But they aren't happy?
Seriously so much of this review is just proof RLM didn't pay attention to the movie.
1) you're wrong
2) so you're denying the fact that alt-right douchebags hated both this movie and 2016 Ghostbusters?
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Red Letter Media: Star Wars The Last Plinkett Review
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But they aren't happy?
Seriously so much of this review is just proof RLM didn't pay attention to the movie.
1) you're wrong
2) so you're denying the fact that alt-right douchebags hated both this movie and 2016 Ghostbusters?
That "point" makes no damn sense. Leia is a general and dresses like she belongs in Blade Runner. And plus Holdo is an admiral, space battles usually don't involve close quarters firefights unless boarding. So it's not a massive deal that she is wearing a dress. Sure it doesn't scream Admiral but Leia doesn't look like a general either. It's really irritating for me to have legitimate problems with this movie and think about prefacing it with the fact that I am not sexist. Since a loud spoken group of sexist fucks panned the movie for entirely the wrong reasons.
Finally had a chance to sit down and watch this, I think you're both spot on Shy & Brian McDoogle. I'll write up some of my thoughts tomorrow to add when i'm less worn out, it's been a long day.
Not as good as the Ghostbusters review, but a fairly decent one, had some good points, I didn't think the movie was that bad, it was a 6/10 for me.
I enjoy Best of the Worst so much more, and I think we can stop with the Plinketts reviews of SW. The whole SW franchise has become so fucking polarizing, just look at this thread.
I enjoy Best of the Worst so much more, and I think we can stop with the Plinketts reviews of SW. The whole SW franchise has become so fucking polarizing, just look at this thread.
I'm just still kind of stunned that was the review. So lazy and bland and limp. All of the good criticism I expected not only didn't happen, but instead it was just a damn plot recap/nitpicking. And, filled with inaccurate and misleading nonsense. There's no pressure to put this out so quickly. There's no pressure to really keep doing Plinkett considering they have HitB and BotW. Why was this Mike's output? In early RLM days, yeah, they had to do something about Avatar. Or even the new Star Trek movies. But this, now, with their YouTube presence and their Patreon making bank? Why?
For complaining about Rain Johnson filming his high school first draft, this almost felt like some sort of meta commentary on that by doing the exact same thing, except it probably wasn't. (Like the Wonder Woman HitB where Mike is reading a Star Trek book for children and then goes on to complain about kids looking up to Wonder Woman).
But, seriously, that guy that does those "everything wrong with CinemaSins" should do a supercut of this review with previous RLM stuff to show how odd this review's criticisms sit with past reviews.
(Really, I'm legit shocked. That's the review? That's what they put out. Yikes!)
For complaining about Rain Johnson filming his high school first draft, this almost felt like some sort of meta commentary on that by doing the exact same thing, except it probably wasn't. (Like the Wonder Woman HitB where Mike is reading a Star Trek book for children and then goes on to complain about kids looking up to Wonder Woman).
But, seriously, that guy that does those "everything wrong with CinemaSins" should do a supercut of this review with previous RLM stuff to show how odd this review's criticisms sit with past reviews.
(Really, I'm legit shocked. That's the review? That's what they put out. Yikes!)
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I think it's just very, very obvious that they don't give a shit about Star Wars anymore and that they really should stop doing Plinkett Star Wars reviews.
Yeah, this is all true, though I'm still surprised Plinkett didn't know why they found them when in the last movie they were being targeted by the Starkiller Base, Leia even mentioned it.
I mean, the whole review is a case study of not paying the least bit of attention to the plot or the themes. So, it's not surprising honestly.
Bobvids has done "everything wrong with everything wrong with *insert movie here*" and "everything wrong with cinemasins" videos.
Shaun just does "everything wrong with cinemasins" on a roughly yearly basis.
Even though the same criticisms are getting tired, I do think they have a point about the film's 2nd/3rd act.
The movie should end with Snoke being killed and Kylo making the offer to Rey, and the initial reaction being that she does not immediately deny it. Cut to credits. That would be a great cliff hanger ending.
Luke should show up and rescue the Resistance in person.
I think that would've worked a lot better. I'd keep Rose, but cut out Canto Bight. I actually don't mind the planet and think it's fun to see other places, but in a film that has so much already going on, shoving that into the film was misguided and took away from screen time that could have been invested in Rey, who should be your main character.
The film kinda cops out of its main "subversion" which is the breaking of the whole Light/Dark, good/bad guys dynamic, it immediately has Rey turn down Kylo. Maybe let that linger for bit, let Kylo try and trick Rey into thinking he's not so bad for a bit.
The movie should end with Snoke being killed and Kylo making the offer to Rey, and the initial reaction being that she does not immediately deny it. Cut to credits. That would be a great cliff hanger ending.
Luke should show up and rescue the Resistance in person.
I think that would've worked a lot better. I'd keep Rose, but cut out Canto Bight. I actually don't mind the planet and think it's fun to see other places, but in a film that has so much already going on, shoving that into the film was misguided and took away from screen time that could have been invested in Rey, who should be your main character.
