...I have stated several times now that this is a dumb, terrible move.
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Star Citizen CitizenCon Live Stream behind a paywall this year [Update: not anymore]
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...I have stated several times now that this is a dumb, terrible move.
They mentioned the digital stream was an add on but does this pricing structure really mean you pay as much as an attendee upfront?
If so that's so bizarre.
True I saw you mention that the first time though trying to have it both ways by condemning this action while trying to shame people who haven't liked cig since a year after crowdfunding climaxed muddles your point.
What's the difference with the 200$ Blizzcon ticket for example?
https://blizzcon.com/en-gb/event-info/tickets/convention
Huh, that's so weird. There are some really bold people working on Star Citizen, that's for sure.
Well for one Blizzard's existence is not dependent of the money of people they're paywalling from.
For two Blizzard is a proven existence with plenty of highly acclaimed video games under their belt, both commercially and critically.
I'm not trying to shame people. I'll just call out bullshit when I see it - like when people call the game a scam.
If you've backed the project you should have access to the live stream for free.
Period. This is awful optics.
Period. This is awful optics.
So it's ok to do it if you've released several games before but not otherwise?
What about Eve Online and their 80$ pub crawl ticket? Or their 140$ conference ticket? They got livestream and digital tickets too...
https://www.eventbrite.com/e/eve-fanfest-2018-tickets-38384202182?aff=webnews#tickets
The keynote should be free for everybody not only backers, rest of the show can be posted later.
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This is argument? So it should be free, because its crowdfunded in comparison to Activision Blizzard that gets billions of dolars every year from their products?
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Dude, come on, even backers who basically helped make CIG's existence a reality are still getting paywalled over this. It's disrespectful as fuck for those people especially. Blizzard is not a crowdfunded company that relies on donations from people to exist, CIG basically requires money from people who supported their existence to get the latest update on the thing they're supporting.
And no, not interested in whataboutism. Even if whatever Eve Online or whatever other company are doing is wrong, it still doesn't make this magically right. It's shortsighted, and the near unanimous backlash this decision gets from their playerbase--just check their reddit--should tell you that this is not the right thing to do.
Because CIG wouldn't exist if not for the support of people they're now paywalling from. It's really bad optics no matter how you slice it.
I am honestly surprised--astounded, even--that there are people who are okay with this, to be honest, wow.
I'm not saying that what CIG is doing is right for some bits, just that you're applying double standards for it.
If it's a big corporation, it's apparently fine to pay more than if it's one depending on backers.
I've still yet to see how about the streaming for the main presentation is behind a paywall btw, and not just the small side ones.
Otherwise, the onvention prices are cheaper or similar to other events like those shown (Blizzcon, eve fanfest...). It's just weird to say "look at those prices!" in those cases and just show how either uninformed some are, or how disingenuous they are...
It's not that "it's a big corporation so it's okay", it's "CIG depends on the funds from backers to continue operating, and yet they stil see fit to paywall the backers to get something they're supposed to get for free." Get it? It's really disrespectful to people who funded their company and game that they're still required to pay still even when right now CIG is running with their money.
It's a really tone-deaf move to pull, especially since they need to have all the support they can get and right now they are still unproven that they are capable of delivering a finished product.
It seems like it could be a really good game but CIG are just being greedy and it is very off putting.
Why shouldnt anyone be ok with them charging for attending a live event where you are practically covered in terms of place and food and all presentations? I'm not talking about livestreaming, this is different topic and it would be also fine for everything except the Keynote.
This is standard for any conference.
I was being generous lol. It definitely should be free to everyone.
The backers having to pay seems like an extra kick to the nether region.
Oh then we are talking about different thing then, there's a miscommunication in there somewhere.
He was talking about the livestream, not a ticket to going to the keynote in person.
Having the events paywalled for people who didn't back the game? Fine. That's alright.
Having the events paywalled for your backers, when they essentially paid for the game to be made is a bad move.
Ok, its already changed. The keynote will be available to all with Star Citizen account.
https://robertsspaceindustries.com/spectrum/community/SC/forum/3/thread/citizencon-streaming
https://robertsspaceindustries.com/spectrum/community/SC/forum/3/thread/citizencon-streaming
I like how backers look at all these negative threads and instead of questioning their faith in the project they think "the Internet is prejudiced against Star Citizen!" just like Trump is saying google is prejudiced against him. There's a reason these threads pop up, guys. There's a reason one ex-SC investor is making a documentary series about all this on youtube.
Just like there are people who want their hated sports teams to lose. If SC fails it'll be because of CIG, not some people on the Internet.
Because there are only negative threads posted, all positive stuff stays in community section. People think its all bad, because they only see bad information that many times are misinformed.
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Do those sports fans want those teams to not exist? If so, they're just cunts. Like people in these threads who gleefully state that the game is a scam and that its failure is inevitable.
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It's a bit weird to read this. He talks about the increasing costs for the event, because he wants to do more with this years CitizenCon and expand it with increating costs. And he talks about being "fiscally responsible".
How about not doing these things, or at least keep them modest, and focus on finishing the initial game?
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Wtf is that tone? :)
Have fun reading through those:
https://www.resetera.com/threads/star-citizen-alpha-3-2-mining-rocks.7717/
https://www.resetera.com/threads/star-citizen-community-ot-long-term-investment.404/
Ps. There was free fly event last weekend due to Gamescom and it was not posted here ...
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I'm with you on that. I would prefer to have a live stream from their office.
Let me put it another way:
Is it stupid to put the main presentation behind a paywall (if true) instead of subscribers only for chat, and public for the rest? God yes.
Is it stupid to put other, smaller dev presentations behind a paywall? Not really, as it has no impact on the game's visibility and only fir fir the fans. That said it should be free for subscribers.
Is it stupid to make a 10$ digital bonus pack for those that couldn't make the trip? Or course not.
Are the prices for the physical event ridiculous? Lolno, but the ones complaining about it certainly are.
The price complaints are from people trying way too hard.
And again, is there any confirmation that the main keynote is behind a paywall (which would be ridiculous) or is that just the small ones?
Keynote was, it isnt anymore.
Also subscribers had access to the livestream for free. So basically you could subscribe for 10$ to get livestream access, still for keynote it was shitty.
These threads are just you guys posting screenshots and arguing whether a bigger ship will have an advantage over a smaller one. I'm asking what positive news there's been that's thread-worthy? Free weekend is a promotional event, kinda positive I guess but what else?
I'm not gonna walkthrough year of postings from ATV and RTV regarding different stuff from SC development. If you are interested, read some of those or watch some ATV and RTV, if not do not claim its all negative if you do not know.
Pretty much all RtV with Chris Roberts are worth watching as they give great inside of their development and design process.
Community stopped posting interesting stuff in new threads, because those threads were empty or filled with driveby posts. Its just not worth it.
You can, actually.
If you are a concierge, you have access to the stream for free. But you need to have already gave them 1k to even be a concierge so...
You're calling people cunts for not liking a videogame that you do. You need to step back and reassess your slavish devotement to this company who only see you as a money funnel.
I backed this a long time ago to the tune of $60, which isn't that big of a deal. That said, it is still a buggy mess even for basic flight actions, even walking around in your garage, mining is iffy, so the "positive" news doesn't really exist.
Frankly I just can't see the whole thing actually launching as a viable commercial product but I really hope I am wrong as I would love to play the SP part at least (well, of its good).
The livestream stupidity just seems like another Tuesday for Roberts and Co though so I can't even say I was surprised.
Good, thanks for the info.
And yeah, not only it was shitty, but hurt their chances at promoting the game.
