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Drinkbox put attributed forum quotes in Guacamelee 2 without permission. OK/not OK?

Death Penalty

Death Penalty

Avenger
Oct 27, 2017
3,305
Legally nothing wrong with this, but if the choice is between asking permission and not asking permission then I would want someone to go with the first one just about every time, if only because using a forum handle that may still be in use or used across multiple media sites could potentially open that person to unwanted attention. The likelihood isn't high, but really the only thing you need to do to make it practically zero is not include the handles.

Would that count as lack of attribution though?
 
The Shape

The Shape

Member
Nov 7, 2017
5,027
Brazil
Well, we all agree to the terms of service of the forums we post on. I don't really think anything I post here "belongs" to me and I certainly wouldn't mind if I saw it somewhere else. It's not my name, it's not my picture.

Edit (from the ToS): By submitting user content to ResetEra, you grant us a royalty-free, perpetual, irrevocable, non-exclusive, unrestricted, worldwide license to reproduce, prepare derivative works, distribute copies, perform, or publicly display your user content in any medium and for any purpose, including commercial purposes, and to authorize others to do so.
 
plake

plake

Member
Nov 3, 2017
205
Just cleared it today and it was hilarious. Can't even understand people had issues with the memes in the first game. Gg Drinkbox!
 
Fisty

Fisty

Member
Oct 25, 2017
20,222
If you want to bring a lawsuit, you have to prove that's your account.

You can bet your ass the defense attorney is going to bring up those posts you made. You know the ones I'm talking about.
 
impact

impact

Banned
Oct 26, 2017
5,380
Tampa
If you take your forum posts that serious, then you deserve to be mocked by Drinkbox anyway.

They're words on a public forum, get a grip on reality. You don't own anything.
 
headspawn

headspawn

Member
Oct 27, 2017
14,618
People on a forum where they post meme shit all day are upset a game has different meme's in it so a developer puts their hottakes into the game... thus turning them into memes.

Amazing.
 
PaulloDEC

PaulloDEC

Visited by Knack
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Oct 25, 2017
7,422
Australia
A comment posted in a public forum is fair game IMO. You certainly don't deserve to be paid because someone took a dumb sentence you said and put it in a game.

If it's something like a short story, that would obviously be a different thing.
 
Expy

Expy

Member
Oct 26, 2017
9,865
It's like asking for permission before you quote someone in this very thread.
 
.exe

.exe

Member
Oct 25, 2017
22,233
Oh, for crying out loud. If people don't want to be quoted, maybe they shouldn't be writing things on the internet. Where it can be read by anyone. Anywhere. Out in the open. On the in-ter-net.
 
Renteka-Bond

Renteka-Bond

Chicken Chaser
Member
Dec 28, 2017
4,271
Clearwater, Florida
I was just asking my friend if the usernames in there were real because I was already positive that the comments were real.

Personally, I don't really care if they got permission or not as the words that were said were already said publicly, so it's not like they went into private means to get them. I'd think it was funny if one of my comments ended up in the game the way it did here and move on, because mission accomplished.
 

Deleted member 15326

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Oct 27, 2017
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If it's usernames and not actual names it's fine

The people quoted are probably happy about the attention anyway

Just saw the video and recognized a few posters lmao
 
travisbickle

travisbickle

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
2,953
Lol. Good luck exposing anything Donald Trump ever says/writes if you start mandating permission or monetary compensation for it.
 
Gundam

Gundam

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
12,801
Completely OK. As is Mega64's usage of forums for scripture in Flame War Theatre. In my eyes the situations aren't much different.
 
Mentok

Mentok

Member
Oct 27, 2017
3,600
You think them putting quotes in the game is bad?! There are people here that have the audacity to quote others in the very same threads the original post came from!! Without permission!!
 
Hektor

Hektor

Community Resettler
Banned
Oct 25, 2017
9,884
Deutschland
On the one hand: This is a really unique and cool way to deal with shittier criticism and internet comments.

On the other hand: I fully agree with all the people cited within this dankest of caves that an abundance of unoriginally interpreted internet memes is trash tier humor, painfully dates the game and requires virtually zero skill to pull off compared to actually original jokes. And as such i don't think these comments in particular were deserving of being dunked on like this.
 
Spacejaws

Spacejaws

One Winged Slayer
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Oct 27, 2017
7,814
Scotland
Forum posts and the names of posters get quoted all the time on gaming news articles etc. How is this much different?

How can you demand permission for one but not the other?
 

Deleted member 36578

Dec 21, 2017
26,561
It's totally ok imo. I look at something like Mega64 flame war theater the same way . All public forum posts . You can quote whoever you want.
 
Grettir_the_Swole

Grettir_the_Swole

Member
Nov 1, 2017
1,348
FL, United States
Bernkastel said:
Drinkbox just shot themselves in the foot.

