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Germany: after fatal stabbing, far right attacks foreign looking people in the streets

Johnny Blaze

Johnny Blaze

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Original article title is different but I feel like it really has not captured what the fuck happened on Sunday in Chemnitz, Saxony.

A street festival in the eastern German city of Chemnitz was canceled on Sunday, hours before it was supposed to conclude, after 800 people took to the streets to protest the death of a 35-year-old man.

The victim, said to be of German origin, was stabbed during an altercation that involved 10 people, several of whom were of "various nationalities," police sources said.

The brawl took place at around 3 a.m. local time (0100 UTC) on Sunday after the street festival closed on Saturday evening, and began with a verbal dispute. Aside from the victim, two men in their 30s were also stabbed and seriously injured, while two others, aged 22 and 23, were taken into custody
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After the stabbing 800 people organised on social media including a hooligan football group. AfD also urged supporters to take to the streets.

The mobilizations were spontaneous and are said to have originated by calls to demonstrate on social media. Among the groups that urged their supporters to take to the streets were the political party AfD, which is said to have gathered some 100 people on the streets. Bild reported that members of the right-wing "Kaotic Chemnitz" football group also were involved.
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Video footage on social media appeared to show protesters assaulting people they thought looked non-German, but that footage has not yet been verified.
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https://www.dw.com/en/germany-stabbing-leads-to-far-right-protest-in-chemnitz/a-45238738

This last part, while the footage is not verified in the DW article has also been mentioned plenty of times in German media.

Several media outlets, including the Bild tabloid, reported that some demonstrators Sunday had shouted "we are the people", "get lost" and "you're not welcome here" at those they took to be immigrants.

Prosecutors said Monday that police had arrested a 23-year-old Syrian man and an Iraqi man, 22, on suspicion they had stabbed to death the 35-year-old German man in an altercation in the early hours of Sunday.

"The investigation, especially into the motive, the details of the crime and the murder weapon continue," they said in a brief statement.

In the far-right riots that followed, some protesters used bottles to attack foreign-looking people, freelance journalist Johannes Grunert, who reports frequently on the far-right scene, told Spiegel Online.
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https://www.thelocal.de/20180827/ho...s-in-chemnitz-after-stabbing-at-city-festival
 
Muffin

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The police of Saxony is a fucking disgrace. Got only more apparent as the Monday went on.
 

tolerance4lyfe

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User Banned (Permanent): Troll account. Advocating violence and intolerance.
-It is common knowledge in Germany that asylum seekers whose application is denied (majority of all applicants) are literally allowed to stay in the country (not always but often)
-Even if they are criminals aka some of them
-Even if they are Islamists aka some of them
-This has been considered a dangerous development/oversight since quite a while
-After this stabbing by the heavily suspected Iraqi and Syrian it was revealed that the situation I described in the first point applies here (because of criminal history of the Syrian)
-People are pissed and start protesting because they conclude that the ones responsible for the attackers' presence in this country must be hanged

Without judging anyone here, literally wtf did you expect?

Things will get much worse. And it's not my fucking fault lmfao

tbh
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This state is a pathetic failure of incompetence and weakness. Even most leftists agree on that.
 
Rival

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Came back from Germany quite recently and... Immigration has not been kind to it.

There's a clear division honestly at times it was quite palpable
 

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tolerance4lyfe said:
-It is common knowledge in Germany that asylum seekers whose application is denied (majority of all applicants) are literally allowed to stay in the country (not always but often)
-Even if they are criminals aka some of them
-Even if they are Islamists aka some of them
-This has been considered a dangerous development/oversight since quite a while
-After this stabbing by the heavily suspected Iraqi and Syrian it was revealed that the situation I described in the first point applies here (because of criminal history of the Syrian)
-People are pissed and start protesting because they conclude that the ones responsible for the attackers' presence in this country must be hanged

Without judging anyone here, literally wtf did you expect?

Things will get much worse. And it's not my fucking fault lmfao

tbh
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This state is a pathetic failure of incompetence and weakness. Even most leftists agree on that.
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Read and re read this post.

