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4859

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
7,046
In the weak and the wounded
No it's fucking truth. If you vote for a party that supports racism and bigotry then guess what?


You are a racist and a bigot for supporting racism and bigotry. It's not rocket science.

Exactly.

You don't have to be overtly racist to be a racist.

The kkk are still racist when they take off their robes and blend in.


You don't have to scream slurs to be bigoted and racist.

Voting for racist policy, written by racists, to appeal to racists, designed to hurt certain people...

Is racist, regaurdless of whatever bullshit excuse is made up. Because people who do that, have demonstrated lives of a certain color are less important to them, than things.

Which is literally a distilled textbook definition, of racism.
 

Coyote Starrk

The Fallen
Oct 30, 2017
53,073
I do empathize with real minorities, but we were specifically speaking to the the blanket claims that every person who voted for Trump or who has right leaning political views is just racist/bigot/sexist etc...

Like I said above if you support racism and bigotry then you yourself are a racist and a bigot. And the Republican party and its base is built on those very things. So if you support them then yes you are gonna be called a racist and a bigot.


You don't wanna be labeled as such? Then support better candidates and find better values. But sitting there acting surprised and astonished when you get labeled as a bigot for supporting bigots is fucking ridiculous.
 

SaviourMK2

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
1,711
CT
There is nothing I can say that doesn't involve me shitting all over conservatives or their values. And trying to filter myself makes my opinion pointless so I'll be frank because at the end of the day.... well I'll cover that in my answer.

Their role on this forum, I feel, is to observe the liberal outrage from both moderate Democrats/Liberals to Progressive and Socialist Democrats, and observe only. Simply, I hate the Republican party, I hate their platform, I hate their ideology, and most importantly I hate their "All for One" policy. I'm only 30 years old and growing up, I didn't know jack shit about politics, all I knew was that my father voted Republican, his mother didn't vote (But she was also one of the most irresponsible people on the planet god bless her) my mother didn't vote, her parents where life long Republicans until 2016. I'll admit growing up I didn't know my place in politics and my first real election was the 2008 elections, my first actual time voting I voted for Linda McMahon for some post, I cant recall, simply because I knew where she came from.
I admit I voted for Barack Obama because I wanted to see the first black President and thought McCain was insanely old (but 60+ seemed too old to me at the time). It wasn't until roughly 2010-2011 I started discovering my political identity.
I lived by simple moral codes growing up. I was into super heroes and power rangers so helping others even at the cost of myself was a no brainer. People should always have food on the table. People shouldn't be living on the streets. People should be able to shower, clean and shave. I was also becoming more interested in other cultures and wanted to intergrate more with people who celebrated different holidays or spoke different languages, so I began to lean Democrat.
I started watching news outlets and reading newspapers (I admit I never subscribed, I worked at a convenience store and had to throw them out every night so i read them first), what I saw on Fox was horrifying and divisive. They kept running segments on welfare and shitting on poor people as though helping others was a sin of the greatest nature.
Republicans opposed repealing don't ask, don't tell.
Republicans opposed gay marriage and praised people like Davis who continued to break the law.
Republicans elected men like Cruz who yelled at an audience that the homosexuals where causing the US to burn causing a little girl in the audience to freak out.
Republicans elected Trump who continue to divide people, lie and make everyone who criticizes him an enemy of the people, and the ones who didn't vote for him or don't support him are not doing enough to push back on their crazy cousins.
Republicans allow the NRA to dictate policy on gun studies.
Republicans allow this disgusting corruption in the Trump administration to go unopposed and actily look for ways to obstruct or stop investigations.

Over time I went from lean Democrat, to strong Democrat to pure Democrat. I'm never going to vote Republican, I'm never even going to consider Republican and I'll never even consider voting for a 3rd party unless the Republican candidate has no chance of beating the Democrat in an election (Just to prevent them from obtaining office).
Republicans turned a, who used to be gentle jolly natured, friend of mine into a brainless, angry, hateful alt-righter who just shits all over black people, latinos, muslims and liberals (And he's not even American, he's canadian) when Trump came onto the scene. I lost that friend the day he shared a news article praising the death of muslims who died when a crane malfunction caused it to fall onto a mosque and kill people at a prayer session during an anniversary of 9/11. to this madness. I lost family to this madness as well, I've has to cut at least 4 members of my family (Whom I was only able to keep up with on FB) because their insanity that liberals and fake news where subhuman, and the enemy of he people.
I know there are still some good people in the world who are Republican, but I've lost faith in their message, I've lost faith in them as a whole and hope that the good ones safely reach the arc and cross the river safely.

