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Spehornoob

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I love TLJ and I love RLM. I look forward to hearing Plinkett's caustic take on the movie, even though I still really like it overall.

What do I win?
 

gutter_trash

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Is era still in the "lets accuse everyone who didn't like the film of being toxic without a shred of self awareness as we accuse everyone who didn't like it of just being upset that it didn't match some non-existant fanfic" phase of TLJ discussion? That's what most of these threads descend into - page after page of people shouting down anyone who didn't like it and pretending that it was only divisive on the internet and that everyone else loved it to a fault and deliberately attempting to kill any and all discussion of the film.
yup, we are all racists and sexists when it comes to TLJ while we loved Finn + Rey in the TFA.

logic lol
 

Lothars

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Is era still in the "lets accuse everyone who didn't like the film of being toxic without a shred of self awareness as we accuse everyone who didn't like it of just being upset that it didn't match some non-existant fanfic" phase of TLJ discussion? That's what most of these threads descend into - page after page of people shouting down anyone who didn't like it and pretending that it was only divisive on the internet and that everyone else loved it to a fault and deliberately attempting to kill any and all discussion of the film.
I think you have that wrong because what I see in most TLJ threads is the haters shitting on every party of the movie and hurting any discussion on it.
 

Cross-Section

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Yeah I watched about 20 minutes of this and it feels like Plinkett is unironically embodying the type of criticism that he himself used to parody (like as recently as the TFA review)

Feel free to debate whether he's actually regressive or not, but he's totally pandering to a certain audience in this one
 

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yup, we are all racists and sexists when it comes to TLJ while we loved Finn + Rey in the TFA.

logic lol
There is plenty to dislike about TLJ without being sexist/racist. No one is saying all criticism of the film is sexist/racist. It is just RLM has a history of pandering to the racist/sexist viewpoints.

Saying RLM has a history of pandering to racists/sexists isn't saying "All who dont like TLJ are racist/sexists!".
 

PanzerKraken

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Nah, not liking TLJ is fine. RLM panders to the alt-right and complains about diversity in movies. That should be something any reasonable person no matter what they think of TLJ should be against.

That's some bold claims from someone who wont watch the review. So you are here just to shit up the thread? Funny you complain about that in other threads
 

True Prophecy

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I love TLJ and I love RLM. I look forward to hearing Plinkett's caustic take on the movie, even though I still really like it overall.

What do I win?

You win being able to be level headed and to form your own opinions regardless of others. It's a good thing to have.


I recall Mike liked TFA but it really does fall into all the things he also complains about and still complains about lol.
 

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I like RLM but didn't enjoy the TFA review too much, I'll check this out later though, even if I did love TLJ.
 

Poutine

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Hated TLJ and loves RLM, can't wait to see this one tonight, that movie deserves to be laughed at.
 

Duffking

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I think you have that wrong because what I see in most TLJ threads is the haters shitting on every party of the movie and hurting any discussion on it.
I guess it varies from thread to thread and which side sees it first. I feel like I see more of the "shouting at people who didn't like the film" than "shouting at people who did like the film" around these parts though.

I'll be over here happily sitting on the fance. It was ok.
 

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That's some bold claims from someone who wont watch the review. So you are here just to shit up the thread? Funny you complain about that in other threads
I have seen plenty of their reviews where they pander to sexist/racist idelogy. If it doesnt come up in this one how does that erase their history of alt-right pandering?
 

aerie

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Yeah I watched about 20 minutes of this and it feels like Plinkett is unironically embodying the type of criticism that he himself used to parody (like as recently as the TFA review)

Feel free to debate whether he's actually regressive or not, but he's totally pandering to a certain audience in this one
I started to feel this with a lot of RLM, i'm going to give this a proper watch later on tonight.
This is where I'm at

I miss DoubleToasted
I like Korey and Martin a lot, but man, it's just not the same lately.
 
