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PM of Israel: "The weak crumble, are slaughtered and are erased from history"
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If you ever visit the Munich Documentation Centre for the History of National Socialism you'll be hard pressed not to see some parallels with current Israeli policies. And not just Israel, mind you, there are more countries walking a dangerous path. And this isn't about the 1940-1945 years, but the give or take 20 years before that.
so Israelis who get killed in attacks have it coming because no one will assassinate Netanyahu? jesus christ dude
Hoping this is just one mod because if not...
This is the litteral lowest it's ever gotten here. Especially when people get banned in other topics for not calling just simple centrists Nazis, let alone actual governmental parties engaging in apartheid policies.
Not saying the Nazi comparison is apt at all but come on now. No one mentioned all jews in the banned posts. They're very obviously talking about the government and the specific people running it.
This is the litteral lowest it's ever gotten here. Especially when people get banned in other topics for not calling just simple centrists Nazis, let alone actual governmental parties engaging in apartheid policies.
Not saying the Nazi comparison is apt at all but come on now. No one mentioned all jews in the banned posts. They're very obviously talking about the government and the specific people running it.
Had Germany not attacked its neighbours and had instead committed the holocaust on German Jews within their borders, do you believe the allies would have lifted a single finger to intervene? Certain allied countries (USA chief amongst them) turned away Jewish refugee ships fleeing Europe.
I usually avoid commenting on the decisions of the moderation team, and I understand that it's not an easy job, but in this case I feel compelled to respectfully give my opinion on the subject. I think most people aren't really equating Jews to Nazis, as stated in the ban messages. I think people are equating the actions of the Israeli government to the actions of the Nazi regime. The State of Israel as we know it was created in the aftermath of the Second World War, not only but also because of the atrocities committed by the Nazi regime. And now we see the Israeli government engage in remarkably similar actions. The government of a country created in the aftermath of an atrocity perpetuated by another regime is pretty much doing the same to the Palestinian people. Even the rhetoric is similar. It's a fucked up analogy, because it's a fucked up situation. This should never happen anywhere in the world - but to happen there is just... mind-boggling. And I think that's where it comes from, that easy comparison. It's not about anti-semitism, or at least I hope it's not about that. Personally, it feels more like "at least this government should know better than that".
Now, regarding the comments made by Netanyahu, it's just shameful that he's using that kind of rhetoric. It's also scary as fuck, and I hope that Israel finds better leadership in the future.
Now, regarding the comments made by Netanyahu, it's just shameful that he's using that kind of rhetoric. It's also scary as fuck, and I hope that Israel finds better leadership in the future.
Wow, you're a literal reader. I meant shut him up as in, remove him, preferably in a democratic fashion :p
What exactly are you suggesting?
I don't see hate in this thread but rather people concerned about justice. Human rights violations both in rhetoric and action don't deserve to be brushed aside because of the possibility of false equivalency.
Israel, its policies and its allies have led to the death of Palestinians. This is not in dispute. What we can dispute and debate is the % of explicit and implicit culpability each actor is guilty of.
I stand firmly in the camp that believes Isreal as a nation on the global stage acts in bad faith.
I get that and I ultimately decided to avoid to make the comparison myself, but the onus should fall first on Israel on not being an apartheid ethnostate attempting a genocide
so what of the people who didn't vote for him? fuck them too i guess, right?
Are Hydra comparisons ok? How about Frieza and his army? Darth Vader?
Look, it should go without saying that noone here is shitting on the ENTIRE nation, just a good chunk of the power drunk leaders that run it. Not sure what's going on with moderation here :/
Look, it should go without saying that noone here is shitting on the ENTIRE nation, just a good chunk of the power drunk leaders that run it. Not sure what's going on with moderation here :/
Ah yes let's go full on hyperbole, very constructive. I already explained my posts, I suggest you read up on that.
Political Zionism has run its course. It doesn't have any answers to current problems that will not perpetuate the conflicts of today into infinity. One day someone from the abused will have enough, will snap and commit something dreadful just because the right, and unfortunately also the Zionist left, had to have their way.
Then by all means, explain it. At this rate, Era might have to ban like half the users on the whole site.
Like... I used to moderate a forum, and can tell why this rule would have gotten grandfathered in, years past. The thing is, antisemites love to make a comparison between Zionism (as a cover word for Jewish people in general) and Nazis as a way to equate the victimizers with their victims, and as a way to covertly promote antisemitism. I had actual people engaging in this strategy until they started posting antisemtic caricatures and kinda showed their true colors.
That being said-- that shit was like six years ago. Israel's treatment of, and rhetoric towards, Palestinians as an underclass in an apartheid state has worsened dramatically, and it is very clear to people who want to see that they are moving in the direction of rank and unabashed genocide if trends don't change. The demographics of people using that comparison have shifted and I don't think it's a dog whistle anymore. In fact, that should be clear to everyone-- in fact, it is clear to most moderation, I suspect, which is why we see these actions being taken inconsistently.
I understand why mods don't want to apply an element of transparency to this situation-- there's an impulse to circle the wagons, particularly when someone is otherwise an effective moderator. What's more, there's a genuine concern with what repercussions demoderating someone would have in response to public outcry, particularly here where there's alt-righters constantly complaining about a hivemind and "just a difference of opinion." In this case, though, someone's caping for a genocidal regime by tying them implicitly to a whole ethnicity and that remains pretty clear-cut and obvious to dozens of ERA regulars. Maybe... maybe something ought to be done about that.
That being said-- that shit was like six years ago. Israel's treatment of, and rhetoric towards, Palestinians as an underclass in an apartheid state has worsened dramatically, and it is very clear to people who want to see that they are moving in the direction of rank and unabashed genocide if trends don't change. The demographics of people using that comparison have shifted and I don't think it's a dog whistle anymore. In fact, that should be clear to everyone-- in fact, it is clear to most moderation, I suspect, which is why we see these actions being taken inconsistently.
I understand why mods don't want to apply an element of transparency to this situation-- there's an impulse to circle the wagons, particularly when someone is otherwise an effective moderator. What's more, there's a genuine concern with what repercussions demoderating someone would have in response to public outcry, particularly here where there's alt-righters constantly complaining about a hivemind and "just a difference of opinion." In this case, though, someone's caping for a genocidal regime by tying them implicitly to a whole ethnicity and that remains pretty clear-cut and obvious to dozens of ERA regulars. Maybe... maybe something ought to be done about that.
It is and has been our policy that making comparisons between Jews and Nazis or Israel and Nazi Germany is one which we will not allow to be made here, due to the Holocaust. Nazism is a concept rooted and indivorcible from antisemitism, which makes these comparisons inappropriate. We understand that many of you disagree with this policy, but it is not something which is up for discussion. This thread is being closed because it is no longer about the topic at hand. If you would like to restart this thread, you may. However, this policy will apply in any future thread, and any future threads which devolve into discussions of the policy will also be closed.
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