I want to say I hate Republicans. I want to say I loathe Conservationism and right wingers are the source of all political pain in history but I also don't care about them enough to have an honest discussion with them. I'm disappointed in them and never, ever want to hear their political plights, ever.

But I know they don't care because I'm just another braindead libtard who hates America, which is why I'm pretty much just unloading my thoughts. So I don't care about them either. The difference is I know at the end of day i'll still be the better man and help them when they need it, whether I want to or not.
 

gozu

Member
Oct 27, 2017
10,341
America
I'm a conservative, republican, and voted Trump and don't regret it

Let me ask you a hypothetical question:

Let's assume that, one year from now, you decide that you were wrong, that Trump is the worst president ever and that you did a harmful thing voting for him, and that you are technically partially responsible for the suffering, deaths and corruption of lots and lots of people. That, in fact, he didn't help the economy at all and is exactly what the left (and republican never-trumpers) have been saying he is all along. Basically one step short of Mussolini. An american Erdogan. An absolute shit stain on this country's history.

My question is:


How ashamed or disgusted would you feel?
How much would you blame him for tricking you and how much would you blame yourself for allowing yourself to fall for it?
And, finally, how long would it take you to forgive yourself?

This is my hypothetical question to you.

Any other trump voters can feel free to also answer. I'm genuinely curious. I want to understand this phenomenon better.
 
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Heromanz

Heromanz

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
20,202
Been following this thread for the last day and if you can ignore the one-liner shitposts, there's some excellent points made in here, on both sides™. I'm a conservative, republican, and voted Trump and don't regret it, on a macro level, which means taking into account what I feel affects the most possible people in our country across a wide variety of demographics , our economy and job growth. Nearly every economic indicator is positive and we're well into year two of his presidency; it would be disingenuous to imply this is still all Obama's doing. Of course I'm not supportive of Miller's family separation debacle, it's insane and even if it wasn't Trump's idea he still signed off on it, did he not? The man is far too easily coerced by people he considers loyal to him. Who better to coerce him than politicians and other people working in Washington? That's a huge issue with the administration and why it's so important he surrounds himself with better people.

As far as having a place on this forum, here's a reply I liked:



Don't be an asshole and don't troll and you'll "survive" because being a Republican and/or a Trump supporter isn't against the TOS from what I gather. Until that changes, just use some common sense when you post. Here's a couple of examples of what I mean by that:

https://www.resetera.com/threads/wh...-supporters-around.58137/page-5#post-10863504

That's my post in the "What would it take to turn Trump supporters around?" thread from a few weeks ago. I took time to write it and articulate my thoughts. Peep the rest of the thread, like page 3 and 4, where there's several posts of just a GIF. If you come into these threads as a Republican and post a shitty one-liner or a gif and then get dogpiled and agitated enough to keep replying and snowballing it out of control into a warning or ban, that's your fault because you didn't use common sense when posting. Of course a no-effort reply that's against the grain is going to aggravate people and if you do that intentionally, you're either 1) trolling... that's the definition of trolling, or if it's unintentional and you go run to another site to complain about the hypocrisy, then you're 2) an idiot that lacks common sense.

Check out Belmonkey's post below mine implying that because of what I said about the economy I must be okay with kids in cages; Webster's exact definition of a false equivalency. That type of low-effort garbage isn't worth a reply, and if you do reply to it and you end up going back and forth, chances are it's going to snowball out of control.

Another example of common sense... I think this is a phenomenal article below, but I wouldn't dare create a whole thread for it, even though it's perfectly suited for one, as I'm not 1) or 2) above.


https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-media-keep-falling-into-the-trump-trap-1534892905

Take a wild guess what would happen if I made that thread or, frankly, anything positive about the current administration? If you know the answer and the consequences, why do it? And then run along to cry about it somewhere else "SEE... I got banned for X while blah blah".

This is a community and every community doesn't adhere by the same rules. If you don't like them or think they're unfair, there's plenty of other communities that could fit you. If your friend's family had a rule to never do (whatever) inside their home, and you broke that rule intentionally, even though it's perfectly fine to do at all your other friends' homes, don't complain about what happens next. Traveling to other countries is a better example of that in terms of adhering to their customs and cultural norms. It's not hard to NOT get banned if you use some common sense when you post and aren't an asshole.
Are you going to be one of those dudes who post a post like this but never returns?
 

JustinP

Member
Oct 25, 2017
6,343
Nearly every economic indicator is positive and we're well into year two of his presidency; it would be disingenuous to imply this is still all Obama's doing.
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Trump supporters that say he has improved the economy should be able to point to where on the graph it shows where Trump turned Obama's economy around
 

Deleted member 8257

Oct 26, 2017
24,586
Lol, all the argument boils down to "2 years of economic growth!!" for Trumpers, as if the continuous growth under Obama was just made up. Fuckin hate the trash reasons people have for voting Trump.
 
