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CDPR-- please understand, a mature game isn't the F word every 8 seconds
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I'm with the OP on this as I have explained in the demo thread before.
However there is a disconnect here that is easy to solve.
Nobody, that I'm aware of that has a problem with the dialogue is due to being a prude, US citizen, puritan, Christian or whatever. It is the problem where it sounds like a group of teenage boys got together and made it.
The disconnect, and I admit it is my fault too, is that most are unaware of the source property. Many like me believed when the game was revealed it would be a blade runner/neuromancer style world with the dialogue to match that world.
Others in this thread and the demo thread have stated that the Cyberpunk 2020 property the game is based on is like this, the pen and paper RPG. This is the game for them.
Therefore us bladerunner/neuromancer fans will have to go elsewhere or wait until another AAA release comes along. Or wait and hope the very little we've seen isn't indicative of the rest of the game.
However there is a disconnect here that is easy to solve.
Nobody, that I'm aware of that has a problem with the dialogue is due to being a prude, US citizen, puritan, Christian or whatever. It is the problem where it sounds like a group of teenage boys got together and made it.
The disconnect, and I admit it is my fault too, is that most are unaware of the source property. Many like me believed when the game was revealed it would be a blade runner/neuromancer style world with the dialogue to match that world.
Others in this thread and the demo thread have stated that the Cyberpunk 2020 property the game is based on is like this, the pen and paper RPG. This is the game for them.
Therefore us bladerunner/neuromancer fans will have to go elsewhere or wait until another AAA release comes along. Or wait and hope the very little we've seen isn't indicative of the rest of the game.
I answered it best I could. If it had some other meaning, then it flew over my head. I apologise.
Just because other people do something, doesn't mean it's right. Some people are way to quick to jump the gun these days and don't let things play out.
If you want to jump conclusions about something based on a 2 minutes trailers, fill your boots. You want to judge a book by it's cover? Ditch a TV show just one episode? You do you. But for me, I'll actually wait until the finished game is out and I have more to go on than just a work-in-progress trailer.
You say you ditched FFXIII after 5 hours. I'm happy to judge Cyberpunk 2077's script after 5 hours of gameplay.That seems like a decent length of time to get a feel for something.
I mean, it isn't like everyone talked like that. Dex was super chill and cursed only a couple times. Jackie, V, and the gangsters - all lowlife criminals - did the bulj of it, alongside the Trauma Team, who are basically military.
The corporate lady, Dex, the ripperdoc, hell, even Dum-Dum had pretty relaxed language. Not sure I see the issue. I saw nice variety in speaking styles.
The corporate lady, Dex, the ripperdoc, hell, even Dum-Dum had pretty relaxed language. Not sure I see the issue. I saw nice variety in speaking styles.
What I read is that as a "Sci-Fi junky" the OP is disappointed that CDPro had chosen a GTA San Andrea storyline, with characters you are supposed to play with for 25-40 hours, so stand their language. As I said he must pass on this one, because it's an adventure game that will offer one main narrative, so he won't dissmiss it.
That Blade Runner thing will be in there too, to some extent. My guess? The gameplay demo serves to showcase how CP77 differs from what the mainstream audience usually thinks of when they think of cyberpunk.
Yeah, this is more cyberPunk than it is Cyberpunk, but again, I think those kinds of things will be present too if the game's as big as it's supposed to be.
What is "better use of swearing"? OP didn't exactly go into details.
But yeah, of course there are problems how swearing is used in a game. One does need to point out the examples though. Otherwise we will have reactions like this.
I agree, it is rather embarassing how many dudes just can't seem to handle any sort of criticism of language or sexism. Gamerdude culture generally is overly focused on being tryhard edge with an overabundance of swears and general sexism, so it's not very surprising. but it is definitely embarassing.
That the language used here is unnatural, stilted and forced isn't exactly news. To be honest, it reads like babbys first fanfic on fanfiction.net in 2003.
Exactly, some of these responses are completely missing the point.
The point was the dialogue being awkward and the acting being less than stellar. Just to post the example again because it was at the bottom of the page, this felt weird not because the characters are swearing, but because of how unconvincing they sound:
Like, hopefully that scene gets another several passes and adjustments if it isn't cut altogether.
Did you read the post that the person you're quoting is responding to?
Surely that's more down the the voice talent than an overabundance or use of the word "fuck"
Comparing someone's writing to fanfiction of a specific era, thus implying that you read fanfiction, immediately dismisses your opinion regarding the quality of anyone's writing ^^
What was unnatural, stilted or forced about it exactly?
