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christocolus

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I mean, I literally have seen consumer data that the driving factor of their purchase was Game Pass. I'm really not exaggerating that.

Phil and the Xbox team have done a really good job of expanding on, and marketing the services that Xbox offers now. You are seeing an up tick in consumers that own PS4s as their primary console also picking up Xbox Ones due to the value proposition Game Pass offers.

I'm not going to go out and say Game Pass alone is the primary driving factor, it isn't, but it is contributing to the consoles growth this year
Nice. Thanks for the insights. You see, we really do need you here Benji. :)
 
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ethomaz

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Not in the US it isn't. And this is an NPD thread.
It is not twice but it is way ahead.

PS4: ~1.9M
XB1: ~1.3M

The only console without significant deals is the Switch. Both the PS4 and Xbox One have had deals in place.
You really don't have to downplay (as usual). The PS4 had a strong 2017, with pretty great exclusive lineup and with the Pro still relatively fresh. So there's less room for growth. Simple.
Downplay?

And I don't see PS4 being sold at $199-249 every month like XB1... Days of Play was one week.

BTW PS4 from what I remember is up YoY in 2018... so 2018 is stronger than 2017?
 
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Bunkles

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I mean, I literally have seen consumer data that the driving factor of their purchase was Game Pass. I'm really not exaggerating that.

Phil and the Xbox team have done a really good job of expanding on, and marketing the services that Xbox offers now. You are seeing an up tick in consumers that own PS4s as their primary console also picking up Xbox Ones due to the value proposition Game Pass offers.

I'm not going to go out and say Game Pass alone is the primary driving factor, it isn't, but it is contributing to the consoles growth this year

So are we taking bets when Sony decides Game Pass is a threat and introduces their own?
 

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The Variety article has more detail for those that have criticism for the GI piece.

I've mentioned before but I think a Sony Game Pass service is very far away.

Would live for that to be wrong and for them to introduce it, but I just cant see them doing it

Yeah, I don't see it either. Very much expect Sony to continue with status quo for the foreseeable future, but who knows.
 

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It's the combo of X, Game Pass, and Fortnite. Also just consumers feeling better about the brand in general

Probably a stupid question, but why would Fortnite lead to more Xbox sales specifically, isn't it on every platform? I would have guessed PUBG would be the Battle Royale game that drove Xbox sales due to it being console exclusive.
 

AceofSpades

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Sony should stop selling PS4 all together for the remaining time of the year so next year they achieve highest YoY growth ever!
/s
 

fiendcode

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I pointed out before perfection isn't needed for my statement to be true. Not in the context of who i was talking to.

Cool...I'll counter that with pointing out how abysmal Sony's launch was and how close they were at the end. That's also giving the 360 a years head start. Not sure exactly when wii launched.
PS3 came nowhere close to 360 in the US in the end. Xbox One is closer to PS4 in fact. Basic accuracy isn't the same thing as perfection.

And forget decades, I'm not sure if anyone managed even one solid decade on top in the US? Sony might be the only one in the US but PS1 sort of didn't take off here until 97/98 and if we count handhelds then Nintendo might've cut in during their PS1/PS2 run.
 

Bosh

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I didn't realize the Show sold so well.

If you like baseball it's on only game that goes for the realistic approach with all the details you want to see for teams.

Also for sports games it has the best "build your team" in my opinion. I have not bought anything with real money and have a team full of diamond players (highest ranking, although it can take a while). Unlike other sports games you don't have to worry about contracts so once you get a good player they are yours.

Baseball is probably number 2 or 3 for me to watch but the only sports game I put a lot of time In each year
 

Raylan

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Great to see that the PS4 is rocking and leading the market in the US. Even after all these years, the PS4 is still the best selling console in 2018. Really well done Sony. God of War is a monster and MLB: The Show keeps selling great every year. I'm really happy for Sony's San Diego Studio.
Next step: Spider-Man! This game will be huge.

PS4 - God of War. Complete outlier in both metacritic as well as sales performance. No game like it should sell this well when you look at the rest of the market. Absolutely separating itself in just about every way when it comes to sales performance. Never would have seen this level of performance coming. Truly remarkable. Honorable mention to Detroit: Become Human.
That's awesome to hear. And Detroit doing good is music to my ears. I'm suprised you as a huge The Show fan didn't mention MLB: The Show. I mean it's doing better than ever. :-)
 

Jaded Alyx

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I pointed out before perfection isn't needed for my statement to be true. Not in the context of who i was talking to.

Cool...I'll counter that with pointing out how abysmal Sony's launch was and how close they were at the end. That's also giving the 360 a years head start. Not sure exactly when wii launched.

Were they close in the US? I honestly don't remember.

Wii and PS3 launched days apart.


lol
 

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Probably a stupid question, but why would Fortnite lead to more Xbox sales specifically, isn't it on every platform? I would have guessed PUBG would be the Battle Royale game that drove Xbox sales due to it being console exclusive.

Xbox One is the cheapest machine to play Fortnite.
 

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Probably a stupid question, but why would Fortnite lead to more Xbox sales specifically, isn't it on every platform? I would have guessed PUBG would be the Battle Royale game that drove Xbox sales due to it being console exclusive.