Oct 26, 2017
5,435
"Helped the economy" lol.

Markets: S&P 500 been climbing steadily since 2009 (I believe over 250% up since)

4.1 (quarterly ) GDP. Been there done that . A meaningless figure when you're pumping out products that don't resolve our trade deficit.

Borrowing up 84% in a year where we are seeing this supposed record breaking year in te markets and economy.

Back to $1 trillion in federal deficit next year. Will help when that next recession hits am I right?

Taxes down? To the elite at the expense of small businesses (of which I own one) and middle class. 2019 taxes is going to be fun. Most of our write offs were taken away hurting hurting margins.

Rates are rising. That money that people are seemingly saving from their tax cuts? Goes to higher interests rates in loans , eating discretionary income and consumer confidence.
 

Bandage

Member
Oct 25, 2017
11,626
The Internet
I've honestly had it.
No good comes from voting for, associating with or being a conservative/Republican.
They're awful creatures that are destroying our world.
Every day more evidence of it shows up.
And if you get upset by this post, then you're part of the problem.
 

4859

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
7,046
In the weak and the wounded
"Helped the economy" lol.

Markets: S&P 500 been climbing steadily since 2009 (I believe over 250% up since)

4.1 (quarterly ) GDP. Been there done that . A meaningless figure when you're pumping out products that don't resolve our trade deficit.

Borrowing up 84% in a year where we are seeing this supposed record breaking year in te markets and economy.

Back to $1 trillion in federal deficit next year. Will help when that next recession hits am I right?

Taxes down? To the elite at the expense of small businesses (of which I own one) and middle class. 2019 taxes is going to be fun. Most of our write offs were taken away hurting hurting margins.

Rates are rising. That money that people are seemingly saving from their tax cuts? Goes to higher interests rates in loans , eating discretionary income and consumer confidence.


It can't be that bad.

You're making it sound like our countries economy is being handled by an idiot who couldn't keep a casino running, and tried to sell steaks exclusively through a single electronics retail store, whos being advised by an economics advisor Jared found via an Amazon search.
 

GrooveCommand

Banned
Oct 28, 2017
1,340
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Trump supporters that say he has improved the economy should be able to point to where on the graph it shows where Trump turned Obama's economy around

I'll let you in on a little secret: the unemployment rate doesn't mean jack shit to the average joe. Just having a job shouldn't be a bar that we set for ourselves, especially when we all make exploitation wages just so the guys at the top can amass unseemly amounts of wealth. Even if we all had jobs, we would all still be underpaid and overworked and would only benefit marginally from employment.

In fact, you should be seeing wages going up because our economy is becoming more productive. What we see instead is that all that additional wealth is being funneled UP (trickle down is for idiots) to the upper class.

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Capitalism has run rampant.
 

GrooveCommand

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Oct 28, 2017
1,340
It can't be that bad.

You're making it sound like our countries economy is being handled by an idiot who couldn't keep a casino running, and tried to sell steaks exclusively through a single electronics retail store, whos being advised by an economics advisor Jared found via an Amazon search.

The best genes! so smart! so beautiful!
 
Oct 28, 2017
6,219
I don't think anyone will ask you to tolerate Lee Atwater.

I never said tolerate intolerance. I'm saying not all conservatives are racist or sexist or homophobic, and as long as that's the case, those people should be tolerated and engaged with.
I'm not either. What I am saying is that the rest of you sure do fall silent when it comes to that part of the party. You(meaning the party) don't seem to have any problem with them in any material way and what they are doing to the brand. Their votes seems to be the only thing that matters. It seems that conservatives are incapable of introspection and lack self awareness too. All the problems of the world are outward. The party needs to learn how to look in the mirror.

I mean we were told that ACA was the worst thing in the world by conservatives for 7 years. It has been 9 years now and I still haven't seen a feasible Republican plan. THEY DONT HAVE A PLAN YET! And the rest of you are church mice on the issue. It's shameful.

All we heard about during the Obama presidency was how he was running up the deficit and how all he did was golf. Now that Trump has added a trillion and spent over 100 million of your taxpayer dollars on golfing, you have all lost your tongues. Not a word. I see you.

As far as I am concerned the Republican party and conservatives are made up of hypocrites, liars, grifters, dupes, fake Christians, marks, useful idiots and boiling frogs. But I will listen to any of you that can put together a decent argument and can employ some introspection.
 

