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Louis C.K. re-emerges with surprise performance at the Comedy Cellar
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I just want to be clear how I feel - even if CK did acknowledge the behavior in the set, I am not cool with him re-appearing in a surprise performance. It's simply unfair to everyone. And he has shown no true remorse and has not done anything to go above and beyond as is necessary to redeem himself.
I'm disappointed and bummed that he is this tone deaf. Basically, it as bad as the abuse was, it was possible for him to redeem himself if used his platform properly upon return. But he didn't. Now it's safe to write him off completely.
In a metaphorical sense, he forced that crowd to look at him again the same way he forced his victims to watch him masturbate.
I think now, after people really process this, his career is truly over.
I'm disappointed and bummed that he is this tone deaf. Basically, it as bad as the abuse was, it was possible for him to redeem himself if used his platform properly upon return. But he didn't. Now it's safe to write him off completely.
In a metaphorical sense, he forced that crowd to look at him again the same way he forced his victims to watch him masturbate.
I think now, after people really process this, his career is truly over.
You don't have to do this to yourself, there's so much good in the world...
Physical contact is usually what elevates it from a misdemenor to a felony, yes in most cases. But age of victim and repeated offenses can also do that.
Yes, legally its a misdemeanour as you yourself show in those quotes.
Its not worse to do that to strangers who are below the legal age of consent?
I loved that show growing up.
And you especially probably shouldn't be telling me what to enjoy right now.
My point is that there is only so far public censure, in this case, can go.
He will eventually start doing something. And the easiest way to comeback would be standup.
He did it 3 times in California.
The 2nd and 3rd become felonies plus factor in the others in other states.
You should take time to read up on the basic facts regarding what Louie is accused of before contributing more opinions, then.
Louis CK getting to come back on his own terms after taking a vacation suggests otherwise
Okay, you have to be intentionally antagonizing people at this point.
There are more than 2 options here. What needs to happen is that upper management needs to be cleaned out and replaced. You don't to pretend that your tolerance of status quo racism is motivated by benevolence.
One way or another, ERA is gunna have to address the issue of dismissing sexual abuse. It's out of control. I reported like 8 people and none have been warned or banned. I've gotten zero notifications about the reports. It's frustrating to watch the stuff get glossed over.
Legally he didn't do it at all because no charges were ever made and there was never any judgement. Thats the point.
If any charges had been made, it would still be a first time offender, and the legal punishment would still likely be a slap-on-the-wrist fine.
So what is handling it properly, though?
If your argument is "He wouldn't have a career if he was blacklisted before he had a career" that's pretty circular. But if your notion of "handling properly" is anything other than some deus ex machina black list, I really have a lot of trouble seeing that as a likely consequence.
Again, there is no legal consequence that would have followed from this. He could have been fired from a writing gig or a festival and not invited back, and that's probably what should have happened. But these sorts of things would probably be ultimately less harmful to his career than what actually happened.
Yea. He could have used his platform and the circumstances in a tasteful manner to bring about positive change, even if it wasn't comedy. Louis CK was THAT great of a comic that people would take him seriously if he took a moment to discuss the me too movement at length, including his own misdeeds.
But he didn't.
I don't! You're reading into things. I never said his comeback should be easy. All I'm saying is that will happen and eventually the same questions will pop up again, because there is not agreed upon consensus on how to handle this.
That's the whole crux of this thread. Some want him banned from public performances forever, some don't.
I was referring to your post that suggested that the women who CK wanked in front of had given consent as if that somehow diminished what he did, when that consent was obtained under duress. That doesn't make it okay. The point about kids or adults is not what I was discussing, and is pure fucking whataboutery in any event.
I agree with you. I wanted CK to make a comeback, but I don't think it should be easy.
We are in uncharted territory, I think. But I would have thought Louis CK would have the wherewithal to handle his comeback better.
You'd think this would be almost everyone's common response, or at least don't generally support them by watching their content. Instead dude get's a fucking ovation before he even begins his routine.
This is some pretty twisted logic.
It's a felony to do it multiple times in California... which he admits to doing.
You're argument now is it's not a big deal because he wasn't convicted... but that would be true if the first offense was a life sentence so your argument is meaningless...
I agree here. However, the tenor of discussion here is for or against. That's not my interest and I think Louis is scum.
My interest is in discussing this uncharted terrority since there is no tribunal that really can step and make things right.
Should we draft something? I'm not being cheeky either, but I think that's why this situation is causing a problem. There are no agreed upon expectations. You should know, Petlz, as a lawyer lol.
He exposed himself in private with verbal consent, and jerked off while on the phone with a colleague. This is a case of workplace harassment, not criminal assault. I'm not sure what charge you think he should have faced.
I posted examples in this thread where some of the victims themselves said they did not have consent...
But I thought you'd know that? I mean apparently you talked to four of his victims, personally.
*thinking*
He could have been looking at a felony conviction and sex offender registry
I don't think that a repeat sex offender is going to have a good sense of self awareness.
What does what I'm saying have to do with racism? I don't like Papa John's and especially now don't see a reason to get Pizza from there. Racism sucks and it's everywhere. All I'm saying that you shouldn't judge people simply because they choose to eat Papa John's. It's their choice. And you might be supporting way worse people than them because of where you shop. You just don't know about it (yet).
Crazy to me that he got an ovation before he even started his routine
That's now (at least) three people, including myself, who have reported with no notifications whatsoever.
User Banned (2 Weeks): Downplaying sexual harassment and assault.
So two of them said that they believed he was joking, and I don't think their consent was really consent. But not a single one said that he continued after saying "no," and several did say no.
I said I talked to four victims of sexual assault, not HIS victims. Come on, now. If you don't know four sexual assault victims, you don't have close female friends.
But I'm really glad we're at the not only is it not too soon but what he did wasn't that big of a deal anyway stage
I PMed a mod last night to ask if I was on some sort of list since my reports were not being responded to in any way. It's frustrating, because I don't know if I'm being ignored or if the stuff I think is bad is totally cool. I even wrote one report in verse to a Britney Spears song to see if even that would get a response. It didn't.
You're inferring things I never said.
I never said it wasn't 'a big deal' or made any excuses for what he did.
I'm saying that if it had gone to court, it would have been treated - at worst - as though he was some trenchcoat wearing creep jacking off on schoolgirls. Which is a misdemeanor.
The way the law works is that repeat offenders get more sever punishments for repeatedly breaking the law.
Being charged with multiple counts of something for the first time ever is not the same as being convicted multiple times of the same crime and continuing to do it.
A jury is not going to send someone away for life for asking someone if they can jack off on them then doing it. Sorry, they just wouldn't. even if it was some no name loser with a shit lawyer.
When I saw how long this thread had gotten since last night I figured it would be a graveyard.
First of all I am very sorry this happened to you, and I admire your capacity to forgive, even if I don't think I could ever do the same.
But in this case, can you expect the victims or public to forgive him? Has he been served justice? Has he even done "time"?.
This man is set for life. He can retire and not be in the public eye in view of victims everywherw
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I'm speaking of what should have happened then... when they first happened unless you think the slap on the wrist would have stopped him from re-offending.
It's not uncharted AT ALL. People get bad reputations and become unhireable in industries for unprofessional conduct ALL THE TIME.
Ok, now you're just fucking trolling, and it's clear you haven't read any of my posts in this fucking thread. I AM a fucking female who's a sex assault and rape victim you dumb fuck