This is satire right? Did i miss a good copypasta somewhere?
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Pokémon Essentials fangame creation kit taken down by Nintendo
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This is satire right? Did i miss a good copypasta somewhere?
No.
In the past I worked with software development. So I hate this type of thing.
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It's a free program where people made free games through an creative outlet they love. It even helps people learn how to make games. They're fan games, they don't eat sales of the official games and if you think otherwise that's incredibly foolish because it's Pokemon.
Love how you think me being north-american invalidates me. Real classy.
Not with your subjective opinion, but with facts.
In this case, they used original assets, who are protected. So they are wrong.
And did not say that the fact that you are a north-american invalidates you, but north-americans usually thinks that they are victims on very random things, like this one.
Nice '''''''''''''''''argument'''''''''''''''''''.
Take your condescending shit some place else. If you want to make a pokémon fan game you don't have to rip off assets.
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Oh dear I'm a victim?! Abloobloo wah wah I'm triggered.
Well, I made a serious post and you came trying to ridicularize me.
It is ok to not agree with me, but please, post facts or in good faith, it is very childish the way that you answered me, and now you are generalizing and taking what I posted out of the context. And this, well, this is you acting as a victim.
You can very well think that what Nintendo did is wrong, but in the law, they are right. So...
The problem I have is that Sega supports their fan games that use their assets. Sonic Mania wouldn't have existed if Sega acted like Nintendo.
Who the fuck cares about that?
We're long past the "can they do that?" phase. It's whether they should. Whether there's an actual benefit.
But good. You were involved in software development in the past and apparently have seen the dire consequences that free fan games based on decade old titles pose for the multibillion dollar companies and fan bases alike.
You keep on reporting these transgressions, noble warrior. I mean, since asset rip-offs on play store are an issue, so must be all this!
Fuck you Nintendo. You just stopped so many people from experimenting with game projects and making cool variations on Pokemon. Why are Nintendo so dead-set on being a villain here? How much could free fan games really hurt them?
I expect they're going to try and take down all fan art and fan fics next? Can't have those fans using your IP, right?
I expect they're going to try and take down all fan art and fan fics next? Can't have those fans using your IP, right?
I really don't get what the first part of your post has to do with the second.
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I'm told you should "take your condescending shit some place else".
It is ok to not agree with me, but you should not be angry because of a random stranger on the internet. You will not change my mind either.
I posted facts, your posted your opinion. That is ok.
Who cares? It seems you, because you just replied...
Please, no cursing. I am not here to make enemies, I am just here to practice my english posting my opinions. You are free to agree or not.
Maybe that "some place else" is the Dota 2 TI thread where just about every comment of Shugga is dripping in venom.
No need for platitudes.
On that note, you posted facts (assuming you didn't somehow lie about that) about you working in software development in the past, Nintendo being in the legal right and reporting stuff like fan games.
None of those make for an argument as to why fan games are supposedly damaging.
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You do realize that all you do is hurt the community right? Like Nintendo and The Pokemon Company gain nothing from taking down these tools.
They make it really fucking clear for the people who seem to have some problem comprehending this that the sprites that they make for their own games are their work and are not for free distribution to make your own games with.
Anyone who wants to make a game and has no artistic talent can find numerous sprite sheets with usage licencing information by the creators of those sprites to do so.
HERE is an example I found with a cursory google under the CC-BY licence
Same as why some people only do maps (new levels) for Doom 1/2, Quake, Half-Life etc. instead of also making new models/sprites or textures/sounds.
Also remember again that toolkit is RPGMaker constructor. Which "kind of allows you to make rpg without programming or even making new audiovisual content". It's fanfiction at heart. Person came up with fantasy crossover story about Harry Potter vs. Pokemon, and instead of doing everything themselve, "gets" sprites, music, etc. from everywhere to import. So they only thing person does is arrangement of elements, added "Story" or something. Funny.
You cut off the part that directly dealt with what you were saying regarding Skyrim mods using Thomas the Tank Engine material. Which I've addressed as a major problem with mods, when people start to take copyrighted material from another company.
Do you have numbers to support this? Like, official data. I would like to see that and perhaps change my mind.
