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Alice

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Nov 2, 2017
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Link to anything damning? I'm legit not trying to bust your balls here, I just want to know if I missed something throughout the years. Like, if you'd tell me Adam from YMS is kinda iffy on being a decent progressive human being, I'd believe you. But I just can't remember anything suspect from the RLM crew.

"Damning" is a stretch. It's just that the stuff he has Plinkett say really matches with his more genuine and candid videos all over the place. All of the TLJ videos they've done before, for example.

Mike certainly isn't Alt-Right, let alone a racist or what the fuck ever, but he has been dropping a lot of "lol them SJW amirite" things here and there, not to mention the shitty ass "Sony made up the Ghostbusters outrage themselves" takes.


Alice You want to respond to my post ? After you jumped down my throat.

I what? You quoted me once, and I responded to you. I don't recall jumping down your throat.


No i didn't watch the video. Which is why my first post in this thread was asking whether i should waste my time on it or not.

Oh, genuinely missed that one. Video certainly wasn't worth my time. It's the same stuff they talked on Half in the Bag with some added "lel SJW" stuff.
 

Garlador

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Oct 30, 2017
14,131
Not a Star Wars fan, enjoyed the original trilogy, and felt that The Last Jedi fell apart on its own merits.

Really nothing more than that.
 

Seesaw15

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Oct 27, 2017
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His TFA review wasn't very good or entertaining. I never go back to it.

I truly feel like people's opinions will change once the trilogy closes out. Then would have been a better time to make a retrospective.

Yeah its funny that these Plinkett reviews are suffering the same fate as the SW trilogy. I thought TFA was okay and I enjoyed TLJ but the lack of overall structure is showing. These reviews would have been better with some distance like they did with the prequels. Coming out 8 months after the films feel super reactionary and not as well thought out/timeless as the prequel reviews.
 

jviggy43

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Oct 28, 2017
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Link to anything damning? I'm legit not trying to bust your balls here, I just want to know if I missed something throughout the years. Like, if you'd tell me Adam from YMS is kinda iffy on being a decent progressive human being, I'd believe you. But I just can't remember anything suspect from the RLM crew.
RLM says highly questionable shit all of the time. If i had to guess a lot of ti comes from their cynicism towards hollywood using diversity as a marketing tool rather than an end in and of itself but my problem with that is, what does it matter? Diversity is a good thing even if its only being done because execs see money signs. I don't understand their trepidation with it. I also think saying something like WW can't or shouldn't be a role model for little girls while they totally grew up idolizing star trek and other fictional characters and don't say a word about boys having role models is stupid. I dont think theyre doing it on purpose to bemoan diversity, I think theyre doing their "I hate hollywood and their marketing tactics" cynicism shtick but ultimately that does appeal to the alt right base who probably dont take it that way and it makes them seem ignorant on a lot of issues.

More importantly Rich says a lot of stupid shit on their streams. I argue about this everytime it comes up in the RLM thread and it pisses me off because they dont need to reach for such low hanging fruit in order to make their points.
 

Xaszatm

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Oct 25, 2017
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Ok, real talk, I don't get the "it's a happy ending" thing. It's pretty obvious that it's the ESB ending where there is hope because the worst is behind us ending. That's...not happy. No one is happy.
 

Nappuccino

The Fallen
Oct 25, 2017
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So when Mike says stuff like. Little kids don't care if they see themselves of the screen (as a dismissal or diversity) in TFA plinkett. Or when he said the same kind of shit during the WW HIITB. That's just him the character of Plinkett ?
Yep, those are the comments of his I find super distasteful, just completely unaware of his own privilege.
 

Jeffolation

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Oct 30, 2017
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Edit: I'm not about the call people who dislike TLJ "alt-right" on principle or anything, either, given an earlier discussion in the thread. There are parts of the movie that I can see would be glaring flaws to others that I feel didn't effect the quality in the slightest, or were even GOOD. But goddamn someone can do a critique without going with the talking points such people WOULD use.
That's what proper film reviews are for. Nobody should care what these useless assholes with a youtube channel think.
 

Khezu

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Oct 25, 2017
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Star Wars sucks and they should stop wasting time on it and make some Matrix reviews instead.
 

Sanjuro

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RLM says highly questionable shit all of the time. If i had to guess a lot of ti comes from their cynicism towards hollywood using diversity as a marketing tool rather than an end in and of itself but my problem with that is, what does it matter? Diversity is a good thing even if its only being done because execs see money signs. I don't understand their trepidation with it. I also think saying something like WW can't or shouldn't be a role model for little girls while they totally grew up idolizing star trek and other fictional characters and don't say a word about boys having role models is stupid. I dont think theyre doing it on purpose to bemoan diversity, I think theyre doing their "I hate hollywood and their marketing tactics" cynicism shtick but ultimately that does appeal to the alt right base who probably dont take it that way and it makes them seem ignorant on a lot of issues.

