it would be neat to play with the one person I know on Xbox. But the reality is messier, more complicated, and uglier than the dream. I don't really see any real benefits of it so far on PS4/PC cross-play, or anything else. Maybe devs get an increased matchmaking pool, but that's not really an end-user benefit, unless they like some sparsely populated game.

So if this actually happens one day and Sony relinquish control, you aren't just going to use the controller to jump across to friends on PS4, see BillyXbox is currently playing Halo, invite him, party up, and have a Call of Duty party. No. It's going to be weird launcher or website on a laptop, sign up with third party game account, import friends list, check third party launcher or load game to check they are online, blah blah.

Fortnite cross-play experience

Between PS4 and PC, it works, if you have linked steam to epic games launcher, tied your PS4 account to it, and dicked about. To be honest I found literally just playing against other steam friends difficult, because we both had to import steam contacts to epic launcher. And of course, playing against PC people with 144hz monitors and mice when on PS4 is kinda pointless, but I'm sure PC players enjoy the reverse. I've tried this with different people a few times and it's had mixed success, some of my friends just literally give up at the setup phase. Meh

Rocket league cross-play experience

It's coming, supposedly. Right now it's just rocket league cross-platform matchmaking pool, and to be honest, I turn it off on PS4 and it makes zero difference to the experience. I do use it on PC though, it's a smaller player pool so it helps get games quickly on PC. Supposedly cross-platform-parties are coming this summer, but I guarantee it's similar to Fortnite, complicated, fiddly, requiring me to dick about on a laptop to add contacts to some launcher or website.

I guess I just hope we don't end up with a complicated un-curated mess in the name of cross-play. As long as it all remains optional for the people who want to take advantage of it.

You know, I don't think I've bought a single thing on PS4 since this bullshit started, and I used to spend money like an asshole on PSN.

sony back to early ps3 era and with the pc ona sweet sweet spot... good luck sony with your next console...

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RunJumpStomp said:

I said it in the other thread. I don't care about cross platform play, I just want my account unlocked. They stole my account, and I want it back.

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If anything this shouldn't happen.

Sony at The very least should allow you to take your Fortnite account wherever. It's your account, and one that you likely put money into.

Gunblade47 said:

I for one am looking forward to Microsoft dominating the next gen and then for Sony's attitude to shift. Again...

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Slightly off topic .
Microsoft never dominated any gen , the closest they got was fighting for 2th place with Sony during the Wii era.

I don't think this can easily happen again even with Switch but competition should be closer.

I don't like the leaders having bad attitude , its like a tread with the Big 3 rotating every few years.

ShinUltramanJ said:

It doesn't need to be as big. It's another big release among other big releases.

You're so used to seeing all of the big third party releases, that you're ignoring them. CoD, Battlefield, The Division 2, Assassin's Creed... you name it.

This isn't a system with only one or two big games for the holiday period.

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I never said it lacked big releases, I said it's biggest system sellers were out.

I really hope they change their stance on this issue.

So clearly there is no proper internal reason for this, cause every Sony rep says something different.

Maybe people just need to stop asking them. They clearly don't care, just like most gamers don't care.

Solrac said:

sony back to early ps3 era and with the pc ona sweet sweet spot... good luck sony with your next console...

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This forum.

There isn't enough demand for it among Playstation users. "#4theplayers" puns always show up in these threads but the fact is Sony's players, by and large, are not clamoring for cross play. When(or if) they actually want it Sony will probably give it to them. Until then, what real incentive do they have to budge?

Welcome back arrogant Sony.
I wonder what the real reasoning is for this stance.

Metallix87 said:

I never said it lacked big releases, I said it's biggest system sellers were out.

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You can assume that, but you really don't know.

Whether you agree the PS4 is the best platform or not, being the market leader gives justification to the stance. Cross-play makes sense to everyone striving to be the top.

This is so arrogant and selfish.

Still remember Sony's spokesmen words about EA Access in 2014.

"We evaluated the EA Access subscription offering and decided that it does not bring the kind of value PlayStation customers have come to expect. PlayStation Plus memberships are up more than 200% since the launch of PlayStation 4, which shows that gamers are looking for memberships that offer a multitude of services, across various devices, for one low price. We don't think asking our fans to pay an additional $5 a month for this EA-specific program represents good value to the PlayStation gamer".

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Sony stops being consumer friendly when they are on top it seems.

