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We Ben Reilly talking about puddles: Spider-Man controversy gets high numbers of upvotes on Reddit
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User warned: Baselessly accusing developers of lying.
Nothing to get pissy about but it's an obvious downgrade. The developers lying about it is kinda suspect though.
For the people that have been around for a bit longer, I give you a throw back to a previous Time of Day Downgrade discussion:
Yeah, this is very bad when someone is trying to prove there's no shadow when there's obviously character shadows in both scenes. lol
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People seem to be equating "shinier" with "better." This is such a crazy non issue. These brats need to just shut it.
Theres no difference in the quality of the lighting or geometry or textures. The sun was moved so that now that building is in shadow, so you dont see as much contrast or the highlights on spideys uniform. You can dislike the artistic choice but youre objectively wrong if you think its graphically worse.
This is great for outing the muppets, seeing what they want to see.
Insomniac have already debunked this nonsense, that should be the end of discussion right there.
Insomniac have already debunked this nonsense, that should be the end of discussion right there.
See, the problem is that your definition of "worse" isn't accurate.
1) Visual changes, if they get worse, are typically made to effect the game in other areas. Better optimization, legibility, etc.
2) You only play one version of the game, the final one. You can't say the pre-release version was better. You can say it looks better, but that's it. But that's not the only aspect of a game.
I wouldn't go that far. I've seen dumber shit.
From the looks of this thread though it seems everyone agrees there was no downgrade.
I think he means that this type of scrutiny happens particularly often with Ps4 exclusives. It happened with Infamous Second Son, Uc4, gow4, now it's happening with Spider-Man
Can you imagine if people who say stuff like that spent an hour on TIGSource or browsed Screenshot Saturday?
Wow. Traffic and lightning here are absolutely not explainable by a different time of day, right?
Except there's nothing for them to admit to or lie about.
oh man, I had almost forgotten about this foolishnessFor the people that have been around for a bit longer, I give you a throw back to a previous Time of Day Downgrade discussion:
it's especially stupid in retrospect since Second Son is still one of the best looking games of the generation
Yes.
I'm tired, and ridiculous, poor parody is a refuge.
Some context for the #gamernationriseup thing:
hi there thread, I know how video games work
It's a time of day change and a couple other art asset changes
You make me sick
It's a time of day change and a couple other art asset changes
You make me sick
If the sun has moved position how are the shadows still in the same place? FFS this is basic stuff that gets taught when you're 8 years old in primary school.
The henchmen shadows have been changed from actual outlines to blobs.
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Holyeee shiiiittttt
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They'd have a heart attack if they spent one day in a development studio.
Honestly this screenshot looks awful, there's an absolute downgrade from the trailer to this
You think that's bad? Try this shot:
It doesn't look ANYTHING like E3 any more.
how do you know that? should we trust our eyes or what the dev says?
difference =/= downgrade
many things can change, it could be time of day, it could be lighting model, it could be textures
you can't sit here and look at these screenshots and immediately know that "oh they had to remove stuff to make it run!"
things fucking change
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This doesn't look like a downgrade, move along folks...
but... I do know how to upgrade the game...
Replace Peter Parker with...
but... I do know how to upgrade the game...
Replace Peter Parker with...
How about not showing them "years early" at all, then? The whole downgrade-gate thing started because developers showed games or supposed "in game graphics" that didn't match the final product plenty of times in the past, which got people angry and made them sensitive to any kind of supposed downgrade (this sensitivity is entirely understandable)
I'm an advocat of not showing a game until it's ready to be shown.
It's a really bad look how casually people on here throw out the word 'lying' to describe devs making artistic changes and optimizing their game.
Because with your eyes you can see the countless footage they have shown suggesting they are telling the truth
Are you being willfully ignorant when there is a ton of footage that says otherwise instead of comparing a single highly compressed screenshot with different time of day?
I really thought the thread about swearing in cyberpunk was going to be the stupidest shit on this site today
LOL at saying the traffic and ped density is reduced
It is easily the most crowded and busy npc count and traffic I've seen this gen
It is easily the most crowded and busy npc count and traffic I've seen this gen
Lmao perfectThis doesn't look like a downgrade, move along folks...
but... I do know how to upgrade the game...
Replace Peter Parker with...
If a game should not be shown yet because there might be changes to it in the future, then a game will only be ready to be shown when it ships.
Have you played the build? If not, I'd trust the people who have played the build. Visuals are not the only part of a game.
It's crazy, these children don't even consider context anymore. They jump straight to 'Insomniac was lying to us! They must be trying to cheat us!' because they don't understand what they're seeing. Congrats, kids, you make this place worse.
By your standards they wouldn't show the game until it has gone gold then?
exactly what i was thinking, obviously i did expect the response, but will be cool to remind people of this thread the next time there's a thread about a downgraded game from another company and everyone jump on the bandwagon of it being super clear and oh my god how could the do this.
The "superior version" in this case being that one has more puddles...I mean forget about wanting to maintain a level of performance for the entire rest of the game in-mind.
Clearly they are trying to pull one over on you.
And as I said, developers showing genuine works in progress for their game have only been lambasted for it. Maybe, just maybe, this was a target they wanted to hit but couldn't in the end. There's nothing "convenient" about that.
The comparison is compressed to begin with.
But honestly, this all is pretty sad. Feel bad for Insomniac.
But honestly, this all is pretty sad. Feel bad for Insomniac.
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