More importantly Rich says a lot of stupid shit on their streams. I argue about this everytime it comes up in the RLM thread and it pisses me off because they dont need to reach for such low hanging fruit in order to make their points.

Rich is generally the most questionable of the group, which seems to surprise many.
 

subpar spatula

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Oct 26, 2017
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When I saw the purple hair my mind instantly went to anime where characters are different hair colors for actually no reason at all. It stands out to me because not a lot of the characters are colorful like that so it just seems out of place. It would make more sense, to me, if the style of the movie was more bright or variations of other colors besides red, black, white, and brown. It's like you're at a meeting and everyone's in professional attire and then someone is just sitting there with full on purple hair. It's not an issue but when examining the setting and colors of the environment, it doesn't mesh well.
 

Xaszatm

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Oct 25, 2017
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When I saw the purple hair my mind instantly went to anime where characters are different hair colors for actually no reason at all. It stands out to me because not a lot of the characters are colorful like that so it just seems out of place. It would make more sense, to me, if the style of the movie was more bright or variations of other colors besides red, black, white, and brown. It's like you're at a meeting and everyone's in professional attire and then someone is just sitting there with full on purple hair. It's not an issue but when examining the setting and colors of the environment, it doesn't mesh well.

...this is a same movie where the most respected Admiral is a talking fish.

Star Wars sucks and they should stop wasting time on it and make some Matrix reviews instead.

...that doesn't even have a trio of good movies.
 

Emmz

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Oct 28, 2017
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While I agree with Mike's points about the comedy and the script having the structure of a comedy of errors, his plinkett script clearly needed a second draft or he needed to think a bit more about his complaints. As others have mentioned they knew the bases location from TFA, he completely misses the point of Luke's arc on the film, and misrepresents deleted scenes while not showing others that don't help his point.

This and the TFA one have some terrible rambling moments. They get mired down in listing shit off, either that's wrong with the movie or that could have been done differently. One of the best points I've ever heard about video essays was made by Every Frame a Painting. Lists like that are boring because they don't offer any insight and they mess up the pacing of the video. Ironic that a video review complaining about a movie being poorly structured and paced is itself poorly structured and paced.
 

Alice

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Nov 2, 2017
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I usually watch RLM for Jay these days, he seems to be the least eyebrow raising person on the team and like someone I'd genuinely enjoy getting a beer with.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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RLM says highly questionable shit all of the time. If i had to guess a lot of ti comes from their cynicism towards hollywood using diversity as a marketing tool rather than an end in and of itself but my problem with that is, what does it matter? Diversity is a good thing even if its only being done because execs see money signs. I don't understand their trepidation with it. I also think saying something like WW can't or shouldn't be a role model for little girls while they totally grew up idolizing star trek and other fictional characters and don't say a word about boys having role models is stupid. I dont think theyre doing it on purpose to bemoan diversity, I think theyre doing their "I hate hollywood and their marketing tactics" cynicism shtick but ultimately that does appeal to the alt right base who probably dont take it that way and it makes them seem ignorant on a lot of issues.

More importantly Rich says a lot of stupid shit on their streams. I argue about this everytime it comes up in the RLM thread and it pisses me off because they dont need to reach for such low hanging fruit in order to make their points.
They've really been leaning into their cynicism and it's off-putting. Adam of YourMovieSucks has the same problem, where in his The Meg quick review he calls out Disney for being hypocrites because they champion diversity, but won't feature gay characters for fear of being blocked from a Chinese release. Even if guys like RLM and YMS are right, they are completely oblivious to the notion that even cynical, profit-driven diversity efforts still have a net positive effect on the industry.

I usually watch RLM for Jay these days, he seems to be the least eyebrow raising person on the team and like someone I'd genuinely enjoy getting a beer with.

Jay has given great horror recommendations, and Jack seems like a cool guy, too.
 

jviggy43

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Oct 28, 2017
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Rich is generally the most questionable of the group, which seems to surprise many.
I would have guessed mike at the outset tbh because of plinkett but Mike has seemed ot tone it down recently and as I said, I don't think it comes from a place of hatred or discrimination but more so them thinking its sleezy of Hollywood. But they don't realize how it comes off to a lot of us. I doubt theyre also as sensitive about it as many of us are either. Theyve also shown that they do care about this stuff as an end in and of itself such was the case with their annihilation review which they took issue with receiving no credit for having an all female cast of smart and intelligent woman characters.