It's not leading to only increased Xbox sales. It's also been a driver of PS4 sales as well

I'm not saying Fortnite is having more of an affect on Xbox than any other platform. I'm stating the reasons Xbox is up so much YoY. Fortnite is one of the contributing factors to that growth

PS4 hardware this year also wouldn't have been as strong as it was without Forntie boosting hardware sales
 

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It's not leading to only increased Xbox sales. It's also been a driver of PS4 sales as well

I'm not saying Fortnite is having more of an affect on Xbox than any other platform. I'm stating the reasons Xbox is up so much YoY. Fortnite is one of the contributing factors to that growth

PS4 hardware this year also wouldn't have been as strong as it was without Forntie boosting hardware sales

Ahh that makes sense, thanks! Damn, shows what a phenomenon Fortnite has been.
 

TaterTots

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I mean, I literally have seen consumer data that the driving factor of their purchase was Game Pass. I'm really not exaggerating that.

Phil and the Xbox team have done a really good job of expanding on, and marketing the services that Xbox offers now. You are seeing an up tick in consumers that own PS4s as their primary console also picking up Xbox Ones due to the value proposition Game Pass offers.

I'm not going to go out and say Game Pass alone is the primary driving factor, it isn't, but it is contributing to the consoles growth this year

First time I heard of Game Pass was a few months back. I thought it sounded very convenient especially with MS games being day 1. Once I seen a deal to get an S model for $190 I jumped on it. I needed a 4k bluray player anyway.

Game Pass keeps getting better and better. It's growing in popularity and I think it will be a juggernaut for MS next gen.
 

Jiraiya

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PS3 came nowhere close to 360 in the US in the end. Xbox One is closer to PS4 in fact. Basic accuracy isn't the same thing as perfection.

And forget decades, I'm not sure if anyone managed even one solid decade on top in the US? Sony might be the only one in the US but PS1 sort of didn't take off here until 97/98 and if we count handhelds then Nintendo might've cut in during their PS1/PS2 run.

You have the final ps360 us sales?
 

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Before this causes inevitable confusion for those who don't follow NPD threads, the Xbox One is mentioned because it has the strongest growth year on year following a dreadful 2017. However this doesn't mean the Xbox One is the "strongest performer" or that it is outpacing the PS4, which the Games Industry article doesn't even bother to inform it's still the best selling console in the US in 2018. While in progress compared to 2017, the Xbox One is also behind the Switch for the year.

If anyone reads this article casually without much knowledge of the trends, he can easily thinks that the PS4 has nothing to do with how great the market is doing right now. You can't just talk about the growth year on year without explaining the full picture.

It's also talking about revenue earned. What products added more to the increased revenue so far.

Sure, the ps4 so far has edged out Switch and XboxOne in terms of units so far, but they want to focus on the larger revenue shifts. SNES/NES are just added revenue that wasn't there as much in 2017. Xbox x sales adds a lot of revenue.
 

ShinUltramanJ

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It's also talking about revenue earned. What products added more to the increased revenue so far.

Sure, the ps4 so far has edged out Switch and XboxOne in terms of units so far, but they want to focus on the larger revenue shifts. SNES/NES are just added revenue that wasn't there as much in 2017. Xbox x sales adds a lot of revenue.

More units sold equals more Plus subscriptions. That's revenue right there.
 

Inuhanyou

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For many people, there were in trouble since the beginning of the generation and there was no possible way to even imagine such an increase.

True, i have not had an interest in Xbox for the DRM nonsense they pulled. But its a clear fact that many people are not all that concerned about that, and were too likely to come in this year to the ecosystem.
 

Andromeda

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Not in the US it isn't. And this is an NPD thread.




The only console without significant deals is the Switch. Both the PS4 and Xbox One have had deals in place.
You really don't have to downplay (as usual). The PS4 had a strong 2017, with pretty great exclusive lineup and with the Pro still relatively fresh. So there's less room for growth. Simple.
Zero deals on base PS4 this year. There was a timid deal ($50) on Pro during days of play, AFAIK that's all.

I really feel that most people (even the way the gamesindustry.biz article is worded) are oddly underrating how great the PS4 is doing this year in US.

It has sold the most so far while being slightly up YoY (which is the most impressive cause 2017 was already their best year, I think, or not far) with a higher ASP in 2018 than last year and there is even a shortage of Pro since July (still not resolved). And finally it has 2 exclusives games in the 2018 top ten, GoW being second.

Interestingly currently there is deal on Switch at Best Buy: for each console they first offered a $60 game then now a 64GB memory card.
 

Takuhi

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Mat, can you speak to how this generation is doing compared with past generations in terms of longevity? I know Switch messes up the comparison a little, but maybe going just by Xbox+PS, is this a typical amount of growth to see in Year 5 of a hardware cycle?
 
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All three of them doing great work with very healthy market performances,

Shame to see some here still somehow naysaying, its mental gymnastics with very little pay off.
 
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I feared Xbox's mid-gen upgrade would be hasty and not substantial enough. But Xbox One X has hit it out of the park I feel, great hardware and I think it has helped Xbox regain some lost ground in 2017 along with the other factors like Fortnite etc.

Also, Far Cry at #1 is showing some serious legs. After Far Cry Primal, it is a big step up and bodes well for the Franchise.