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andymcc

Member
Oct 25, 2017
26,309
Columbus, OH
Damn, that was quick.

Seems like she was trying to pull that "Words don't have meaning, only uses" kinda thing, and it backfired cause she didn't explain herself fully. The problem being that we all know how everyone else in the world interprets that word so you shouldn't be using it anyway because it adds more confusion, normalizes it's derogatory use, and makes other people do it too.

Like, if she were a white rapper saying she uses the N word all the time but that she's not a hateful person, I wouldn't be able to overlook that. But it's easier to overlook this because I'm not gay... and have used the word in the past too. Hell, I used it this morning responding to a text that my brother meant to send to his wife saying he "Loved her and hopes she has a great day at work." I responded with "LOL F______".

It's for that reason I can't really come down too hard on her. Because I did/do the same shit, and I know I'm not a bad guy. I just gotta make sure not to do that around any of my gay friends. There's only two of them, and one moved to Florida... but I know it's a hurtful word, and I know it's hypocritical of me to act one way about a slur towards me, and differently about a slur towards another minority.

I'm working on it.

stop being an asshole
 

tarantullama

Member
Oct 27, 2017
1,440
Uhh. If you're using that word, you actually -are- a bad guy. FFS it isn't hard not to drop a shitty hateful word. You said it to your brother because you think he's a "faggot" for being nice to his wife. Do you not understand how fucked that is?

It isn't about not saying it around people who might be offended, it's about removing the fucking hateful word in the first place.

I can see you say you're "working on it" but it shouldn't be -that- hard to not use it, unless you've got some latent desire to use it, just like you get white people aching to use the n-word.

Just don't say it.

Yup.

The whole, well I wouldn't say it around gay people! thing completely ignores the root issue of thinking lesser of gay people.

"I don't use it around gay people because I don't want them to know I think of their existence as something to be ridiculed!"
 

ninjabot

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
734
Uhh. If you're using that word, you actually -are- a bad guy. FFS it isn't hard not to drop a shitty hateful word. You said it to your brother because you think he's a "faggot" for being nice to his wife. Do you not understand how fucked that is?

Yeah. The thing that makes it easy to slip into my mindstate is that people often use profanity and derogatory/inflammatory remarks with their friends in jest. Like calling your friend an motherfucker or a dumbass. It makes it easier to slip into racial and homophobic slurs because you're used to not filtering your language in certain places, where you'd filter it in others.

Though I wasn't calling him that for loving his wife, I called him that for telling me (his brother) that he loves me and wants me to have a good day at work. That's the joke. That showing emotion is a feminine thing to do and thus, since he's a man, and he's feminine... he's gay.

It isn't about not saying it around people who might be offended, it's about removing the fucking hateful word in the first place.

I agree. That's the part I said I'm working on. I don't have to work on not saying it around gay people because I don't say it around gay people.

I can see you say you're "working on it" but it shouldn't be -that- hard to not use it, unless you've got some latent desire to use it, just like you get white people aching to use the n-word.

Just don't say it.

I mean... habitual behavior doesn't change overnight. Bad behavior or not. But it's not like I "need" to use it. I'm just used to using it (as I'd wager most males are from my generation). I grew up a devout Christian and homophobic slurs weren't seen as bad as "regular" profanity, so me and my brother would call each other homophobic slurs in the stead of things like motherfucker, asshole, bitch, etc. Hell, our parents would hit us for saying nigga, but not homophobic stuff.
 

Zero315

Member
Oct 25, 2017
7,193
Damn, that was quick.

Seems like she was trying to pull that "Words don't have meaning, only uses" kinda thing, and it backfired cause she didn't explain herself fully. The problem being that we all know how everyone else in the world interprets that word so you shouldn't be using it anyway because it adds more confusion, normalizes it's derogatory use, and makes other people do it too.

Like, if she were a white rapper saying she uses the N word all the time but that she's not a hateful person, I wouldn't be able to overlook that. But it's easier to overlook this because I'm not gay... and have used the word in the past too. Hell, I used it this morning responding to a text that my brother meant to send to his wife saying he "Loved her and hopes she has a great day at work." I responded with "LOL F______".

It's for that reason I can't really come down too hard on her. Because I did/do the same shit, and I know I'm not a bad guy. I just gotta make sure not to do that around any of my gay friends. There's only two of them, and one moved to Florida... but I know it's a hurtful word, and I know it's hypocritical of me to act one way about a slur towards me, and differently about a slur towards another minority.

I'm working on it.
I swear people in these threads act like quitting a slur is like going off drugs or something. You won't go through withdraw if you stop using it, just think before you speak.

That's the joke. That showing emotion is a feminine thing to do and thus, since he's a man, and he's feminine... he's gay.

Yikes...
 

ArtVandelay

User requested permanent ban
Banned
May 29, 2018
2,309
Hell, I used it this morning responding to a text that my brother meant to send to his wife saying he "Loved her and hopes she has a great day at work." I responded with "LOL F______".

So being in love with his wife and sending her a sweet message makes him a "faggot"? What the hell is wrong with you?
 

ninjabot

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
734
User Banned (2 Weeks): Rationalising homophobia and sexism.
I swear people in these threads act like quitting a slur is like going off drugs or something. You won't go through withdraw if you stop using it, just think before you speak.