Sadly I don't think its just young people. Also older folks projecting their embarrassment onto others, think their embarrassment matters and they are saving people. When in reality, no one cares
How about "hey OP, how about some examples of what you mean?".
Going from 0 to 100 and accusing everyone of being prudes and self-righteous says way more about all y'all than it does about OP or this forum.
It's kinda sad when you need to explain that a real life dialog implies two sentient beings talking to each other without any consideration for a potential "spectator", and a fictional dialog is the work of a writer who literally puts words in fictional character's mouths for a spectator to hear them.
Man I'm only 22 and I agree with this, people are starting to get way too judgy and preachy here, some people really come off kids who have no experience ourside of there suburban bubble :eyes:. But text really makes it hard to interpret peoples intentions when everyone wants to make hot takes.
User Banned (Permanent): Trolling; history of similar. Junior account.
CDPR-- please understand, sjw and offended people are the new battle royale these days, feel free to not give a fuck about the internet, thank you.
"I agree!" -> Then proceedes to go off a tangent about something completely unrelated to what the other person said.
Because the person you quoted isn't a hot take in of itself.
Is that supposed to be an unironic use of "sjw"? :/
Edit - oh boy you even edited it D:
1. Of course some people do.
but
2. We also don´t live in a dystopian future where anarchy rules the streets.
Please put up a bad word warning the next time you post something like this on Era.
so you know how I felt while watching the CP demo
So...they shouldn't hire better voice actors who feel comfortable swearing into the mike so it doesn't sound jilted?
Also, SJW and offended people. Well, thanks for proving my earlier post.
You are out of control and out of your mind using language like that so flippantly!
Don't start going down that road. People aren't offended. People are arguing against his points.
Real people swear. Adults swear. Cyberpunk isn't a live camera broadcasting a political debate between politicians.
Mix in the crime underworld and people who are capable of killing, looting and drug smuggling and it's the swearing that puts people off?
It's the same as the moralistic grumbles about nudity. You're fine role-playing crime and killing but if there's nudity on screen you need to hide behind the couch or panic someone else in your home might see it.
Sure, it's how you feel if there is swearing, but one thing I'll challenge on this forum is the passing off that swearing and nudity shouldn't or wouldn't be in this world. It's that you'd rather have it sanitized for your own socialised or moral beliefs, nothing to do with it being "unrealistic" in the game.
CDPR are sticking to the source material and also not caring about how prudish or embarrassed a minority are. Nor do they seemingly care about MS or Sony getting worried. They're in a position with a huge IP that it would make either of the big pubs look petty restricting the game instead of simply accepting the 18 rating.
FOX news can do their "MS sex box" part 2.
Mix in the crime underworld and people who are capable of killing, looting and drug smuggling and it's the swearing that puts people off?
It's the same as the moralistic grumbles about nudity. You're fine role-playing crime and killing but if there's nudity on screen you need to hide behind the couch or panic someone else in your home might see it.
Sure, it's how you feel if there is swearing, but one thing I'll challenge on this forum is the passing off that swearing and nudity shouldn't or wouldn't be in this world. It's that you'd rather have it sanitized for your own socialised or moral beliefs, nothing to do with it being "unrealistic" in the game.
CDPR are sticking to the source material and also not caring about how prudish or embarrassed a minority are. Nor do they seemingly care about MS or Sony getting worried. They're in a position with a huge IP that it would make either of the big pubs look petty restricting the game instead of simply accepting the 18 rating.
FOX news can do their "MS sex box" part 2.
I feel like there would highkey be a not insignificant portion of people on gaming side who would use that quite frequently if this site didn't have good moderation and standards.
Ayy. Also, a lot of people are defending the fact that the game has swearing but no one is really defending the script and the acting which is what people have more issues with. :|
Too right. While I agree with the OP in principle, I have way more trust in CDPR's writing team and voice directors to get this right in a 50+ hour game... it's pretty presumptuous that of all developers, the team behind The Witcher III needs to be reminded what maturity, thematically appropriate and nuanced dialogue is.
The discussion around not acknowledging gender fluidity and over use of Spanglish in a main character possibly playing to tired tropes/harmful stereotypes I can get behind. But this? You lost me.
You know you've got a good foot to stand on when you're lowkey accusing the people disagreeing with you as alt-right-lite, and have to constantly go "^this" to spotlight posts you agree with.
Dude, that's one idiot.