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jediyoshi

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And do you think everyone does the same?

For such a Zero tolerante forum, the naivety is outstanding
Those are some wide goal posts, what's the distinction you're making about people playing the games on real hardware? Can you cite any of your posts where you're flailing in Switch topics about how people should be buying their games?
 

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The Vita? Lol, it's because of lack of interest.
But wait, preserving software is independent from quality. So... I would say that there is a giant red flag that people are interested in Switch emulation more because it means attractive software for better prices. It may be legal, but we don't need to be stupid about true intentions.
 

treble

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I'm conflicted about current gen emulation.

I was a member of another board that had a big emulation community. They limited talk of emulation to one generation behind current, when it became more difficult to purchase new copies of games. I always thought that was a fair compromise.

If you believe emulation is a great way to keep games alive, like I do, there should be space for developers to make sales on their platform of choice. Emulation on a current gem platform, where sales are readily available, can erode potential sales on that platform.

There is time - however small - involved in porting a game to any given platform. Not to mention the right for a creative person or collective to profit on their intellectual property. When these games are still readily available from the publisher or digital download, it's a different argument than when they are obscure or hard to find after a period of time. At that point, the preservation argument rings more true to me. Your opinion may differ.

I am open to data that shows the majority of switch "emulators" using home brew or commercially available tools to copy their cartridges, but I'm not sure I believe people who have a switch are investing in the tools necessary to dump these carts just so they can play them on their PCs. That's just my personal opinion, open to being changed with evidence - I'm not saying I'm 100% certain. If that's the case, there's a chance they are downloading illegal dumps.

The argument that people would just buy a switch and the low cost part that enables piracy instead of emulation is a bit disingenuous. This is a gaming enthusiast forum, full of people who upgrade their gaming rigs on a regular basis. Just look at the reaction to the recent ray tracing footage to see that upgrade drive in action. For many enthusiast PC gamers, switch emulation is a reality, only mitigated by their personal perspectives on current gen piracy. Many people have gaming PCs, and the opportunity cost for setting up a current gen emulator like this is near nil.

I'm not calling out the mods or any posters with this post. I just hope that it enables a wider discussion about this topic on a board where I value both community and developer input :)
 
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The Vita? Lol, it's because of lack of interest.
But wait, preserving software is independent from quality. So... I would say that there is a giant red flag that people are interested in Switch more because it means attractive software for better prices. It may be legal, but we don't need to be stupid about true intentions.
They are talking about Nintendo hardware.

Also ignore the fact that hacking a switch is the better alternative for pirating because it is cheaper and easier to do than buying a very powerful pc which costs much more. Emulating is much harder to do than hacked switch so how exactly is it making pirating easier?
 

FriendlyNPC

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It never fails to impress how quickly some of these projects move forward when all the variables are right and it will be interesting to see how the current pace changes with larger roadblocks appearing and gains getting smaller. Compability with the software library is another big grind that may affect development speed in the future.
 

Boy Wander

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How do you prove any of this? Build a parallel universe and compare sales data?

You can't prove it either way but my point is that those that play pirates roms on emulators for modern systems aren't necessarily the same people that would have bought the console and games in the first place. Having said that, I do think emulation of modern systems is more dodgy ground than emulation of legacy systems.
 

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They are talking about Nintendo hardware.

Also ignore the fact that hacking a switch is the better alternative for pirating because it is cheaper and easier to do than buying a very powerful pc which costs much more. Emulating is much harder to do than hacked switch so how exactly is it making pirating easier?
How about reading the thread I replied to?
The question was why a Vita emulator isn't available yet in this quality. Citing hardware power is just idiotic in this case. Vita is both less powerful and older than Switch. So there must be an ulterior motif, don't you think?

If an emulator gets preferrential treatment because of the system's popularity, I think we must rule out game preservation as the driving factor behind the development.

Gaming preservation is a very happy side effect but we don't need to be stupid about what people really do with it.
 

JahIthBer

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Impressive, but i wouldn't at all blame Nintendo if they sent down the good ol C&D on this, maybe a bit too early for Switch emulation. Also surprised Nvidia hardware is getting emulated so early, they tend to keep documentation close to their chest.
 
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