Supporting racism and bigotry isn't a "divergent belief", it's just wrong.
I took a "political leaning" test and I fell right down the middle. Come at me, bro.
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What role and place do conservatives and Republicans have on this fourm?
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I took a "political leaning" test and I fell right down the middle. Come at me, bro.
Okay, then you're smart enough to realize our country is in the grips of a crisis threatening its existence and there isn't much of a spot or you aren't doing any good by equivocating both sides when one side is actively trying to destroy the country. One side is worse than the other.
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Regardless, falling somewhere in the middle isn't an achievement in and of itself. I'm a liberal on nearly all domestic issues, but I have my realist tendencies in terms of foreign policy.
I hate this argument, same as the "turd sandwich" meme that gets thrown around constantly. Both parties are not the same and saying so only perpetuates that belief.
What I did today, I'd imagine, would be the same if we had a Democratic President and a democratic controlled congress. Can't say I agree with you.
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They want a small government with the biggest military budget.
Republicans need to look at themselves in the mirror and realize they're not good people. To be a republican means you believe in some really bad shit regarding equality, diversity, capitalism, education, etc. You guys are the baddies.
Dude, you're trying to engage a self-described troll. Don't.
They believe in small post counts, but if given the power they will run up the count as a show of dominance
I'm black. straight. I don't think any of that matters though. Back to my original point. If you meet someone new, and by some happenstance you learn they have a political label opposite of yours, don't ridicule or dismiss them straight away. Get to know them and make a determination through experience. Someone telling me they are left or right leaning doesn't move my needle at all.
Don't talk about subpar that way! The community loves him!
How is it calling it a day to get someone normalizing hateful views under the pretense of edgy humor or activism and publicly humiliate them/expose them before taking their platforms away? How is it better to silently ban them from public media without that happening first? I'm assuming you're thinking of times when bigots have ineffectively been challenged publicly and how there's risk involved in them making themselves look good because it's a thing that happened somewhat frequently in the past. I'm talking about having them challenged effectively, which can be tricky, but is important and gets results more frequently these days. Bad examples: Bill Maher and sometimes Joe Rogan (though he has his moments). Good examples: Who is America, United Shades of America and Jim Jefferies. Check out those interviews and shows.
I think it does, Republicans are openly stoking the flames that lead to black people being murdered in the streets by police at a previously unseen rate, and are enabling a level of racism that has seen a huge resurgence in Nazism in America. LGBTQ people, women, immigrants, they are all demonstrably in greater danger due to the policies and rhetoric coming out of the right. That your day would be the same under either party is a shortsighted way of looking at things I think when there are so many who are at risk. There are children being put in cages, their day is not the same.
If someone tells you they support white supremacy, what more do you have to say to them? If they support kids being in cages, if they support gay people not having the same privileges under the law, why even entertain that idea when it's so incredibly harmful?
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Because you never answered my question. Anyway what is even your point. Are you a trump supporter or something different?
Funny how the narrative always comes down to that we lost the 2016 election because we were mean to the racists, which ignores any of the actual details and reasons.
It's hard to assume that you're not full of shit if you still believe that at this point.
It's hard to assume that you're not full of shit if you still believe that at this point.
What was yours? You made the thread. I think your point was conservatives are not welcome on this forum, in your non-moderator opinion
In a lot of ways, this is the best gaming forum on the internet. That's why I signed up. Not for the politics. I don't click on Etcetera very often, and when I do it's typically for breaking news, music/movies, or "fun" threads.
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your non-moderator opinions? The fuck you talking about. It as if I stated my point in the op,but I don't think you read it.
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As long as people are not shit-heels about their political affiliation it shouldn't make a difference. If you're spouting of fox news points as facts then you better educate yourself or we will for you.
Sorry this may not be the appropriate place for this but I'm really interested. How did politics turn in to like the NFL? It's either your team or mine.
I guess I wasn't influenced much by politics growing up so I registered as an independent. However, I have never voted for a republican president because they have all been insane in my lifetime if you are looking thru a normal point of view.
I guess I wasn't influenced much by politics growing up so I registered as an independent. However, I have never voted for a republican president because they have all been insane in my lifetime if you are looking thru a normal point of view.
No one is going to open up a conversation with "hey I support white supremacy". Even if you think thats what being a republican is, that doesn't mean they do. THAT is exactly the issue here. You are already under the idea that anyone not w/ you is an nonredeemable monster. So what do you actually expect by consorting w/ them at that point? You aren't going to change minds, not when you already think that lowly of them. That manner of thinking already taints your message at that point.
