EU daylight-saving-survey: more than 80% for abolition

I'm not sure it will make much of a difference here in Finland since at peak winter it's always dark and at peak summer it's always light :D

There's always the in-betweens of course, like right now, where the day/night cycles are more reasonable. But anyway, staying on summer time that would mean darker winter mornings and staying on winter time that's shorter summer days is this right?

Great, hope this happens!

I voted for staying on summer time.

Winter mornings are dark anyway. Let them be dark a little while longer so that at least you can enjoy an hour of daylight when you're done working.

DST isn't the issue, the more or less fixed 9 to 5 work day is.

I believe the sleeping better without DST argument is short sighted because it ignores the seasonal effects winter and summer have on our bodies.

Permanent winter time please.

Solar noon should be as close to 12:00 as possible. I don't want to move to a "comfy, yet illogical" timescale. (imperial units of distance say hi)

Fallout-NL said:

Winter mornings are dark anyway. Let them be dark a little while longer so that at least you can enjoy an hour of daylight when you're done working.

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Yeah I generally agree with this. Only for driving medium/long-distance morning commuters it may suck a bit more.

Fallout-NL said:

Winter mornings are dark anyway. Let them be dark a little while longer so that at least you can enjoy an hour of daylight when you're done working.

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Exactly, on most workdays in winter I don't even see any daylight when I go to and return from work. Rather have some more light in the evening and have light till 7 instead of 6.

Hopefully once it reverts to Winter time it stays there.

If it stays in the Summer sunrise won't be after 9am. They are trying to encourage kids to walk and cycle to school being dark until 9am will hamper that.

I would take that and lose the sun going down 11pm in the Summer.

The state government here in Western Australia imposed a three-year trial back in 2006. The referendum that followed ended with the biggest "No" vote thus far. Thanks for reminding everyone that DST sucks, government!

DST is for idiots. Europe truly is enlightened

Hopefully the all summer/winter time goes away, as for summer time or winter time, it will depend on the country for countries like Portugal and Ireland they should go to GMT+1 aka summer time, for countries like Spain, France, germany and so on it should be GMT+1 aka winter time, this way most of the EU stays in a single time, making things all around easier, what should definitely not happen is every country deciding on their own, that would be a disaster, and I say this as someone living in Portugal that would far prefer to get winter time.

Yeah fuck the mornings. Just go to work in the dark and have more light that you can enjoy during your evenings after you've finished. The morning is always a write off anyway. It's depressing getting up early and the sun is already long since been up but it starts getting dark at like half 3 in the afternoon fuck that.

Good. Couldn't give a fuck about whether we have winter or summertime. Hope we can one day get to a point that timezones are abolished worldwide. There is no law of the universe saying the sun must rise at abot 6-7am. Without timezones there is no ambiguity about time throughout the world and it will only take a couple of months for people to get used to the approximate sun rise/set times in their part of the world.

Do it!!

yes

Fliesen said:

Solar noon should be as close to 12:00 as possible. I don't want to move to a "comfy, yet illogical" timescale. (imperial units of distance say hi)

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This is already heavily dependent on where you live in a time zone. And if your country is in the right timezone even.

shnurgleton said:

DST is for idiots. Europe truly is enlightened

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FWIW, not only was that not a representative survey in any way, but also just about 1 % of the population bothered to answer. If you take out Germany, it's closer to 0.4 %.

Micael said:

Hopefully the all summer/winter time goes away, as for summer time or winter time, it will depend on the country for countries like Portugal and Ireland they should go to GMT+1 aka summer time, for countries like Spain, France, germany and so on it should be GMT+1 aka winter time, this way most of the EU stays in a single time, making things all around easier, what should definitely not happen is every country deciding on their own, that would be a disaster, and I say this as someone living in Portugal that would far prefer to get winter time.

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Well, technically that's what's every country will have to do, but I don't think there's gonna be change unless it's unanimously decided and I agree, that would be a disaster. The one alternative I can see is that a couple of neighbouring countries decide one thing and a group of other countries something different. At least I read in this Austrian article that getting rid of summer time is mostly favoured in Northern and Eastern Europe, whereas elsewhere there's little taste for changing something (at least politically).

do It! nice

Can't wait to see those results revealed, daylight savings is pointless.

Here in the UK, at the beginning of Winter, the sun rises at like 8:20AM and sets around 3:20PM. In other words, it's dark as hell outside for3 months straight during the winter and everyone and their mother gets depressed.

I'll rather take an extra hour and it be dark by 4:20PM in the winter than 3:30.

Who on earth wants less light during the winter? Especially most office folk who are stuck indoors and only get 30 minutes of daylight during lunch a day. That can really take a toll on your body. I wouldn't be surprised if most suicides happen during winter than summer. Think about it.

TFW they make the time you hate permanent.

Give me that winter time all year around, i love it when it gets dark early.

I don't really care about DST, but continental Spain needs to change its timezone to UTC.

pls make it daylight savings time year round

thx

remove time instead

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Here in the UK, at the beginning of Winter, the sun rises at like 8:20AM and sets around 3:20PM. In other words, it's dark as hell outside for3 months straight during the winter and everyone and their mother gets depressed.

I'll rather take an extra hour and it be dark by 4:20PM in the winter than 3:30.

Who on earth wants less light during the winter? Especially most office folk who are stuck indoors and only get 30 minutes of daylight during lunch a day. That can really take a toll on your body. I wouldn't be surprised if most suicides happen during winter than summer. Think about it.

