Kushner and Trump all but blessed the genocide with their move to stop funding relief efforts to the Palestinian people so of course he gets more brazen about it cause he knows no one can stop him with daddy America patting him on the head.
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PM of Israel: "The weak crumble, are slaughtered and are erased from history"
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Kushner and Trump all but blessed the genocide with their move to stop funding relief efforts to the Palestinian people so of course he gets more brazen about it cause he knows no one can stop him with daddy America patting him on the head.
The US cutting off military aid and UN support for Israel would make Bibi change his tune pretty quickly. He's a bully whose bravado comes from standing in the shadow of his parent.
If the state of Israel doesn't want to be compared to Nazis, they should probably stop acting like the damn Nazis.
If the state of Israel doesn't want to be compared to Nazis, they should probably stop acting like the damn Nazis.
It is generally held by the Israeli right that the only way to prevent another Holocaust is for the Jewish state to remain militarily powerful enough to defend itself against external enemies because they can't rely on anyone else to save them. The latter part is, in all honestly, not an unreasonable lesson to take from the Holocaust, the massacres of Jews that continued in liberated Europe, and many other genocides throughout history. That said, I think the idea that the prevention of another Holocaust requires the oppression and abuse of the Palestinian people is clearly wrong and morally odious.
And strip 200M in aid from Palestinian refuges. We know what side the US is on here...
And I don't know if arguing the semantics of his tweet to determine it's correctness is helpful. The fact that this man made that tweet while his state is butchering other people should be enough to condemn him and the tweet.
The classic Kim Jong-un defense.
Bibi showing everyone that he has the minerals to stand with the best of em.
Massive cunt. Him, his cabinet, his general staff and every lapdog US president that backs this should be in the Hague on trial for crimes again humanity
Yeah, that means the only thing you've learned from the past is violence and you besmirch the memory of every single Jewish person and others who suffered under the Nazis.
They're a fucking disgrace (the Jewish state, should anyone try to conflate my words with some notion that I view every Jewish person like this). No just everyone in Israel who supports this genocide. They can all go fuck themselves.
Israel is not really a state you can straightforwardly call an authoritarian state. Whilst it is undoubtedly authoritarian (to put it mildly) towards Palestinians, press freedom is a thing there, for example.
Something to consider is what are we specifically defining as "anti-Israel" here. "Anti-Israeli-Government" is different from "Anti-Entire-Country" or "Anti-Israeli-Jews".
I would hope that nobody here would be for the destruction of the state of Israel, for example, but that would be an "anti-Israel" policy.
Folks need to watch their language to prevent Bibi etc from weaseling out of the abhorrent acts his government is responsible for.
I see a lot of distancing themselves from this idea in this thread. I see a lot of people practically disagreeing with the message. I see nobody with practical, historical examples of the opposite to disprove the statement.
yeah, we should totally embrace that idea in the twenty first century! Especially when it comes from a genocidal state.
nobody is arguing that if israel was a pacifist country that they be allowed to exist in peace unassailed by aggressors. But at the same time there are dozens if not hundreds of countries that manage to not be at war with each other at any given time.
People are trying to resolve these comments with the Israel's inhumane treatment of Palestinians. But you knew that.
As a thought experiment (and I actually agree in sentiment, but I don't think enough people have given this a think themselves), what do you think Israel would be risking if it de-militarised?
There is always a nightmare scenario where the State of Israel gets dissolved by an invading coalition of surrounding states - a geo-political situation Israel has to deal with regardless of its treatment of Palestinians.
So the necessity is that Israel's defense doctrine is to invest in a strong military and make sure the rest of the Middle East knows it is not afraid to use it. I'd wager Bibi's comments come from that sentiment, but as he and his government are fruitcakes it morphs into something that sounds like something Gadaffi or Saddam would have said.
Press freedom is a thing there but that's not really telling the whole story as they rank 87 on the World Press Freedom Index. They give reasons if you're interested rsf.org/en/israel
Israel needs to be a thing, but this isn't it...
I actually read that exact page prior to posting. Israel does have a free press, protected constitutionally. It also has free and fair elections and whatnot.
The issue is the government and the abuse of Palestinians rather than some structural fault with the Israeli state, basically. Hence why being "anti-Israel" to me is a bit of a silly thing to say. Having extreme issues with the government is probably a closer descriptor to what most people here and elsewhere mean when they say "screw Israel" or whatever, but articulating a thought correctly means avoiding getting anywhere near close to being anti-semitic.
It makes some sense that Israel is paranoid about its strong neighbors. It makes far less sense that they are viciously eradicating the ethnic minorities that exist within their own borders that pose no significant threat to them at all. Because it's not done out of paranoia about their security, it's done out of an effort to be an ethnostate.