Wow the "he ain't wrong" posts. Like seriously, PC is a gaming platform. As long as it is, any console won't be the best. Preferences are a thing of course that's fair, but when objectively comparing the platforms and their possibilities PC triumphs. Especially as he is bringing up Fortnite specifically. Sony exclusive games don't really fit in the argument. Perfomance, graphical fidelity, voice and text chat, controller possibilities etc. are better in PC when playing any games. He is very wrong.

Is Sony still locking fortnite accounts?

Yeah the best for portability.. wait no.

The best in terms of graphics,sound,etc... wait no.

The best at being consumer friendly.. wait no.

The best in... wait, they aren't the best in anything.

Hahaha PlayStation is the best place to play, and Because Playstation is the best, are not the same thing xD

vorimenn said:

This is so arrogant and selfish.

Still remember Sony's spokesmen words about EA Access in 2014.

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This one still makes no sense to me lol

Rondras said:

Yeah the best for portability.. wait no.

The best in terms of graphics,sound,etc... wait no.

The best at being consumer friendly.. wait no.

The best in... wait, they aren't the best in anything.

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Tbh, if it wasn't the best at something, we wouldn't be having this conversation. Things that came in the late cycle doesn't really matter at this point. They are there being the best at what they can do. You tried to be funny with this one but it kind of fails at that.

Well i dont care about cross play, I only play on PS4 anyway. MS has some interesting games for sure but I couldn't care less if I get to play them or not. Sony just has such a deep library there is no time for anything else

Terrible stance that doesn't benefit any consumer. That kind of naked, arrogant corporate greed should find no defense.

Such attitudes will eventually take their toll.
PlayStation is not untouchable.

degauss said:

The dream: buy anywhere, play seamlessly with anyone, the game is the hub rather than the platform.

The reality: you end up logging into 8 different publisher 'friend'/library platforms if you are currently playing 8 multiplayer games. You open a laptop and load some launcher or website and import friends lists, and fiddle with shit to try to get playing with your friend on another platform. Now I guess these publisher accounts are already happening to a greater and lesser extent on console, but it's mostly an optional extra on some console games, for detailed stats or mobile companion apps.

I kinda want cross-play I kinda want Sony to allow it, it would be neat to play with the one person I know on Xbox. But the reality is messier, more complicated, and uglier than the dream. I don't really see any real benefits of it so far on PS4/PC cross-play, or anything else. Maybe devs get an increased matchmaking pool, but that's not really an end-user benefit, unless they like some sparsely populated game.

So if this actually happens one day and Sony relinquish control, you aren't just going to use the controller to jump across to friends on PS4, see BillyXbox is currently playing Halo, invite him, party up, and have a Call of Duty party. No. It's going to be weird launcher or website on a laptop, sign up with third party game account, import friends list, check third party launcher or load game to check they are online, blah blah.

Fortnite cross-play experience

Between PS4 and PC, it works, if you have linked steam to epic games launcher, tied your PS4 account to it, and dicked about. To be honest I found literally just playing against other steam friends difficult, because we both had to import steam contacts to epic launcher. And of course, playing against PC people with 144hz monitors and mice when on PS4 is kinda pointless, but I'm sure PC players enjoy the reverse. I've tried this with different people a few times and it's had mixed success, some of my friends just literally give up at the setup phase. Meh

Rocket league cross-play experience

It's coming, supposedly. Right now it's just rocket league cross-platform matchmaking pool, and to be honest, I turn it off on PS4 and it makes zero difference to the experience. I do use it on PC though, it's a smaller player pool so it helps get games quickly on PC. Supposedly cross-platform-parties are coming this summer, but I guarantee it's similar to Fortnite, complicated, fiddly, requiring me to dick about on a laptop to add contacts to some launcher or website.

I guess I just hope we don't end up with a complicated un-curated mess in the name of cross-play. As long as it all remains optional for the people who want to take advantage of it.

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I went over to a friend's house for his birthday party and his kids got Fortnite running crossplay really easily. You make it sound harder than it is.

The account locking horse shit is absolutely anti consumer. Not offering something your direct consumers aren't even showing a demand for is not anti consumer.

Simsamdeo said:

Small list:
-Aragami
-Rocket League
-Paladins
-Pinball FX 3
-Next Up Hero
-Hover Revolt

I'm not talking about cross-play being enabled for games that didn't have them. I'm talking about Xbox/Switch cross-play for multi-platform games that have that feature. Obviously the list is small because not every Switch game is on Xbox One and vice-versa. I'm just saying that the platform holders actually allows for them outside out of popular titles. You didn't need to go full defensive and start victimizing Sony for being "mistreated" as the "bad guy" -- which I didn't even say. None of the platform holders are my friends. They're corporations and they don't need me to defend their business decisions. Does acknowledging reality make me a Microsoft/Nintendo fanboy now? If that's so, what does it make you?