They've really been leaning into their cynicism and it's off-putting. Adam of YourMovieSucks has the same problem, where in his The Meg quick review he calls out Disney for being hypocrites because they champion diversity, but won't feature gay characters for fear of being blocked from a Chinese release. Even if guys like RLM and YMS are right, they are completely oblivious to the notion that even cynical, profit-driven diversity efforts still have a net positive effect on the industry.
I agree with all of this. Ive never understood why theyve yet to realize why diversity, even if being used for money, is still a net positive. Entirely with you.
 

subpar spatula

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...this is a same movie where the most respected Admiral is a talking fish.
Ackbar also has a very specific set of colors going on that mesh well with the overall movie. He's literally brown wearing a white space suit. It just begs the question: why does she have purple hair when overall everyone else uses the same, like, 5 colors? It's not even an issue, but it's easy to understand why people's eyes would gravitate towards it with their eyeballs.
 

Sanjuro

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When I saw the purple hair my mind instantly went to anime where characters are different hair colors for actually no reason at all. It stands out to me because not a lot of the characters are colorful like that so it just seems out of place. It would make more sense, to me, if the style of the movie was more bright or variations of other colors besides red, black, white, and brown. It's like you're at a meeting and everyone's in professional attire and then someone is just sitting there with full on purple hair. It's not an issue but when examining the setting and colors of the environment, it doesn't mesh well.

People laughed in the theater because of it. It doesn't really matter, but I understand why some people found humor in it.
 

aerie

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Oct 25, 2017
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Alice it is clear that you are not interested in talking about the topic of the video and that's fine. If you want to present your case on RLM dogwhistling to the alt-right, wouldn't it be better to make a new thread focused on that specific topic instead of derailing this one? I feel that "RLM are alt-right" and "Plinkett's review of TLJ" are two different topics of discussion.
The thread has been discussing these subjects for sometime, but let's all try to do so calmly.
 

Shy

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Oct 25, 2017
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Oh, genuinely missed that one. Video certainly wasn't worth my time. It's the same stuff they talked on Half in the Bag with some added "lel SJW" stuff.
I see.
Theyve also shown that they do care about this stuff as an end in and of itself such was the case with their annihilation review which they took issue with receiving no credit for having an all female cast of smart and intelligent woman characters.
Where have they shown that ?
 
Oct 28, 2017
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The review was actually too kind.TLJ is hot garbage floating through space. It's nuke the fridge levels bad. Can't wait for the bottom to fall out on this franchise so Disney can cool it with this crap for about a good decade or so.
 

Xaszatm

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Oct 25, 2017
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Ackbar also has a very specific set of colors going on that mesh well with the overall movie. He's literally brown wearing a white space suit. It just begs the question: why does she have purple hair when overall everyone else uses the same, like, 5 colors? It's not even an issue, but it's easy to understand why people's eyes would gravitate towards it with their eyeballs.

...Because it stands out? Like, that's why they usually have main characters in weird hair colors in anime so they look different from the rest of the cast. It's an unusual trait that makes people go "oh, that person is someone that's probably important to the plot".
 

Jecht

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Oct 25, 2017
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...that doesn't even have a trio of good movies.

Neither did the prequels. RLM is best when they are talking about bad films (first one isn't bad, just saying). Their best content is undeniably Best of the Worst/Wheel of the Worst/Plinketto where they watch bad old VHS films

I generally like RLM, but I very much disagree with their opinions on Rogue One and TLJ. This review is no different and I think there are good points in it but eh, I don't care. That movie rocks.
 

subpar spatula

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...Because it stands out? Like, that's why they usually have main characters in weird hair colors in anime so they look different from the rest of the cast. It's an unusual trait that makes people go "oh, that person is someone that's probably important to the plot".
Then why not do that for other important characters? It's a visually jarring choice.
 

Jeffolation

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Oct 30, 2017
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And yet this thread is 22 pages. RLM has a sizable platform.
I'd agree they have a sizeable platform with this thread obviously illustrating they have a heathly following.

If I want to delve into serious film criticism though these guys and their ilk are the last place I'll look for such content and it's worrisome that it seems this format is supplementing that. Even regarding mainstream pop corn flicks like Star Wars, youtube is eroding the level of discourse possible.
 

Karasseram

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I mean my first reaction to seeing holdo when watching the movie was why is jurassic park lady here with that purple hair it legit took me out of the movie for a second.

