Ahem, Brook's acting is superb and not over done at all. That was what you call PASSION and EMOTION. If you watch the Captains interviews with Shatner you'd know how insane and philosophicaly beyond most humans Brooks is.
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Star Trek Franchise |OT| To Boldly Go.....
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Cool, thanks for the writeup, I'm sold on B5. I actually watched BSG but didn't make it to the end, I got burnt out a few episodes into the last season.
This squandered potential is why Moore left Voyager to do BSG, which has an extremely similar premise if you look past the Skinjobs and Toasters.
How Year In Hell wasn't a full season I'll never know....damn it.
... This is also me. I've never liked BSG particularly. Love DS9 and B5 though.
Yeah that always feels like a massive missed opportunity with Voyager. The second episode less so but the first part of Year of Hell was brilliant.
Never finished BSG, got to about season 3 and when the religious stuff took over I had to stop. Never cared to go back and finish.
It was apparently intended to be, and it makes me sad that it never happened.
I only ever read it was supposed to be a season finale but then replaced with Scorpion.
Year In Hell not being a full season can likely be exclusively laid at the feet of Rick Berman. He was scourge on the franchise moving forward near the end and was more concerned with local stations being able to show Trek out of order in syndication than in storytelling.
You know, I'm sure I read somewhere it was intended to be a full season, but I can't find it anywhere.
Maybe I dreamed it. Fuck.
I'm glad it wasn't a full season, especially with it being undone at the end. I'd have been supremely pissed off at an entire season being essentially pointless narratively speaking.
The idea worked badly for Enterprise season 3, that could/should have been half a season at most.
The idea worked badly for Enterprise season 3, that could/should have been half a season at most.
Probably for the best. BSG is widely regarded to have flubbed it's ending. I have no opinion on the ending, as I never made it that far. Can't remember exactly where I stopped.
Ditto.
Laga, you better not be badmouthing Enterprise Season 3. You and I could fall out, you know.
Yeah once it got to the part where Baltar had that harem of women in his room, I tuned right out. It really started dragging at that point.
It started breaking down after the New Caprica arc, as it became focused on the "Final Five" and the show went into the weeds and lost its way. At any rate, I thought the better ending was "Revelations" -- it would've been a fitting end given the series' tone.
Brooks is quite airy and strange in his off-screen persona...even his co-stars attest to this, but I never thought he was too weird in his role as Sisko
I've been watching Voyager (utterly out of order, just picking episodes at random based on plot synopsis). I think I've watched maybe 2/5th of the whole run by now when you put it all together.
I think having heard how it was utter horseshit for years has worked in it's favour since my expectations are low and I am cherry picking all the best regarded episodes so I'm actually more or less enjoying the show. I can't be bothered going into detail about it just now - there will be decades of my life for that.....but yeah, Voyager isn't a terrible thing to watch if you have watched DS9 and TNG to death and want more of that sort of thing.
The only thing that really bothers me is the amount of technobabble is off the fucking charts. In TNG, it at least felt like the technobabble was part of the plot - even if it was nonsensical rubbish that added nothing to a scene - but in VOY I can actually feel the writers going 'shit this script came up 5 pages short uhhh.....' *scribbles something about inverting the polarity of the shield manifold to compensate for the gravimetric radiation*.
I think having heard how it was utter horseshit for years has worked in it's favour since my expectations are low and I am cherry picking all the best regarded episodes so I'm actually more or less enjoying the show. I can't be bothered going into detail about it just now - there will be decades of my life for that.....but yeah, Voyager isn't a terrible thing to watch if you have watched DS9 and TNG to death and want more of that sort of thing.
The only thing that really bothers me is the amount of technobabble is off the fucking charts. In TNG, it at least felt like the technobabble was part of the plot - even if it was nonsensical rubbish that added nothing to a scene - but in VOY I can actually feel the writers going 'shit this script came up 5 pages short uhhh.....' *scribbles something about inverting the polarity of the shield manifold to compensate for the gravimetric radiation*.
Who doesn't love technobabble? It's what makes Star trek so awesome.