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I dunno where you get this fanboy stuff from but my point was that this shit is overblown!

The gen is really winding for the hardcore fans as new systems are on the horizon and with that maybe better tech and the possibility of cross play!

It's not arrogant Sony at all as Ms at one time shared the same sentiments with the 369 if I recall!

Also like you said as I alluded to that there's not many games for this to an issue at all and wouldn't help with sales of their platform at all but boosts up the switches sales when Sony has handheld device of their own!

Does that makes sense to you now?

Nameless said:

There isn't enough demand for it among Playstation users. "#4theplayers" puns always show up in these threads but the fact is Sony's players, by and large, are not clamoring for cross play. When(or if) they actually want it Sony will probably give it to them. Until then, what real incentive do they have to budge?

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This reminds of how Sony hasn't added external HDD support. I remember when threads popped up about that, and i saw some comparable reasoning.

• You can already swap the internal hard disk, and you already have enough space, just manage it properly
  
• Despite 2 other consoles on the market already having this and not having been broken open via this method over the past 2-3 years, adding USB HDD support is a blatant security exploit
• With little to no basis, i am almost positive it was argued back then that an external HDD would be slower than the internal
  
• Most importantly, only a minority of forum users would actually ever use it. Sony's user base isn't asking for it.

With reasoning like that, its not surprising that they never added it...

Oh wait.

I am legitimately baffled here. Why would they add that feature?

DesiacX said:

This reminds of how Sony hasn't added external HDD support. I remember when threads popped up about that, and i saw some comparable reasoning.

• You can already swap the internal hard disk, and you already have enough space, just manage it properly
  
• Despite 2 other consoles on the market already having this and not having been broken open via this method over the past 2-3 years, adding USB HDD support is a blatant security exploit
• With little to no basis, i am almost positive it was argued back then that an external HDD would be slower than the internal
  
• Most importantly, only a minority of forum users would actually ever use it. Sony's user base isn't asking for it.

With reasoning like that, its not surprising that they never added it...

Oh wait.

I am legitimately baffled here. Why would they add that feature?

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I don't think that was general sentiment at all. External hard drive support was right up there with name change, folders, and later system wide super sampling as some the most wanted features.

Beyond that removing storage space as an issue directly benefits their digital storefront business and increases engagement with the hardware itself.

Imagine liking a corporation enough to defend something as anti-consumer as this. Imagine going through life being that gullible.

Solrac said:

sony back to early ps3 era and with the pc ona sweet sweet spot... good luck sony with your next console...

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Don't worry. They are gonna kill it.

ctw0e said:

Straight up the Trump of video-game quotes

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Haha it does sound very Trump-ish

Rondras said:

Yeah the best for portability.. wait no.

The best in terms of graphics,sound,etc... wait no.

The best at being consumer friendly.. wait no.

The best in... wait, they aren't the best in anything.

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+1

Rondras said:

Yeah the best for portability.. wait no.

The best in terms of graphics,sound,etc... wait no.

The best at being consumer friendly.. wait no.

The best in... wait, they aren't the best in anything.

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They do have some of the best games, why would people otherwise buy their junk? Though im not sure if competition would actually help, i suppose people switching platforms would be some type of solution.

Carolina Reaper said:

Imagine liking a corporation enough to defend something as anti-consumer as this. Imagine going through life being that gullible.

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No need to imagine, just look around. The mental gymnastics some people go through all for a faceless corporation that doesn't care about them is baffling.

Rondras said:

Yeah the best for portability.. wait no.

The best in terms of graphics,sound,etc... wait no.

The best at being consumer friendly.. wait no.

The best in... wait, they aren't the best in anything.

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If you have the standard consoles, which the vast majority of consumers do, their version offers the best performance. On top of that, if you're interested in online and you don't have PS Plus or XBL Gold, or don't want to spend money on these subs, the PS4 version still let's you play for free, and still gives you top tier online features and options, unlike the archaic systems in place on the Switch or the XBL Gold requirement on the Xbox One. Finally, their system has by far the largest pool of players, so there's that too.