The film kinda cops out of its main "subversion" which is the breaking of the whole Light/Dark, good/bad guys dynamic, it immediately has Rey turn down Kylo. Maybe let that linger for bit, let Kylo try and trick Rey into thinking he's not so bad for a bit.
I don't have a google account and don't subscribe to youtube channels, using twitter and personal RSS feeds to monitor stuff I'm interested in, so I don't know about their stuff off hand. I could have seen a video or two from each about CinemaSins. Looking at the video titles, I think I've seen both of their stuff about them.
Also i forgot to mention.
That there was nothing wrong with what Rain said in that old interview. It's better to have something either loved or hated. mediocrity is the death of art.
That there was nothing wrong with what Rain said in that old interview. It's better to have something either loved or hated. mediocrity is the death of art.
Why ?
Because it's popular talking points by fuckwits.
Luke astral projecting there, Is the most Jedi ass Jedi thing he could have done.
Poe should be executed or at least get put on a trial for pulling something that could very potentially be ended the lives all members of the Resistance.
And yet the movie saw fit to make Holdo and Leia discussed how much of a likable guy he is, d'awwwwwwwwwwwwww, let's all forget that he's not told about the plan because he's demoted because disobeying orders, mmkay? Now all of a sudden Holdo find him likable.
And in the end Leia even delegated the leadership of the Resistance to him, the guy whose actions just before directly caused the deaths of many Resistance members and could also potentially wipe out all the remaining members. But nah, he's likable, so make him the leader, d'awwwwwwwwwwww.
All of these honestly makes the theme 'learning your lesson', in particular in how it relates to Poe, weak as fuck. The dude just devastated most of the members of the Rebellion and yet in the end he's awarded the position of leadership?
No wonder the Resistance is fucked. They should be feeling lucky because the First Order people are also equally incompetent as well.
And yet the movie saw fit to make Holdo and Leia discussed how much of a likable guy he is, d'awwwwwwwwwwwwww, let's all forget that he's not told about the plan because he's demoted because disobeying orders, mmkay? Now all of a sudden Holdo find him likable.
And in the end Leia even delegated the leadership of the Resistance to him, the guy whose actions just before directly caused the deaths of many Resistance members and could also potentially wipe out all the remaining members. But nah, he's likable, so make him the leader, d'awwwwwwwwwwww.
All of these honestly makes the theme 'learning your lesson', in particular in how it relates to Poe, weak as fuck. The dude just devastated most of the members of the Rebellion and yet in the end he's awarded the position of leadership?
No wonder the Resistance is fucked. They should be feeling lucky because the First Order people are also equally incompetent as well.
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Because it would be satisfying to the audience and the Resistance needs a hero if Rey is going through her own stuff. At some point you kinda gotta realize this isn't high art, these are just freaking popcorn movies.
You can do the subversive stuff by keeping the shock kill of Snoke and keeping the "Rey Nobody" and even go further by having Rey initially fall for Kylo's offer. That's even more bold.
The B-plot can have the Resistance being hunted down, right down to what seems like certain doom. Leia is surrounded, she puts up a heck of a fight, and then Luke shows up and Leia and Luke turn the tide. Audience goes bananas.
We cut back to Rey/Kylo, there's the shock ending of Snoke being killed, Rey seems to accept Kylo's offer, cut to credits.
That's actually bolder than what TLJ did, it pulls back from that too easily.
By far the weakest of all the plinket reviews imo.
For me the movie is ok, but this review didn't measure up to the in depth detailed analysis I'd usually expect from RLM, and it didn't really say anything particularly worthwhile that hasn't been said elsewhere.
For me the movie is ok, but this review didn't measure up to the in depth detailed analysis I'd usually expect from RLM, and it didn't really say anything particularly worthwhile that hasn't been said elsewhere.
People are seriously going to pick apart the review?
It wasn't as fresh or funny or in-depth as the prequel reviews, but nearly every criticism was on point. Plinkett gets into almost every reason the film sucked. He left some stuff on the table (should have spent more time on the idiocy of the suicide run scene and "that" line of dialogue), but the structural analysis is pretty comprehensive.
It wasn't as fresh or funny or in-depth as the prequel reviews, but nearly every criticism was on point. Plinkett gets into almost every reason the film sucked. He left some stuff on the table (should have spent more time on the idiocy of the suicide run scene and "that" line of dialogue), but the structural analysis is pretty comprehensive.
I've never claimed Star Wars is high art.
And one of the things that fan complained most about was Luke not doing OP Jedi shit. Yet him astral projecting across the galaxy is absolutely OP.
And him doing that at the same time made him a hero and inspiration to what was left of the resistance.
Disagree entirely as I've outlined. Felt like the worst and tired Plinkett review since the obligatory Avatar one. It was a total whiff.
Then the entire sequel trilogy would take place in the span of less than a week
It could have been better, but it did do a pretty good job breaking down the reasons why TLJ sucked, which is the most important thing.
Bu almost all of those reason were misunderstandings by not paying attention on their part.
There's like one of these - when he asks how the First Order found the Resistance base so quickly.
The meat of this review is about structure and storytelling decisions.
Everything about the the force was wrong. A couple of things about Ren.