But without evidence, no chance at all.
Of course not. The same people would then complain that it's still illegal copyright infringement and NIntendo/GameFreak/TPC are still in the right to take it down. It's just that portraying this as an asset issue first and foremost makes them look more favorable for defending these corporations' takedowns.
When the fan devs would use self-made assets we would just see the goalpost move further towards "just don't make it a Pokemon game".
But these assets existing and being part of the existing Pokemon games is what makes them so appealing, to begin with. It's not like well-seasoned developers are the ones creating these games. It's largely fans with comparatively little game development and programming experience that dabble into all this and very few ever get anywhere of note. Without easy access like Pokemon Essentials you don't get a lot of people to even try. Rom hacks are another matter but just about all proper fan games are based on Essentials.
As a sidenote, a certain fan game's devs made a gen7 sprite pack which looks excellent and they let everyone else use, too, just as they do with their entire game. They only ask for credits, of course. It's rather wholesome and to think that all this is considered a major net-negative by some...
Wow, what the fuck
also lmao @ "i dont want to make enemies". you literally bragged about it, what the fuck did you expect really
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Yes this is clearly a precursor to Nintendo doing this absurd ridiculous thing. You nailed it.
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Hey, fuck you.
I mean, there are a good bit of shitty fanmon games that are edgy in tone and filled with Fuck and such, and these DO actually misrepresent the pokemon IP. But this is still way too far. Honestly I wouldn't be surprised if we saw some out of left field eshop "Pokemon Maker" or some gen 8 feature allows you to do some light town editing in a minigame. They wouldn't do this out of nowhere for no reason just suddenly.
NoA is in the wrong already, why not be even more in the wrong next time? It's only natural after sinking so low.
Whoever is making these decisions needs to be fired asap.
I completely agree.
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I can only hope one day this sort of thing happens to something you're working on, so that we can all remember when you said this.
Who was Sonic Mania created by?
Was it Sonic team?
If not then why did Sega hire these newcomers to Make Sonic Mania?
Answers: Created by fans who had experience in using assets from Sonic games previously for fan projects. Now Sega have hired them.
This isn't hard to get.. come on now.
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It is a mystery why nintendo don't like this stuff
Looks like a more compelling story than anything Game Freak has written. No wonder Nintendo was shook.
lol Nintendo isn't in the wrong and nobody needs to be fired
Grow up
Why exactly I need to grow up? Because some knucklehead NoA executive went bonkers and decided that fan games need to be exterminated?
Because you do not have the right to appropriate someone else's IP for your own designs. You are not entitled to the use of someone else's IP. If you make something using someone else's IP and they allow it to exist then it is by their own grace. You are not entitled to anything. If you want to make a Pokemon game go purchase a License from Nintendo
And you just basically said that fanart is illegal.
This DMCA craze with NoA started about 2 years ago. Someone has to be calling the shots, be it an executive, directive...
Maybe they're going to release a Pokemon version of Mariomaker in the future.
The closest thing would be selling bootleg copies of official artwork or something, but generally people seem to be using donations/patreon rewards as a way around being technically paid fan art.
Thats why TPC didnt like when that dude who had a party that used cropped Snivy art to promote sales.
Is it petty? fuck yes it is, but its also within their rights.
First of all stop equating fanart and fan games as if they are the same thing or equal. Nintendo is in the business of creating and selling videogames, fan games are videogames using Nintendo's IP. They are identical products to the main products that Nintendo produces that use Nintendo's IP. This is problematic for all sorts of reasons, because it has the potential to harm sales of official products, can cause consumer confusion and even cause damage to the IP itself. Fan artwork is just that, artwork and last I checked Nintendo wasn't an art dealer.
And maybe fanart isn't legal, we don't actually know because it hasn't been litigated. But Nintendo allows fanart to exist because it doesn't cut into their primary business and therefore isn't very likely to do much damage to it and also it would be impossible to litigate every instance and there's a higher chance Nintendo would lose. Not worth it to go after artwork.
All you have to do is see the sales numbers. Every new generation game has stayed at a constant 15 million since Ruby and Sapphire. The presence of fan games clearly have not affected sales.