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It's really crazy how far north most of Europe is compared to the perception in the US because of the climate. In my head I picture the southern edge of Spain being on the same latitude as Florida.

The upside of it, is that during Summer the sun rises at 3:30AM and sets at 10PM. Such long days, it doesn't even officially enter 'night'

I love it. But it will get removed. Damn you liberals.

I'd love for it to be gone. I'd prefer to stay at CEST throughout the year, but either is fine.

dumbass random time changing needs to stop

I dont want to loose my extra hour!! PS Im from germany and also voted lol

Question is, will it be Summer time or Winter time ?

Spain IMO should go back to 0 gmt .
Makes no sense to maintain the Francoist +1 Gmt just to match Germany

Kyougar said:

This perfectly illustrates what a huge impact the warm waters of the Gulf-stream have on our weather in Europe. Without it, we would freeze our asses off in northern/middle Europe.

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Exactly. I guess my point in relation to Daylight Savings Time is a lot of Europe is more like Canada/far Northern US, where a lot of us in the rest of the country still get 9-10 hours of sun even at the Winter Solstice.

Keasar said:

Also funny how most of the responders were Germans, the country who started this whole mess to begin with.

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Funny!
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Yes, I agree as well, there is no logical reason to keep it. The only question is, should it be permanent standard time, or summer time (=1 hour later). It probably depends on where the people you ask are located. Further up north, summer time would mean slightly longer daylight during the waking hours of winter.

God I hope it will be permanent summer time. I hate the sudden 4PM darkness when switching to winter time

Joni said:

This is already heavily dependent on where you live in a time zone. And if your country is in the right timezone even.

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Of course it might shift from the sun being at it's highest point from anywhere between 11:00 and 13:00 ... still, i'm strongly against doing a one hour shift altogether, no matter how reasonable.
Daylight savings time ("summer time") was a temporary shift from "regular time" during the winter months.

We should abolish the concept of DST, not redefine "noon" altogether :P

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Here in the UK, at the beginning of Winter, the sun rises at like 8:20AM and sets around 3:20PM. In other words, it's dark as hell outside for3 months straight during the winter and everyone and their mother gets depressed.

I'll rather take an extra hour and it be dark by 4:20PM in the winter than 3:30.

Who on earth wants less light during the winter? Especially most office folk who are stuck indoors and only get 30 minutes of daylight during lunch a day. That can really take a toll on your body. I wouldn't be surprised if most suicides happen during winter than summer. Think about it.

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But then it doesn't rise until 9.30.

To me keeping it in Winter time is better. If sunrise is at 9.30 would mean parents are less likely to let their kids walk to school which means more traffic, which also means to get up earlier for work

I don't care if we pick Summer Time or Winter Time, just pick one and stick with it.

Frankfurter said:

The survey had three options: status quo, permanent winter time, permanent summer time. Apparently, the EU won't and can't set the time anyway. The EU can only decide to abolish the time change itself and after that every single member state would have to decide which time to make its permanent one by itself.

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Wtf
This will end in total chaos, especially when you travel a lot in the EU.
Just force it on every member and basta

I would love for Daylight Savings to be ABOLISHED!

If you keep it winter that means you will have sunrise before 5:00 AM in the summer. I hate trying to sleep in daylight and I sure the hell don't want to get up @ 5:00.

Lucreto said:

Hopefully once it reverts to Winter time it stays there.

If it stays in the Summer sunrise won't be after 9am. They are trying to encourage kids to walk and cycle to school being dark until 9am will hamper that.

I would take that and lose the sun going down 11pm in the Summer.

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Same. I can't properly wake up without natural light, I would be sooo tired all morning in winter. And where I live, in the depth of winter it starts to get dark at around 16h, so it'll be dark either way when I get home from work. On the other hand in summer it will be cooler earlier and it'll be easier to sleep at normal times (23-0h). Anyway, even if we keep summer time, it would be better for me than the switching around. Gives me a jet lag for about a week every damn time.

Yes please. Male summer time permanent

I wish we could abolish it here in the US.

iamaustrian said:

Wtf
This will end in total chaos, especially when you travel a lot in the EU.
Just force it on every member and basta

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this will be the reason why (luckily) nothing will happen :)

GAMEPROFF said:

this will be the reason why (luckily) nothing will happen :)

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Not sure, the commission would just have to make a proposal to the parliament, no one can tell it no to. And the EU parliament can then vote.
I think governments have a veto over the EU council, but is there anyone really favouring this? I feel this is just one of these things that no one likes, but it's just been around forever, so no one really thinks about it.

Mivey said:

Not sure, the commission would just have to make a proposal to the parliament, no one can tell it no to. And the EU parliament can then vote.
I think governments have a veto over the EU council, but is there anyone really favouring this? I feel this is just one of these things that no one likes, but it's just been around forever, so no one really thinks about it.

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Indeed. If there had been real opposition, there would have been no poll.

Mivey said:

Not sure, the commission would just have to make a proposal to the parliament, no one can tell it no to. And the EU parliament can then vote.
I think governments have a veto over the EU council, but is there anyone really favouring this? I feel this is just one of these things that no one likes, but it's just been around forever, so no one really thinks about it.

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According to this article (in German), abolishing summer time (or winter time) is mainly a thing i Northern and Eastern Europe, whereas Western Europe doesn't really want any change (at least among politicians). The article doesn't really qualify what "Western Europe" means in this case, though.

Also, sure, the EU parliament can vote on this, but as it's an EU directive rather than directly applicable law, every country is responsible for enacting that directive on their own. And the EU commission already said it won't tell every country what time zone to be in.