Point is, it's semantics. It could easily be argued their system is the best to play the game depending on what factors you're talking about.

nib95 said:

If you have the standard consoles, which the vast majority of consumers do, their version offers the best performance. On top of that, if you're interested in online and you don't have PS Plus or XBL Gold, or don't want to spend money on these subs, the PS4 version still let's you play for free, and still gives you top tier online features and options, unlike the archaic systems in place on the Switch or the XBL Gold requirement on the Xbox One. Finally, their system has by far the largest pool of players, so there's that too.

Point is, it's semantics. It could easily be argued their system is the best to play the game depending on what factors you're talking about.

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Yep, if you ignore the other hardware, Sony's is the best. All you have to do is close your eyes and pretend.

Russell said:

Is Sony still locking fortnite accounts?

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I still can't use my Fortnite account on Switch because I dared play on PS4 once, so yes.

DOMO GYU said:

As of this gen, it's true what this man says, if you care about multiplayer on consoles. The chances of your friends being on PSN are higher, than your friends being on XBL or Nintendo Network and that makes it factually the best place to play multiplayer games.
As of all this "anti-consumer" gibberish, this anti-consumer-bullshit that MS was trying to pull on us with their initial idea of the Xbox One is what gave Sony the power that allows them not to open their system for crossplay today. Calling it arrogance is just fat-headed, it's just business. And I guarantee you, in case MS will take the lead next gen again, they will do a lot more anti-consumer shit than you even could imagine. All companies are greedy, that's how it works, but MS has the history of being one of the greedies one. They are not your friends, crossplay is not a gift.

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The amount of delusion in this post....far too much

nib95 said:

If you have the standard consoles, which the vast majority of consumers do, their version offers the best performance. On top of that, if you're interested in online and you don't have PS Plus or XBL Gold, or don't want to spend money on these subs, the PS4 version still let's you play for free, and still gives you top tier online features and options, unlike the archaic systems in place on the Switch or the XBL Gold requirement on the Xbox One. Finally, their system has by far the largest pool of players, so there's that too.

Point is, it's semantics. It could easily be argued their system is the best to play the game depending on what factors you're talking about.

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That's a whole lot of "ifs."

• If you have the standard console
• If you play online & don't want to sub to PS+/XBL

And then you talk about largest pool of players like that is some bonus talking point when the Switch and especially Xbox has a very healthy matchmaking userbase. It takes the same amount of time to enter a match or find people on Xbox in comparison to PS4, and LFG actually makes it even easier on Xbox.

Lastly, certain games like Minecraft and Rocket League prove that PS4 doesn't always have the "largest pool of players," despite the large userbase gap.

Carolina Reaper said:

Yep, if you ignore the other hardware, Sony's is the best. All you have to do is close your eyes and pretend.

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Lmao, yep.

Zafir said:

I still can't use my Fortnite account on Switch because I dared play on PS4 once, so yes.

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What about pc/mobile?

Carolina Reaper said:

Yep, if you ignore the other hardware, Sony's is the best. All you have to do is close your eyes and pretend.

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Except it's not like that at all, it's talking about the experience 80%+ gamers who own these consoles will have. Ultimately PS4 Pro and One X users still represent a minority, not just in terms of total users (by a huge margin), but new sales too. People on this forum seem to routinely forget that.

nib95 said:

Except it's not like that at all, it's talking about the experience 80%+ gamers who own these consoles will have. Ultimately PS4 Pro and One X users still represent a minority, not just in terms of total users (by a huge margin), but new sales too. People on this forum seem to routinely forget that.

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If you have to twist yourself that tightly into a knot to defend your favorite corporation, you're part of the problem. Seek help.

Rondras said:

Yeah the best for portability.. wait no.

The best in terms of graphics,sound,etc... wait no.

The best at being consumer friendly.. wait no.

The best in... wait, they aren't the best in anything.

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Then why are they currently on their way to maybe 120+mill all time ps4 sales?

Carolina Reaper said:

If you have to twist yourself that tightly into a knot to defend your favorite corporation, you're part of the problem. Seek help.

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It's not twisting anything, it's the reality of the situation. If you have an aversion to reality and logic, perhaps you should take your own advice?

yuoke said:

Then why are they currently on their way to maybe 120+mill all time ps4 sales?

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What does that have to do with what he said and why are you using that as a defense for what he said?

Next gen is going to be very interesting.

SuperFakerBros said:

What does that have to do with what he said and why are you using that as a defense for what he said?

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You can't have one of the highest selling systems ever for no reason. You don't have to like their crossplay decision and can lambast it, but downplaying the ps4 completely also sounds silly.