I don't see people saying to demilitarize Israel. I do see people saying they shouldn't throw non-Jews in ghettos and collectively punish them when some people try and resist.
That's the sort of public statement that someone who deserves to be forgotten by history makes...
that's actually a dangerous thought, we should always remember those who are responsible for great atrocities
A sentiment I agree with, but that has little to do with Bibi's Dr Doom speech that is technically the topic of this thread.
you can't divorce israel's treatment of palestinians from his speech. that's kind of the point.
Could you elaborate further on this? To me the question of Israel's wider security issues and the Israel-Palestine problem are by-and-large two seperate topics. Israel could be living next to lots of risk-free neighbours and repress Palestinians, or secure lasting peace with Palestinians and still face severe security concerns in the wider Middle East.
I doubt it, they have a very strong military and honestly all of the neighboring countries are too deep in their own shit and are in no way willing to wage a war against israel to help out the Palestinians.
What the hell is this? Being strong and being evil are two separate things. You can be strong without committing atrocities on a daily basis. What he is saying is that the Palestinians deserve all the shit that happens to them because they are weaker.
If that logic was right then nations would've made peace with the Nazis and the Jews would've been erased.
because Israel see's it's treatment of it's borders as a security issue and Palestine is inherently a border issue. They're not separate topics. When he talks about being strong to survive, you have to presume that he's talking about their actions and policy regarding Palestinians in addition to the surrounding states.
Well it's not like Israel has been hiding their true feelings. Just the absolute worst.
They could try, but I don't see how they possibly could.
They could try, but I don't see how they possibly could.
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This sounds very much like Nazi Germany. But there is some truth to this. Specially since many powerful people in history that understand this also practice it. I hope Israel's neighbors get powerful one day. The Israeli regime is one of the most dangerous in the world. Palestine is facing the Israeli problem right now. Jordan, Syria and Lebanon will face it in the future.
It's not. These people did not live through the holocaust. Most of their ancestors did. Bibi sure as hell is not a holocaust survivor.
Not really. It's more that Israel learned that brute strength is the only way to maintain an ethnostate after expelling hundreds of thousands of people from their homeland.
If they really are on the security through force yes their next logical move after dealing with Gaza would be to expand their borders. Reminds me of the motiles from the commonwealth saga that where so afriad of others they exterminated all life at such a rate a more advanced civilisation put up a dyson barrier to keep them from spreading.
It's sickening that they're so transparent about ethnic cleansing, and it's even worsened by that they were victims of the very same thing less than a century ago yet they're doing it anyway
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Right, by committing atrocities in the same manner as it once something very evil did to themselves.
So the mindset they grew after surviving the Holocaust is to perform Holocaust on another group of people.
They're so transparent about it because almost nobody is willing to call them out for it, let alone do anything to stop them. A people are slowly being systematically exterminated and nobody wants to acknowledge it.
Robbing a people of their home and then trying to exterminate them is not struggling for survival
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And that gives them the execuse to murder other blameless people that had nothing to do with thei holocaust, steal their land and homes, and make their lives a miserable hell for more than 50 years?
Well I guess he got empowered to say such a thing because the US will always be ready to eat shit the moment he asked them to.
Even the 'good guys' Democrats are more than willing to participate in all the shit eating.
Even the 'good guys' Democrats are more than willing to participate in all the shit eating.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1948_Palestinian_exodus
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_refugees
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_settlement
There is a reason Netanyahu is taking this stance, and it isn't because of historical (or modern) antisemitism.
He's not taking his wife getting indicted nor his failure to wiggle out of investigations into his own dirty work too well, is he?
Israel's people didn't just seize their land without tons of help. At this moment they are incredibly weak and would be quickly destroyed if not for constant billions of dollars from each and every weak taxpayer.
The weak make the weak strong because someone weak of mind makes them do so.
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It is so sad that it has come to this.
Sad because Jews know the suffering they suffered
Reality says they should learn from history
At least realize that these words mimic past terrors
Events like this speech should be condemned
Losing your history is one way this thinking occurs
Now I hope Israelis realize this and condemn this
At least show the world that they are agaisnt this
Zealots should never become leaders like Netanyahu
It is high time all Israelis realize this
So that's my thought on all this
Sad because Jews know the suffering they suffered
Reality says they should learn from history
At least realize that these words mimic past terrors
Events like this speech should be condemned
Losing your history is one way this thinking occurs
Now I hope Israelis realize this and condemn this
At least show the world that they are agaisnt this
Zealots should never become leaders like Netanyahu
It is high time all Israelis realize this
So that's my thought on all this
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