And a few other things (which escape at the moment. Sorry)
Only via very basic nitpicky plot points and not liking how things happened versus what he/they wanted to happen (don't know how much involvement Rich had in this one). That's the problem. Compare that surface banality analysis to any other Plinkett review and it is a huge miss. No real talk about filmmaking or direction. No talk of overarching themes of characters. Just a lot of plot stuff. From RLM, that's a huge disappointment.
Unless you only watch movies for plot criticisms, in that case watch CinemaSins. RLM used to do more in-depth stuff. RLM should be above this type of stuff, missing basic facts/themes/plots outlined in the movie itself, and explained in previous videos.
Saying "it could have been better" is true. It could have, should have been better. It wasn't. It might be the worst of the Plinkett reviews. That's my point/issue.
To put it plainly:
What if the Baby's Day Out review was serious? What if the majority of the review was that stupid jail bar scene throwing the guy and not having his spine break or his head decapitate. Apply that "sound" logic to this review. That's what this review felt like, that surface level nitpicking for an hour, with a whole lot of the humor and cutaways and gags and live-action staging of the Plinkett reviews absolutely missing. That's this review. A buildup to a belch that instead feels like a mild cough.
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I just didn't feel like it resonated much, Luke Skywalker should already be a hero after the events of ROTJ, to be honest he buys the Resistance maybe 10-15 minutes by holo-projecting.
Sometimes it's OK to gives the fans a little red meat, seeing Luke and Leia kick some ass would've been pretty cool.
I think you want the film to end around where Snoke is killed and Rey has her choice. That's the dramatic "wow" moment of the film and would leave a great cliff hanger for the next film. That's your resolution, forget about casino planets and build to that moment.
But literally all of these changes would drastically either change the themes of the movie, and in the case of Luke, it would completely invalidate his victory in RotJ.
Having the ending on a cliffhanger like that would also be awful. ESB didn't need a huge cliffhanger ending, it had a bittersweet ending, it didn't end right when Vader tells Luke who's his daddy.
No. This is the result of a handful of posters making it their mission to push a specific narrative about RLM by steering the discussion towards anything else but the many valid criticisms about the movie mentioned in the video. The first few pages of this thread, when the video was up for a few mintues and no one could have possibly watched it yet since it's an hour long, is pretty telling in my opinion.
I don't think the themes of the film are that strong to be honest, even Luke in a way does an about face and comes to the conclusion that he needs to go back and help.
Why do it in such a hollow drawn out way, the story of Luke finding himself again could've felt a lot more satisfying than that.
You can have the little musical montage silent ending that all Star Wars films have with the remaining Resistance all meeting Luke, meanwhile that being intercut with Kylo and Rey looking out at their "new empire". Cut to credits. What we got is actually a safer ending, you wanna subvert things, well don't chicken out when you have the chance to do the mother of all subversions.
There are plenty of people lamenting the lack of nuanced discussion of the actual flaws who love the film. I think it's more likely that the people who are complaining about Holdo's hair are coming from the same place as RLM is.
Matt, have you followed this discussion from the start? Do you know who started talking about Holdo's hair and dress?
Plinkett reviews aren't really their oeuvre anymore as there's like 1000s of other "angry reviews" in 2018. seems like they just wanted to throw in their take on TLJ and leave it at that
which i kind of prefer, i feel they tried to set themselves apart with the TFA one but it was just a bunch of rambling that didn't have much to do with the movie itself.
What? In what way does this go against the themes of the movie?
This would also literally go against Rey's characterization leading up to that point.
But the movie doesn't go for subversion for the sake of subversion. That ending would literally be subversion for the sake of subversion because it makes no sense for Rey to do that.
I don't want to be as dogmatic as the people I'm criticizing so yes, it's possible. However, I think it's also very possible based on a multitude of posts at the beginning of this thread that some posters were determined to discredit this review before they could even watch it. Do you agree that it is a possibility too?
So mastubatory fan wank mess. And they already got that, it was call The Force Awakens.
It's not "one of these". It's the whole review. We're 'picking it apart' (I find it weird you have issue with people doing that but not with nitpicks that aren't logical like RLM did in the video, plus we're discussing the subject of the thread, the video) because it's just very badly done and not even a critique of the actual film. It's endless proof they didn't pay attention to the plot, dialogue or themes more than anything else.
Laughed the whole way through, hilarious.
They were right on every fucking point especially about the comedy of errors and comparing to Vacation. Just a bad film.
Also, a quick joke about a character having hair with a color that stands out...well, I don't know how anybody here can muster up the energy to be offended by that. Making fun of people's hairstyles is not a serious judgment cast on an individual or their gender. And then to suggest that they were dog whistling to the alt-right? Haha...Jesus.
All in all, great review.
They were right on every fucking point especially about the comedy of errors and comparing to Vacation. Just a bad film.
Also, a quick joke about a character having hair with a color that stands out...well, I don't know how anybody here can muster up the energy to be offended by that. Making fun of people's hairstyles is not a serious judgment cast on an individual or their gender. And then to suggest that they were dog whistling to the alt-right? Haha...Jesus.
All in all, great review.
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