Bottom line, regardless if you think they are the lowest of the low for being "in the middle" or not, those are the people that have the power to change things for better or for worse. Be it due to ignorance, laziness or obliviousness, those are the peeps that CAN be swayed to your side. And regardless of whether or not you think it to be so simple that we= good them = bad, that is obviously not the case to them. You can go "well its not my place to educate assholes" and well yeah sure...NOT educating them sure as fuck isn't getting things done. This may seem to be very idealistic but there is still some "saving" folks and you don't do that by openly thinking of them as trash because the oblivious, lazy and ignorant all have one thing in common....they are very fucking stubborn and like it or not, being mean to them is more than enough for them to go against you to just spite you via voting against their better interests or what probably actually happened not voting at all because both sides-ism. The thing Trump and his lackeys did was lie to enough of those same peeps in the middle to have them join up...we have to get off of the superiority complex and do the same if you truly want some change...regardless of how obvious you may think it is. Otherwise you are just going to be stuck in place yelling at walls in hope of something different happening.
Luckily I think Trump has posioned the well enough for sweeping changes to be on their way but still this mentality taints a lot of you and its not a good look.
A black man became president and it drove the right openly insane. Their dog whistles turned into air horns, and our president failed to immediately condemn David Duke or the nazis that killed a woman.
Not even trolling here, but did you even read what you wrote before posting? "It as if I stated my point in the open, but I don't think you read it"
It sounds like a stroke.
A Republican vote is supporting white supremacy, intention be damned. Don't make me post that Atwater quote again please, we've been over this already.
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But what are you trying to do? Because again everything someone ask you" what is your point "you don't answer the question. I'm starting to think that maybe you don't have a opinion for this topic. Also for my point allnyoa need to do is read my op my dude
Tell me where the logic fails and we can talk about that aspect:
Trump is a white supremacist.
Trump is the leader of the republican party
If you are a republican, you are associating willingly with white supemaccy
You are supporting white supremacy
I think that's fairly straightforward
I don't know about you but I don't want racists or people who support racism on my side and I'm certainly not going to bend for them. They can come into the new world we're trying to build willingly, or they can stay in the dust.
I try to educate some people because I have the privilege to do so, that's on my shoulders, not people who are shit on by those people and the system constantly. But there's a limit to what I tolerate.
I don't think most people can change when they have racism built into society and buried in their hearts, and if they can it requires a patience very, very few have.
People wanted to believe him because he spoke to what is in their hearts, Racism, sexism, xenophobia, he didn't fool people so much as he said what they were feeling and thinking and he was the first to do it so openly.
http://www.people-press.org/interactives/political-polarization-1994-2017/
Both parties have moved away from the center towards opposite end per research by pew.
In all sincerity, you sound very little like what a conservative is anymore. Even the 'fiscal' part feels pretty much thrown out the window with the modern conservative/republican direction that trump has taken and the party has followed.
This is sad. And a complete misunderstanding of what motivates each parties' base. If I have to lie to a bunch of ignorant scumbags so they don't follow a fascist con-man I can't be sure they aren't going to go off the reservation when we stop lying to them, which means they aren't even useful idiots
I thought I had a low opinion of Conservatives but yours seems subterranean.
1) Somehow eradicate the KKK and nazi movement in the US. Hate speech laws would at least add real punishment for these pieces of shit. They need to be removed from law enforcement as well.
2) Better education that isn't whitewashed historically. People SHOULD have the fact that the southern strategy existed and still does drilled into their head. That Atwater quote should be in every social studies class.
3) Better legislation that allows minorities equal footing so that we can desegregate in general. There was a study recently done which concluded that white people are more likely to vote Democrat if they have black neighbors.
4) Republicans somehow becoming good people, which is the hardest part. They need a genuine sense of curiosity and the ability to discern facts, which many apparently don't.
Nothing until you stop infantalizing them because of their inability to embrace simple logic.
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I didn't form the original idea of the thread, you did and that was why I asked the question. Was the point to try to get conservatives to out themselves and then dogpile them to a ban?
If that was your point, you could have titled the thread "fuck conservatives" and had the same result without pretending to ask a question.
My first post in this thread was admittedly to get attention, but the point remains. If the point is to troll bait conservatives, then at least own up to it.