I don't know how much the rest of you know about forum culture (I'm an expert), but honor and shame are huge parts of it. It's not like it is on youtube where you can become successful by being an asshole. If you screw someone over in a forum, you bring shame to yourself, and the only way to get rid of that shame is repentance.

What this means is the forum public, after hearing about this, is not going to want to purchase Guacamelee 2, nor will they purchase any of Drinkbox games. This is HUGE. You can laugh all you want, but Drinkbox has alienated an entire market with this move.

Drinkbox, publicly apologize and erase this area from the game or you can kiss your business goodbye.
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This is solid.

Nevertheless, I can't imagine members have much agency in public forums. I bet there's some odd legal bylaw that exonerates the posters from any ownership of what they post.
 
joedick

joedick

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Mar 19, 2018
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Smash-It Stan said:
Because its the same reason why topical humour is looked down upon generally, it dates your product heavily. No ones gonna understand any of the posters plastered in Guacamelee 1 in 5-10 years(or now even), but a forum post is a thing thats happening right here right now, you could go to a different section of the website and probably see a thread about a meme someone just referenced. A game is a time capsule almost, its why stuff like the comedy in Borderlands 2 is so cringey because it's very forced and yet a play off of current events.
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The joke made in this thread is literally 10 years old. It's just odd to me that these recycled jokes are celebrated on a forum that talks about video games but are reviled in the video games themselves. To each his own I guess, at the end of the day it's no big deal to me.
 
Psittacus

Psittacus

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Oct 27, 2017
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Mentok said:
You think them putting quotes in the game is bad?! There are people here that have the audacity to quote others in the very same threads the original post came from!! Without permission!!
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I think technically the forum owner is granting permission in that case, because the owner and poster jointly own copyright of the post.

But also these scenarios are all either:

a) Fair Use, or
b) Something that a judge would probably throw out for being petty and wasting their time
 

Deleted member 37739

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Jan 8, 2018
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I love Drinkbox. I write all my posts here with the knowledge they can be quoted down the line - forums are a form of publication.
 
Hella

Hella

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Oct 27, 2017
23,405
I'm shocked Drinkbox had the gall to do this; it's so petty. It's a virtual pillory for their detractors.

I will be boycotting anything Drinkbox develops (or publishes) from this point onwards. I'm not supporting that shit.
 
Jaypah

Jaypah

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Oct 27, 2017
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lactatingduck said:
They have no claim or right to anything. Don't say things in public if you don't want to be quoted and cited later.

There is no expectation of privacy in public—offline or online. This is settled law.
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Sure. I just honestly never thought anything I posted would end up in a video game. Like 99.9 percent of this shit doesn't end up anywhere.

Also I don't find this funny but I also don't find it offensive. It seems kind of petty and defensive which I guess is a kind of funny.

Edit: Just realized that this reads like I was quoted in the game. I was not.
 
Strings

Strings

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Oct 27, 2017
31,419
I thought the cave was overly petty (though saved by the Bane meme at the end), but have no issue with the way it's done.
 
ObbyDent

ObbyDent

Attempted to circumvent ban with alt account
Banned
Oct 27, 2017
1,910
Los Angeles
I don't like the fact that names are included. This could open people up to abuse especially if people share usernames over different services.

There's a reason that those mean tweet readings by celebrities blur or remove the username.
 
janusff

janusff

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Oct 25, 2017
18,134
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Cess007

Cess007

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Oct 27, 2017
14,114
B.C., Mexico
ObbyDent said:
I don't like the fact that names are included. This could open people up to abuse especially if people share usernames over different services.

There's a reason that those mean tweet readings by celebrities blur or remove the username.
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Uh? They do not. They leave the username: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f4d_GDrpVuw

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They do only blur the handler IF the handler is their name. If it's only an username, they leave the whole thing.
 
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sibarraz

sibarraz

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Oct 27, 2017
18,107
So, can anyone recognize any user from that section?
 

Deleted member 5864

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ObbyDent said:
I don't like the fact that names are included. This could open people up to abuse especially if people share usernames over different services.

There's a reason that those mean tweet readings by celebrities blur or remove the username.
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They absolutely do not remove it, lol. That is how we found out that Ryan Davis, rest his soul, was delivering sick burns to Mark Ruffalo way after he passed. Forums, just like other social platforms, are public. You open yourself to be quoted whenever you write something in them.
 
Kuro

Kuro

Member
Oct 25, 2017
20,654
Hella said:
I'm shocked Drinkbox had the gall to do this; it's so petty. It's a virtual pillory for their detractors.

I will be boycotting anything Drinkbox develops (or publishes) from this point onwards. I'm not supporting that shit.
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You really want to be in Guacamelee 3 huh? Well top this!

Drinkbox? More like Douchebox! You should rename Guacamelee to Cacamelee!

I want to have an absurdly long mustache in Guacamelee 3
 
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