JustinP

Member
Oct 25, 2017
6,343
I'll let you in on a little secret: the unemployment rate doesn't mean jack shit to the average joe. Just having a job shouldn't be a bar that we set for ourselves, especially when we all make exploitation wages just so the guys at the top can amass unseemly amounts of wealth. Even if we all had jobs, we would all still be underpaid and overworked and would only benefit marginally from employment.

In fact, you should be seeing wages going up because our economy is becoming more productive. What we see instead is that all that additional wealth is being funneled UP (trickle down is for idiots) to the upper class.

TtT5Cdc.jpg


Capitalism has run rampant.
That wasn't the point.

It was just one indicator as an example to show how little of an effect trump has had on the economy. I think you'd generally see the same thing no matter what indicator you use. Maybe a little bit of acceleration in stock prices (though more volatile), maybe some stagnation in wage growth, but nothing that shows Trump turned our economy around in a positive way.
 

4859

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
7,046
In the weak and the wounded
Let me ask you a hypothetical question:

Let's assume that, one year from now, you decide that you were wrong, that Trump is the worst president ever and that you did a harmful thing voting for him, and that you are technically partially responsible for the suffering, deaths and corruption of lots and lots of people. That, in fact, he didn't help the economy at all and is exactly what the left (and republican never-trumpers) have been saying he is all along. Basically one step short of Mussolini. An american Erdogan. An absolute shit stain on this country's history.

My question is:


How ashamed or disgusted would you feel?
How much would you blame him for tricking you and how much would you blame yourself for allowing yourself to fall for it?
And, finally, how long would it take you to forgive yourself?

This is my hypothetical question to you.

Any other trump voters can feel free to also answer. I'm genuinely curious. I want to understand this phenomenon better.


"Why are you so stuck on the past? Just move on, racism is over now."
 

GrooveCommand

Banned
Oct 28, 2017
1,340
That wasn't the point.

It was just one indicator as an example to show how little of an effect trump has had on the economy. I think you'd generally see the same thing no matter what indicator you use. Maybe a little bit of acceleration in stock prices (though more volatile), maybe some stagnation in wage growth, but nothing that shows Trump turned our economy around in a positive way.

I'm not disagreeing with you. I just get sick of people using the economy as a measure of how successful the President (and our country) is. As if to say, even if Donald Trump was responsible for how successful our economy is currently, it's not really helping out anyone except for those who are already rich and successful.

In any case though, Trump is definitely not doing our economy any favors right now and it's only a matter of time before a downturn comes. Especially with all this tariff crap.
 

Llazy

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
1,073
Wait wasen't Trump a democrat at some point, I wonder if people here would have different opinions of him if he ran as one.
 

DarthWalden

Prophet of Truth
The Fallen
Oct 27, 2017
6,030
Like I said above if you support racism and bigotry then you yourself are a racist and a bigot. And the Republican party and its base is built on those very things. So if you support them then yes you are gonna be called a racist and a bigot.


You don't wanna be labeled as such? Then support better candidates and find better values. But sitting there acting surprised and astonished when you get labeled as a bigot for supporting bigots is fucking ridiculous.

The problem in the states is its either republican or democrat. If you couldn't stand Hillary Clinton it was trump and vice versa. If you strongly disagree with the democrats view on economy you were probably going to vote Trump.

So in a lot of aspects your labeling someone that maybe just went with the lesser of two evils in their eyes on certain issues.
 

Skelepuzzle

Member
Apr 17, 2018
6,119
Wait wasen't Trump a democrat at some point, I wonder if people here would have different opinions of him if he ran as one.

He would have never made it past the primaries, even if he managed to get in. His history of racism would have fucked him over hard.

So no, because he'd still be a dumbfuck racist who ran with the birther shit and wanted 5 innocent men executed.
 

Coyote Starrk

The Fallen
Oct 30, 2017
53,073
So in a lot of aspects your labeling someone that maybe just went with the lesser of two evils in their eyes on certain issues.

If someone running a campaign based on open racism, bigotry, xenophobia and homophobia is considered the "lesser of two evils" then you need to re-evaluate your life and where it went wrong.
 

4859

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
7,046
In the weak and the wounded
The problem in the states is its either republican or democrat. If you couldn't stand Hillary Clinton it was trump and vice versa. If you strongly disagree with the democrats view on economy you were probably going to vote Trump.

So in a lot of aspects your labeling someone that maybe just went with the lesser of two evils in their eyes on certain issues.

If that's what they think is the lesser of two evils, they've labeled themselves.
 

Rendering...