Why would any of this be your fault?
 
Pomerlaw

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tolerance4lyfe said:
-It is common knowledge in Germany that asylum seekers whose application is denied (majority of all applicants) are literally allowed to stay in the country (not always but often)
-Even if they are criminals aka some of them
-Even if they are Islamists aka some of them
-This has been considered a dangerous development/oversight since quite a while
-After this stabbing by the heavily suspected Iraqi and Syrian it was revealed that the situation I described in the first point applies here (because of criminal history of the Syrian)
-People are pissed and start protesting because they conclude that the ones responsible for the attackers' presence in this country must be hanged

Without judging anyone here, literally wtf did you expect?

Things will get much worse. And it's not my fucking fault lmfao

tbh
b
h

This state is a pathetic failure of incompetence and weakness. Even most leftists agree on that.
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I would bet my left nut most of those little nazis are looking for reasons, which have no link with reality, to express their hatred.

"-This has been considered a dangerous development/oversight since quite a while"

For who? Be honest.

Mass immigration creates problems but I don't see how this can "explain" people turning into nazis.
 

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It was a brown man that died. Nice detail the media seems to miss.
There literally are white supremacists rioting because of a brown person dying.
 
Rival

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Westbahnhof said:
What has immigration done?
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I feel like this is a loaded question...

As I said the atmosphere has changed quite drastically, the locals treat the new arrivals with sometimes an open disdain and the new arrivals pay that back twice over.

Where I visited, in the outskirts of saarbrucken(sp?) there seemed to be an actual division between the two people
 
Westbahnhof

Westbahnhof

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Rival said:
I feel like this is a loaded question...

As I said the atmosphere has changed quite drastically, the locals treat the new arrivals with sometimes an open disdain and the new arrivals pay that back twice over.

Where I visited, in the outskirts of saarbrucken(sp?) there seemed to be an actual division between the two people
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Are you talking about refugees or immigrants? While I have a hard time believing that either group had such a profound effect, its especially hard to believe when we're talking about immigrants
 
sibarraz

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How big is nazism in today's germany? not only in the sense of being racists and all that stuff, but also in a way of proudly admiring the original nazis? Or for the most part the far right is "We don't like nazis, but...."
 
Westbahnhof

Westbahnhof

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sibarraz said:
How big is nazism in today's germany? not only in the sense of being racists and all that stuff, but also in a way of proudly admiring the original nazis? Or for the most part the far right is "We don't like nazis, but...."
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It's still illegal to do official nazi things, to wear nazi symbols, to deny the holocaust, and so on. So it's not exactly a popular hobby. You'll find more "proud nazis", wearing the symbols and proclaiming their nazi-ism, in other countries, I'd say.
But who knows how many would, if they could...
 
Rival

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Westbahnhof said:
Are you talking about refugees or immigrants? While I have a hard time believing that either group had such a profound effect, its especially hard to believe when we're talking about immigrants
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I haven't done a grand tour of Germany , so my comment is only about where I visited recently, in comparison to the last time I visited two years ago.

I also couldn't tell you if they were Immigrants or Refugees, I didn't stop to ask if I'm honest.
 
Dekuman

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Is this the same incident where police leaked the identity of the attacker to the far right groups?
 
Westbahnhof

Westbahnhof

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Rival said:
I haven't done a grand tour of Germany , so my comment is only about where I visited recently, in comparison to the last time I visited two years ago.


I also couldn't tell you if they were Immigrants or Refugees, I didn't stop to ask if I'm honest.
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It's a massive and important difference. Immigrants are permanent residents, and immigration has always been a thing.

Refugees, at least in theory, are temporary guests, victims fleeing from terrible things.
Tensions like you are describing are most likely due to a sudden influx of people of a different culture, in other words refugees.

It's really important not to mix them up.
I think that in general, it's best not to make statements of that magnitude (the one I initially quoted) without a large number of references. But mainly, the potential mix-up irked me.
 
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