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How do you like your puddles?

  • The entire game should take place inside a huge puddle

  • As big as Insomniac's artists want them to be

  • As deep as my knowledge of game development

  • I prefer oceans tbh

  • Don't go chasing Waterfalls


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Lulu

Saw the truth behind the copied door
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Oct 25, 2017
26,680
We beat EA and lootboxes, we can beat sony for their graphical crimes. Time to rise up
 

corn_fest

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Oct 27, 2017
323
Imagine caring about this or thinking you're entitled to some specific level of graphical fidelity based on prerelease footage lmao
 

Loudninja

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Oct 27, 2017
42,188
No there is no downgrade. Downgrade means that they changed something for performance reasons and they didnt. They changed the lighting and it makes the colors and details pop less and moved some puddles around, however if you see other scenes and the countless videos they have shown you can see that the puddles and textures/lighting are not a problem. That one scene is just different.
People dont care obviously this has been explain as well many times.Its the UC3 bs all over again.
 
Oct 26, 2017
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Mushroom Kingdom
The concerned train gaining steam.

But anyone that's played Ratchet and Clank and uses their eyeballs knows that this is gonna be a looker. Miss me with this downgrade talk!


Its time Angie22
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Kayant

The Fallen
Oct 25, 2017
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Worst thing about these "downgrade" controversies is the comparison footage/images are almost always shit.
Whether or not there is a downgrade or changes at least use footage/images of the same quality.
 

Andromeda

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Oct 27, 2017
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On the bright side downgrade controversies like this one (based on reality or not) are often the sign of future great sales (Watchdogs and The Witcher 3).
 

Deleted member 5853

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Oct 25, 2017
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INSOMNIAC DOWNGRADED PUDDLES???

GAMERS RISE UP NO MORE PUDDLE DOWNGRADES.

DAMN SJWS AND THEIR DOWNGRADE AGENDAS.
 

PSqueak

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Oct 25, 2017
12,464
I don't se a downgrade on the suit, more like just a different shading, which in my opinion makes it look more lifelike.
 

8byte

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Oct 28, 2017
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it's an obvious downgrade, i dont understand people here trying to deny that with jokes, really patetic imo... the game still great visually but the downgrade is real.

It is not.

Things changed, but there are PLENTY of shots and footage from other areas that very clearly illustrate that there was no downgrade.

I also played it at E3 three times, as did thousands of other people. This isn't detective work, it's concern trolling.

STAHP.
 

MaulerX

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Oct 30, 2017
2,691
I mean, it's not just the puddle size. In all fairness it doesn't look as crisp overall. And there is definitely details missing as well.
 

Radishhead

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Oct 30, 2017
1,568
That's clearly a downgrade, and I hate bullshots at E3, but regardless this level of outrage is ridiculous considering what is being shown here. Games have to go through performance optimisations- better to have a slight downgrade than a game that doesn't play well.
 

Sprat

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Oct 27, 2017
4,684
England
I bet half of the people whining and making claims don't have any intention of buying it or don't own a ps4 so the angry they can't play it..
 

Ikuu

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Oct 27, 2017
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User banned (3 days): Continued console war baiting after prior ban.
Not sure what's funnier Reddit crying about puddles, or Sony avatars crying about a Reddit thread.
 

benny

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Oct 26, 2017
381
Tweet Digital Foundry. Someone inform them that they are losers and comparing anything is now off limits.
You must not understand the objection to this outrage.

You can be happier with how the scene previously looked. That's fine.
But you can be wrong about the reasons it looks different.

The claim when you invoke "downgrade" is that a reduction in graphical capabilities of the game by means of for example substituting lower resolution textures, reduction of lighting quality, shadow quality or overall resolution.

What isn't a "downgrade" is an artist tweaking the area in her responsibility or moving puddles around so one scene has less and another has more without any involvement by the technical team.

Using "downgrade" is an evidence claim. And if you've (or DF) have done the necessary work to show that there was an objective reduction in a quantifiable capability this will be fine and then it's good that Insomniac will be called out on principle alone.
Whether or not the scene is so compromised as to have mislead customers is another debate but also good to have.

What isn't a quantifiable argument is something along the lines of I can see less shinies now therefor its downgraded.
 

Much

The Gif That Keeps on Giffing
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Feb 24, 2018
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They have definitely been downgraded so why is insomniac lying? It's not a big deal but they are making shit worse.

You're really accusing a developer of lying? Come on...

This is like the equivalent of lazy developer posts..

I'm sure devs know more about the situation, so I'll take their word for it.
 

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Does anyone have a history of asking for refunds for digital games? Will Sony give my money back if I tell them about the puddle thing?
 

Bunta

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Oct 26, 2017
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They have definitely been downgraded so why is insomniac lying? It's not a big deal but they are making shit worse.
Except it hasn't been downgraded.
Haha, yep. I can't believe this crap is still going.

It's just that particular scene. The most recent gameplay videos show the rooftop of a construction site with more puddles than the older screenshot.

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everyer

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Oct 29, 2017
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I remember we had same posts before GOW release.

These people really don't deserve such great devs and games.
 

Tetra-Grammaton-Cleric

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Oct 28, 2017
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The current photo that is supposedly 'downgraded' looks washed out. It's seems like poor photographic evidence given how many other shots and footage of the game look much more vibrant.
 
Jun 17, 2018
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I just love the gaming community so much. It looks a little different but who gives a shit? It's not as if the game now looks like garbage. Besides the guy said that the code hasn't changed, so there ya go!
 

Rikster

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Jun 24, 2018
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Lol this is so ridiculous... Oh well I guess those people will miss out on a great game because of a damn puddle sucks for them.
 

Zedelima

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Oct 25, 2017
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Like....wtf? Yeah i could agree that to my untrained eye, the game does look different,but i think is the light and not a downgrade, but to do this with the developer? Wtf?

Game looks great, the action looks great, gameplay solid, why bother doing this because some water and reflections?
 

Squirrel09

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Nov 4, 2017
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So, not regarding the puddles. But more so lighting/shadows/textures. Could it be the difference between PS4 Pro and PS4 Regular?
 

RedOnePunch

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Oct 26, 2017
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Even if it was downgraded, how is it a problem? You get to see the game right before it releases.

Imagine if this was a Ubisoft game. Some of the defenders here are surprising me. Acting like its offensive to have eyes and compare two pictures. How dare gamers look at pictures!?

I think people just stopped caring. When was the last time people on here freaked out over an Ubisoft downgrade?
 

X Wi77iaM X

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Nov 25, 2017
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It is not.

Things changed, but there are PLENTY of shots and footage from other areas that very clearly illustrate that there was no downgrade.

I also played it at E3 three times, as did thousands of other people. This isn't detective work, it's concern trolling.

STAHP.

enjoy your deny state.
 

CanisMajoris

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Oct 27, 2017
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There is no downgrade. People who have no clue about ToD and art style tweaks need to stop posting. One of the reasons I can think of for reducing puddles is that they made the environment way too busy and made combat more confusing unintentionally.
 
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