I don't think we live in the middle ages (in some sense I think it is much worse). I don't think Palestinians warrent ethnic cleansing. My comment didn't really target that at all. I was trying to bring forth the viewpoint that his statement, in my view, is very accurate provided you pick a timescale slightly longer than an election cycle or two.Europe. I have an honest question: Do you still think we're in the Middle Ages? What kind of threat do the Palestinians pose that warrants ethnic cleansing?
How is that banworthy though? Just because he leads Israel? The guy literally supports war crimes!Careful. Those are ban worthy comparisons!
Sounds a bit more Kruschevy though
Welcome to the driving motivation of the Israeli right wing. You can draw a lot of conclusions after centuries or even millenia of constant persecution, progroms, and the Holocaust. The Israeli right concluded that the only way to protect yourself is to be strong, because strong enemies are always going to come for you and no-one is going to protect you but yourself.
To a degree, they're pretty much right about that. No one ever saved the Jews. Not that it in any way excuses the atrocities the Israeli right commit themselves.
This is the smartest take in this thread. Israel is this way because they learned, for better or worse, that brute strength is ultimately the only guaranteed way of survival. That's the mindset they grew after the holocaust - survival at all costs, even if that means committing atrocities. I'm not justifying it, but I understand it.
This is the smartest take in this thread. Israel is this way because they learned, for better or worse, that brute strength is ultimately the only guaranteed way of survival. That's the mindset they grew after the holocaust - survival at all costs, even if that means committing atrocities. I'm not justifying it, but I understand it.
Eh, the principle is pretty strong going on historical evidence. The "killing" will start soon enough, but you are talking about the types of events that removes entire populations and reshapes regions / countries so you have to allow for a slightly different timescale than the one you are used to account for in your private life.If the world is only fit for the strongest, then there are many weak countries out there that we should be killing right now.
Came in to say just this. A lot of people replying seem to believe Bibi is being evil for the sake of it. He isn't Trump. His actions are despicable but his point of view comes directly from learning the cynical lessons of the holocaust: that in this dog eat dog world you have to do whatever it takes to survive and trust no one.
If the world is only fit for the strongest, then there are many weak countries out there that we should be killing right now.
Bibi can be understood as someone suffering from post traumatic paranoia. He genuinely believes his country is under a constant existential threat.Defending yourself in a war and having a strong military is one thing. Killing civilians and continually displacing them is another.
What he learned was "when the shit hits the fan nobody will look out for the Jews so we better damn well be prepared to do it ourselves."so the lessons he learned was "hey Hitler was onto something"? i think this is just fear mongering, he knows what he is doing. just an evil man looking out for #1
Bibi can be understood as someone suffering from post traumatic paranoia. He genuinely believes his country is under a constant existential threat.
Netanyahu may be the head of state but ascribing his "survival via ethnic cleansing" worldview to the entire Israeli population is wrong.This is the smartest take in this thread. Israel is this way because they learned, for better or worse, that brute strength is ultimately the only guaranteed way of survival. That's the mindset they grew after the holocaust - survival at all costs, even if that means committing atrocities. I'm not justifying it, but I understand it.
Eh, the principle is pretty strong going on historical evidence. The "killing" will start soon enough, but you are talking about the types of events that removes entire populations and reshapes regions / countries so you have to allow for a slightly different timescale than the one you are used to account for in your private life.
Bibi's vision of self-defense being overly extreme and morally bankrupt was my pointStrong countries don't need to waste resources killing the weak. Bibi is obviously way too extreme about his vision of defense (and that is how he sees it), but the quote in the OP has been proven time and time again through history. Ultimately, when shit hits the fan like it did in WW2 and times before that, strength is literally all that matters. Bibi has an unending need to project strength at all times, even if that means killing civilians in the process. He is a morally bankrupt person, but morals didn't matter during the holocaust.
Turns out a far-right nationalist party that came in part fromthese guysaren't actually the good guys!!
Netanyahu may be the head of state but ascribing his "survival via ethnic cleansing" worldview to the entire Israeli population is wrong.
Era and Gaf are PRO ISRAEL like any other American forum.
This is the smartest take in this thread. Israel is this way because they learned, for better or worse, that brute strength is ultimately the only guaranteed way of survival. That's the mindset they grew after the holocaust - survival at all costs, even if that means committing atrocities. I'm not justifying it, but I understand it.
What would have happened in the various Arab-Israeli wars if the IDF had completely collapsed and the Arab armies were able to advance unchecked?
Sure, as a side effect of the war against Nazi Germany. Not as a goal in any way, shape or form. Concentration camps never factored into the Allied war planning, liberating them was somewhat of an afterthought as they advanced into Nazi held territory. The US was putting a lot of efforts into turning away Jewish refugees even as the war progressed.
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/hist...ugees-fearing-they-were-nazi-spies-180957324/
If Hitler had kept the holocaust within Germany and held off invading other countries until after he was done, the Allies would probably had let him finish it.
So that hypothetical is good enough for systemic genocide?What would have happened in the various Arab-Israeli wars if the IDF had completely collapsed and the Arab armies were able to advance unchecked?
Comparing Israel to the Nazis is literally the definition of anti-Semitism according to the International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance.
https://www.holocaustremembrance.com/working-definition-antisemitism
Whilst I don't agree with it, I feel like everyone that has made those comparisons should be banned immediately lest ResetEra be thought of as an anti-Semitic site.
Something worse than genocide?What would have happened in the various Arab-Israeli wars if the IDF had completely collapsed and the Arab armies were able to advance unchecked?
Supposed to? I know the talking point but which nations is actually pursuing this? There might be a few minor nations in a temporary geopolitical advantaged situation, but bwyobe that I can't really see much of this In practice.He's not wrong. It's historically accurate. It's not the way a modern, civilised nation should conduct itself however
Israel has been doing it's share of slaughtering and erasing in the last few years. Modern, civilised nations are supposed to stop that it's cycle
Wow, thanks for the lesson. That was definitely not how it was presented in US history class.
final paragraph of Varian Fry's 1942 report said:The little country of Switzerland will [by accepting 9000 Jewish refugees from Nazi terror since July] have contributed more to the cause of humanity than the great and wealthy United States, it's loud declamations about the rights of people and the defense of liberty notwithstanding.
Yet the article, which referred to "the greatest massacre in the world's history", was published on the fifth page of a six-page issue. And it got no traction elsewhere.
Comparing Israel to the Nazis is literally the definition of anti-Semitism according to the International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance.
https://www.holocaustremembrance.com/working-definition-antisemitism
Whilst I don't agree with it, I feel like everyone that has made those comparisons should be banned immediately lest ResetEra be thought of as an anti-Semitic site.
so the lessons he learned was "hey Hitler was onto something"? i think this is just fear mongering, he knows what he is doing. just an evil man looking out for #1
I really hate to use WWII/Nazi comparisons in debate, since it's such a lazy argument. But at this point, what else can you say?
Oh yeah, I get that angle.
But that speech is pretty Nazi-ish, I mean, it's hard to deny. :lol
so is it ok to make certain historical comparisons at this point?
HERE IS A FUN PARTY GAME: Adolf or Bibi????
who could it be
i wonder
such an exciting mind twister!
Err.
Comparing Israel to the Nazis is literally the definition of anti-Semitism according to the International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance.
https://www.holocaustremembrance.com/working-definition-antisemitism
Whilst I don't agree with it, I feel like everyone that has made those comparisons should be banned immediately lest ResetEra be thought of as an anti-Semitic site.