Member
Oct 30, 2017
19,089
"The graph is strong because of its proud, white background."
Lmao

Wait wasen't Trump a democrat at some point, I wonder if people here would have different opinions of him if he ran as one.
Caging children is a great idea that Trump ruined by being a Republican.

Denying climate science, undoing every Obama policy in reach, attacking the media, hiring fools and liars, and souring the US's diplomatic relationships are also bold and praiseworthy moves that are unfortunately tainted by Trump's party status.
 
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4859

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
7,046
In the weak and the wounded
Wait wasen't Trump a democrat at some point, I wonder if people here would have different opinions of him if he ran as one.

Yes, because this board thinks SO highly of pre-southern strategy democrats.

Protip: I know this concept is really hard to understand, as one side has not been able to figure it out for pages, but It's not the name people don't like, it's the behavior and actions. You can't say a specific set of words, and get a prescribed and desired reaction, that doesn't actually work, because it's not certain words or labels people are responding too.
 
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Metallix87

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Nov 1, 2017
10,533
Yeah.

Though I think the 'conservatives' in this thread have done a pretty damn good job in showing exacly what their place and purpose on this board is.
I hope you're not referring to me. I elaborated on my fiscal conservatism in here, and engage as I can regularly.
 

4859

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
7,046
In the weak and the wounded
User banned (1 week): hostility towards other members, a history of similar behavior
I hope you're not referring to me. I elaborated on my fiscal conservatism in here, and engage as I can regularly.

Yes, you think its ok to kidnap little brown kids because you don't have to see it and it doesn't affect you personally, and the rich get tax breaks and money you will never see, but you feel good by association.

We know.
 

skillzilla81

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Banned
Oct 25, 2017
10,043
Wait wasen't Trump a democrat at some point, I wonder if people here would have different opinions of him if he ran as one.

You right, it's the party he ran as that's the problem. Not the racism, misogyny, sexism, homophibia, and general stupidity.

We accept that when you run as a dem.
 

Metallix87

User Requested Self-Ban
Banned
Nov 1, 2017
10,533
Yes, you think its ok to kidnap little brown kids because you don't have to see it and it doesn't affect you personally, and the rich get tax breaks and money you will never see, but you feel good by association.

We know.
Go find one post of mine that supports any of that shit. I fucking dare you. Don't fucking attack my character and put that shit on me because you feel so high and mighty and proud of your liberalism to condemn anyone who isn't fully in line with your mindset.
 

I Don't Like

Member
Dec 11, 2017
14,918
You so called "conservatives" can move the goal posts all you want.

Bottom line is if you still identify yourself as conservative or republican or right-wing, you stand for everything horrible and negative about the U.S.

If you want to play the, "Socially liberal but fiscally conservative" shit, you can - doesn't make a huge difference.

There is nothing redeemable about being a conservative in 2018 and that's an inescapable fact.
 

Ponn

User requested account closure
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Oct 26, 2017
3,171
Go find one post of mine that supports any of that shit. I fucking dare you. Don't fucking attack my character and put that shit on me because you feel so high and mighty and proud of your liberalism to condemn anyone who isn't fully in line with your mindset.

I actually could not see his post prior. The text is white and his quotes are blank for me on mobile. I'll do my best to tackle his post when I return home tonight, as there's a lot there to unpack.

Waiting on that follow up with baited breath since you seem to have the time.
 

4859

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
7,046
In the weak and the wounded
Go find one post of mine that supports any of that shit. I fucking dare you. Don't fucking attack my character and put that shit on me because you feel so high and mighty and proud of your liberalism to condemn anyone who isn't fully in line with your mindset.

You are on here stanning for conservative policies right fucking now, which you claim to only be in for, for your 'fiscal conservative' bullshit.

Your entire body of actions in this thread IS the proof.

You don't have to SAY certain key words or phrases, for everyone to SEE what you are doing.

I'm literally sitting in a theater with my girlfriend waiting for our film to start.

Lmfao.
 

Metallix87

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Nov 1, 2017
10,533
You are on here stanning for conservative policies right fucking now, which you claim to only be in for, for your 'fiscal conservative' bullshit.

Your entire body of actions in this thread IS the proof.

You don't have to SAY certain key words or phrases, for everyone to SEE what you are doing.
Enlighten me, what am I doing, exactly? Without any of your condescension, if that's at all possible for you.
 

Big One

Member
Oct 25, 2017
5,277
Wait wasen't Trump a democrat at some point, I wonder if people here would have different opinions of him if he ran as one.
No. The simple fact is that Trump is not fit to run the office. At least cunts like Mitt Romney would know what they hell they're doing if they were in there. Trump is a complete dunce.