Not at all. Just saying something ingrained in your vocabulary magically disappearing from your vocabulary doesn't happen immediately. I'm not saying it's okay, or even that it's an excuse for her (or my behavior). I'm saying I can't judge her for what she said in the past, when I said/say shit like that.

And it's taking time to break that habit. Also: I'm not a bad person.


I'm not saying it IS, I'm saying that's the joke. I'm not saying anything at all you haven't heard implied through sitcoms, radio shows, comics, or anywhere else. Dudes are tough, no-nonsense bros that don't reveal emotions. Emotions are for women folk (as the joke goes). My brother did that, and went as far as to tell me he loved me (he didn't, that was a text he meant to send to his wife).

Revealing his saccharine emotions made him look feminine... gays are stereotyped as feminine... I called him a gay slur.

Keep in mind, I'm not saying any of this is okay. I just don't understand why everyone's acting like they don't know where this shit came from or how often it happens.

So being in love with his wife and sending her a sweet message makes him a "faggot"? What the hell is wrong with you?

...This would be the third time I had to respond to this, so instead I'm just gonna wait for you to re-read what I actually said (or the response to the other person that had the same response as you, lol).

EDIT: You know what? Nevermind with my replies. Neither of us are disagreeing that what was said was wrong, and that it shouldn't be said so there's no point arguing. My responses are just arguing semantics.
 
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Tommi

Member
Oct 29, 2017
130
You seem more offended by this than her choice of language, to the point you managed to practically dodge the actual issue and make a whole paragraph about people not liking a thing...
I just don't think that these kinds of threads should contain people bashing the person willy-nilly. Seems a bit childish.

I'm gay and didn't feel at all comfortable by what she said. People have already discussed my every point in this thread, so I decided to add to it and not rehash.
 

excelsiorlef

Bad Praxis
Member
Oct 25, 2017
73,325
Though I wasn't calling him that for loving his wife, I called him that for telling me (his brother) that he loves me and wants me to have a good day at work. That's the joke. That showing emotion is a feminine thing to do and thus, since he's a man, and he's feminine... he's gay.

Defending homophobia with sexism... you're not working on it very hard dude.
 

excelsiorlef

Bad Praxis
Member
Oct 25, 2017
73,325
I'm not saying it IS, I'm saying that's the joke. I'm not saying anything at all you haven't heard implied through sitcoms, radio shows, comics, or anywhere else. Dudes are tough, no-nonsense bros that don't reveal emotions. Emotions are for women folk (as the joke goes). My brother did that, and went as far as to tell me he loved me (he didn't, that was a text he meant to send to his wife).

Revealing his saccharine emotions made him look feminine... gays are stereotyped as feminine... I called him a gay slur.

I cannot imagine how you could type this and think yeah this is what I want to put out into the world
 

KuroNeeko

Member
Oct 25, 2017
1,187
Osaka
Damn, I thought this was going to be a vid of a cat pouring out a milkshake--like Piano Cat or something.

I didn't know who this person was, but after reading the tweet in the OP, I won't bother finding out more. I went through four years of high school and never called anyone that word.
 

Windrunner

Sly
Member
Oct 25, 2017
6,500
Though I wasn't calling him that for loving his wife, I called him that for telling me (his brother) that he loves me and wants me to have a good day at work. That's the joke. That showing emotion is a feminine thing to do and thus, since he's a man, and he's feminine... he's gay.

A homophobic slur wrapped in a misogynistic wrapper... you have some shit to work on my dude.
 

Stop It

Bad Cat
Member
Oct 25, 2017
6,350
Yeah. The thing that makes it easy to slip into my mindstate is that people often use profanity and derogatory/inflammatory remarks with their friends in jest. Like calling your friend an motherfucker or a dumbass. It makes it easier to slip into racial and homophobic slurs because you're used to not filtering your language in certain places, where you'd filter it in others.

Though I wasn't calling him that for loving his wife, I called him that for telling me (his brother) that he loves me and wants me to have a good day at work. That's the joke. That showing emotion is a feminine thing to do and thus, since he's a man, and he's feminine... he's gay.



I agree. That's the part I said I'm working on. I don't have to work on not saying it around gay people because I don't say it around gay people.



I mean... habitual behavior doesn't change overnight. Bad behavior or not. But it's not like I "need" to use it. I'm just used to using it (as I'd wager most males are from my generation). I grew up a devout Christian and homophobic slurs weren't seen as bad as "regular" profanity, so me and my brother would call each other homophobic slurs in the stead of things like motherfucker, asshole, bitch, etc. Hell, our parents would hit us for saying nigga, but not homophobic stuff.
What the hell is this post?

Do we have to care why you use a homophobic slur? Just don't fucking use it.

Stop rationalising hate speech.

This is why the person in the OP said what they did. They think that as long as they explain why they use hate speech, everything will be ok. No, disown the word and pledge to never use it again.

It's not fucking rocket science.
 

D65

Member
Oct 26, 2017
6,862
Oh amazing! She changed out the kelis reference. I specifically made this request on Era, does she read era?! Haha yay!
 

Bob Beat

Member
Oct 25, 2017
3,916
I thought she was gonna say, 'I was in high school in 1996'.

She said yesterday.

It wasn't right then but we hadn't started this large national conversation. She went to school after the conversation had been in effect for 10(?) years.