Also this "I see some people of group X make comment and a lot of others are too. They must all be alt-right!"

I guess we have many alt-right in Norway or the argument is just idiotic which is more likely.
 

Sanjuro

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I'd agree they have a sizeable platform with this thread obviously illustrating they have a heathly following.

If I want to delve into serious film criticism though these guys and their ilk are the last place I'll look for such content and it's worrisome that it seems this format is supplementing that. Even regarding mainstream pop corn flicks like Star Wars, youtube is eroding the level of discourse possible.

You do understand that you have a very Conservative viewpoint.

I mean, we can go back to newspaper film commentary...
 

Mona

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Oct 30, 2017
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They've really been leaning into their cynicism and it's off-putting. Adam of YourMovieSucks has the same problem, where in his The Meg quick review he calls out Disney for being hypocrites because they champion diversity, but won't feature gay characters for fear of being blocked from a Chinese release. Even if guys like RLM and YMS are right, they are completely oblivious to the notion that even cynical, profit-driven diversity efforts still have a net positive effect on the industry.

Jay has given great horror recommendations, and Jack seems like a cool guy, too.

RLM have a show called best of the worst, the purpose of which is to find the good in some of the worst movies ever made

and on Half in the bag they frequently enjoy they latest releases

they obviously just shit on things in the nerd crew, and frequently plinket, but i dont think them or the site as a whole is as cynical as it seems

plus theres their audio commentaries, which is usually them just saying how great the aspects of the film are
 
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Xaszatm

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Oct 25, 2017
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Then why not do that for other important characters? It's a visually jarring choice.

Because Holdo doesn't get that much screen time. Anime gets different hair colors because a lot of anime characters look alike. Most real people...don't so when we follow them, that's usually all we need to do. Holdo gets not a lot of screentime so we need something that lets her stand out. This actually is what many of the characters do. It's not that obvious, but they're also in the screentime more so they kind of don't need to.
 

Contramann

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Oct 27, 2017
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Nah manyou're still not making any sense.

The main point about what I said about Predator is the costume they first shot failed and we don't judge the movie based on that. Your counterpoint fails to illustrate why and further fails to relate how the first failure relates to the later design when people who were uninvolved with the project made the new one on their own. So your just won't here and I'm fine just leaving this alone, regardless of what further you say.

On the aubject of feeling it's pertinent to useuse dele scenes to critique a movie. All the little caveats and context in the world doesn't change the starting base of the movie never included the scenes so it would not be considered with the body of work that was presented. By doing so you are discussing a movie entirely different than what everyone else is discussing and at that point you may as well outright like about what happened in the movie. Arguing from this perspective is incredibly dishonest.

Further your defnse of Bombastic is attempting to disingenuously pretend there's a context that is different from what I said, yet it's not. Your defense would only have been valid if he had said "Rian Johnson is such an incompetent Director but/yet" which would change the context o presented. However, he followed up that statement by using the argument that because he filmed a scene that was not presented within the film he is incompetent. That is dishonest.

I'm sure you're a great person or whatever man, and maybe you love TLJ. It's not relevant, because what your defending is just bad discussion and trying to flimsily defend it with the RLM idea that it has merit somehow if you twist it. It doesn't. Hell previous RLM work even flies in the face of this. Lots of previous RLM videos Mike or Jay outright say "Don't watch this version because this scene is dumb" or "This movie cut has a scene that tonally doesn't make sense". Most of the Blade Runner Re:View has Jay saying this. So why in this instance is a specific cut scene something to harp on when frequently the RLM crew says "Ignore this scene" (Like Mike saying ignore the extended cut of Abyss)? Probably because RLM while trying to provide some criticism is mostly about schadenfraude and playing clips of hilarious or embarrassing scenes.

Regardless the point is, you're just wrong man. I don't know why you keep trying to defend these hot takes about the deleted scenes but you're wrong man.

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subpar spatula

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Because Holdo doesn't get that much screen time. Anime gets different hair colors because a lot of anime characters look alike. Most real people...don't so when we follow them, that's usually all we need to do. Holdo gets not a lot of screentime so we need something that lets her stand out. This actually is what many of the characters do. It's not that obvious, but they're also in the screentime more so they kind of don't need to.
So they gave her purple hair due to lack of screen time so audiences know her importance?
 

sphagnum

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Oct 25, 2017
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Holdo has purple hair to make her further seem like someone who wouldn't be in a position of command to Poe. She was originally written to be "loopy" and many people characterize her appearance in the books as if she's Luna Lovegood.
 
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