Oh man, Gravimetric radiation. I've not seen Voyager in a looong while but this took me back lol
Have you seen Threshold? Yet that's the big question
I watched Voyager casually over the space of a few years and had an ok time. It was silly and camp in part but I still view it as traditional Trek of sorts. Was convinced I'd watched them all but I keep surprising myself when it pops up - like that 'Future time police and attempts to thwart a bomb' episode, I randomly stumbled over it years later
This is too damn true. So many plots were built on the technobabble, and there's so much of it. Technobabble problem causes technobabble solutions and then nothing else happens all episode. It was stupefying.
JMS has been peddling that shit since the 90s but it's obviously not true, there are a few superficial similarities but nothing major. JMS is unironically listing the main character being a commander instead of a captain and the female first officer but if the similarities end at rank and gender they aren't similar characters at all.
And considering Babylon 5 has many similarities to Lord of the Rings JMS shouldn't scream too loud about taking someone else's ideas, there's more proof that he did it than Paramount with DS9.
JMS really is insufferable, and his post B5 TV/movie stuff maxed out at "I guess that was OK".
Yeah if you are only on the first season just power through it and get to season 2, it's absolutely worth it (and yeah you got to watch it but it does become more enjoyable to watch the second time when you know where everything is going).
When I first watched Babylon 5 I quit part way through season 1 but eventually picked it up again and finished up season 1 and moved on to the rest of the show and I'm so glad I did.
BSG is not like Trek at all. I wouldnt refer to it as "fake" Trek. Its more space fantasy than pure sci-fi. It deals heavily with Gods, Religion, Chosen One motifs, etc.
It doesnt scratch the Trek itch like say Orville does. It is its own thing.
DS9 is not like BSG at all in plot or feel. BSG has little to do with Trek other than both being in space. DS9 still straddles the traditional Trek sci-fi line a lot more.
Babylon 9
I like all those shows too, but Lexx is very different, it's really quirky/weird too, and I also like Farscape a lot, those two shows are very different from Trek.
Yeah I love Trek but limiting your space based sci-fi to it is just needlessly limiting. So much great sci-fi out there. B9, BSG, Farscape, and even Orville are worth watching.
There's a pretty huge difference between being inspired by something massively influential like Lord of the Rings, and having actual physical records to prove that you pitched Paramount a show about a space station/port of call run by a heroic Commander and a hard-nosed female First Officer, dealing with heady subjects like war and religion and politics, only to have Paramount turn you away because they're not interested in that, and then turn right around and within a matter of days ask Rick Berman and Michael Piller to start work on creating a spinoff, centered around a space station, dealing with war and religion and politics, and maybe have a heroic Commander and a hard-nosed female First Officer...
JMS is in a better position than random viewers to judge the merits of his plagiarism complaints, because he knows how he described his show to Paramount.
There's a reason why studios won't accept unsolicited submissions from random fans, it's because they don't want to be accused of stealing your ideas. But JMS's pitch was not unsolicited. It was official. There are professional rules relating to what Paramount is able to "think up on their own" after meeting with someone like JMS and milling over his ideas. He has/had every right to sue Paramount over the similarities between B5 and DS9, but he didn't because he doesn't need the hassle, and because he respects Rick Berman and Michael Piller as fellow showrunners, and he knew that they would make the bulk of the show their own anyways, so he had no real desire to hurt DS9.
A corporation like Paramount doesn't need or deserve a defense force. If Paramount doesn't like what JMS is saying, they could always sue him for slander. And really, I only mentioned the shared DNA because I think they're both great shows and a fan of one show has a pretty good chance to be a fan of the other.
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Watching Star Trek IV right now and absolutely loving it. This is quickly becoming of my favourite movies ever.
One of those people isn't like the others.
One of those people isn't a Captain.
One of those people doesn't even have a Federation Commission.
I have a VHS of City on the Edge of Forever that came with my copy of Judgement Rites in one of those enormous old PC game boxes.
I remember when I was a kid we had a VHS pack of 8 TOS episodes from a dollar store. I didn't watch the whole lot of it, but I remember it contained The Galileo Seven, the salt creature episode and The Lazarus Alternative.
I didn't get TOS back then.
I didn't get TOS back then.
He gets one when he becomes Federation President though I suppose.