On the OP pics the downgrade is obvious. But we've been there before. All devs are guilty of it.
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I think you have another wall of tyres situation on your hands.
Anyone who is honest with themselves can see the new trilogy is downgraded
The release version does look a little bit worse but it's not something to go crazy over, visual change from preview builds change all the time.
It's not missing AO. It looks as though the effect has been upgraded. Softer and more realistic.
Reflections are not missing. They aren't as clearly visible in that SHOT, but in motion they're still there.
Yeah that's what your significant other said.
joking btw, if anyone gets outraged.
Insomniac does not this deserve this kind of shit in the slightest, but making dumb generalizations about people is not okay either. Miss me with that shit.
Easy money for DF if you made a short video explaining these specific changes tbh. It would probably get more than 100k views lol.
I'm sure it's object-dependent. They control what moves and what doesnt
All that traffic. Yup that's New York City alright lol.
People impressed by Cyberpunks city density but this looks even more impressive to me with the amount of vehicles and people.
In all seriousness, this is up there with Tracer's butt pose and the Star Ocean panties as the most irrelevant "issue" ever. I still distinctly recall my embarrassment at those two drumming up similar controversies at the old board.
I mean I'm buying it either way but it's obvious they couldn't hit their original vision and had to cut some things back.
Yes... that is why I said thankfully it's better in other scenes.
Unless you're partaking in the same shit, you have nothing to get offended by. Don't let being a 'gamer' be your sole identifier either. It's pretty clear who people are referring to when they use the label.
It was space nut, so you probably don't want to know
Everyone thought it was brilliant that you touched upon that in your comparison video. I loved it.
You don't have to have a single directional light casting all the shadows for every building in the city. Developers can choose which light effects which object and change things to fit the mood they want. Its not anything like how light works in real life.
What is the reference for this? Is this from a thread or a DF video?
People are gonna call you a shill. The reason im defending insomniac is because they've given so much proof they can handle all the things people claim were downgraded. The puddles, density, textures on the suit are all there.
Traffic density looks fine.
This is not proper ingame but there's more scenes in the trailer that are definitely ingame and show a comparable traffic density to older shots.
As for puddles
The streets are wet here, doubt Insomniac would have troubles extending SSR in that particular spot of the demo.
Look, I know there's a lot of fooling around here, but ya'll need to get your eyes checked if you don't see a downgrade. As someone who's worked in game graphics development before, there's clearly a downgrade.
1. There's a red filter applied to the suit to hide the less details of the 2018 version
2. A downgrade in amount of webbing being used by the spider
3. The windows of the building in the background are missing reflections
4. Helicopter is no longer reflecting light (is the helicopter matte now too. huh?)
5. Before anyone says the lighting is different, look at the shadow in the bottom, it's in the same place.
Wake up people. You're looking at a downgrade.
1. There's a red filter applied to the suit to hide the less details of the 2018 version
2. A downgrade in amount of webbing being used by the spider
3. The windows of the building in the background are missing reflections
4. Helicopter is no longer reflecting light (is the helicopter matte now too. huh?)
5. Before anyone says the lighting is different, look at the shadow in the bottom, it's in the same place.
Wake up people. You're looking at a downgrade.
Honestly, the real problem isn't downgrade or no downgrade (I mean, DF unequivocally stated that it's improved, so that should end this debate right there), it's that many people's measure for a "downgrade" isn't actually a technical downgrade but personal preference. Something is changed or different from the version they liked better and thus it is downgraded, regardless of aesthetic or artistic reasons. Different doesn't equal downgrade, regardless of whether you think one looks better.
There is no way they are just using a single direct light source from the sun outside in Spiderman. If they did that the open world would look like the moon with areas fullbright and other areas pitch black. Lights are faked in games using invisible lights everywhere and shadows, especially things like contact shadows, are faked in screen space.
A change in lighting does not equal a downgrade. Just because you think one instance looks worse doesn't mean the whole game looks worse. There are examples posted where the release game looks clearly better then the 2017 trailer. If it's not ToD or weather being different then they just fiddled with the lighting a bit. That doesn't make it a downgrade.
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