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I'm starting to believe that Star Wars should have ended with Return of the Jedi, because it was the perfect ending.
Even though I really like the new movies (minus Solo which was "fine" I guess) I feel like SW kinda should've stayed comatose. There was never a way to continue the franchise that wouldn't eventually lead to where we are now with the toxicity.
 

gutter_trash

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".... you might have noticed something was off with the writing, you might not have noticed but your brain did"

I felt the exact same way at the start of Phantom Menace and the feeling happened at the start of The Last Jedi.

it started off "off" and it was glaring
 
Oct 27, 2017
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Is era still in the "lets accuse everyone who didn't like the film of being toxic without a shred of self awareness as we accuse everyone who didn't like it of just being upset that it didn't match some non-existant fanfic" phase of TLJ discussion? That's what most of these threads descend into - page after page of people shouting down anyone who didn't like it and pretending that it was only divisive on the internet and that everyone else loved it to a fault and deliberately attempting to kill any and all discussion of the film.
Judging by the hostility in the first few pages yes.

Apparently RLM is alt-right or something?

RLM has leaned way too hard into their "Movies suck now" audience recently for me to think this will be enjoyable.
Instead of the FUD that RLM detractors are trying to peddle in this thread, I do agree with the above.

I think they know their audience is one primarily of cynics. Even for movies they love, their voices stay at a constant monotone drone.
 

aerie

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collige

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The 1880's really did have some fantastic coke. Can you imagine if they sold cocaine wine today?
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OT, I'm about halfway through. It's way better than the terrible TFA review so far and the "domino effect of bad decisions"/comedy point perfectly mirrors my main problem with the script. It's definitely not as funny as the prequel reviews though and that overall comes down to the fact that it's way easier to make jokes about a terrible movie than about a decent blockbuster. I wish they did more Plinkett stuff like Cop Dog and Baby's Day Out, but I guess they got bills to pay.
 

Frozenprince

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Like yes the current culture of wanton excessive consumerism gets gross sometimes and there's a space to call that out, but you watch their recent stuff and it's all "Well we didn't watch a bunch of stuff because movies are terrible now, remember Robocop?" and that just drones on and on and on. It's not fun to watch just how overwhelmingly cynical and dismissive they are anymore.
 

Seesaw15

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It's been awhile since I've seen that but: They weren't really complaining about inclusion, they were complaining about corporate monoliths like Disney touting inclusions but relegating all of the diversity to secondary and minor roles while also forming the narrative to show how great and progressive they are as a studio, but still giving all of the important jobs to white leads and directors. They bring that point up several times in other Star Wars videos as well.

That said I didn't think that the TFA video was all that great comapred to past works for bunch of reasons.

If TFA critique on inclusion was just an isolated incident I would agree but they bring it up to be dismissive every time. They scolded little girls who looked up to Wonder Woman and said they should instead look up to real life historical figures. During the Black Panther review they said Disney should have donated to the black community if they were serious. They even went out of their way to make a diverse college brochure joke during the Homecoming review.

If you hang out in any online spaces where people complain about diversity its very rare that the only talking point is " WOMEN AND MINORITIES ARE BAD." They typically couch their complaints with dog whistles about "virtue signaling" and corporations only doing it for the "money". Its a tired and not that nuanced of a critique.
 

PanzerKraken

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Instead of the FUD that RLM detractors are trying to peddle in this thread, I do agree with the above.

I think they know their audience is one primarily of cynics. Even for movies they love, their voices stay at a constant monotone drone.

Eh, that's what they always were though.

The problem really with RLM is that so many other critics came out and copied their shtick and now it's kinda annoying.
 

robotzombie

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I have seen plenty of their reviews where they pander to sexist/racist idelogy. If it doesnt come up in this one how does that erase their history of alt-right pandering?

You keep saying this but haven't come up with a single example except for their TFA review which multiple people in this thread have explained what they were actually discussing which naturally you've completely ignored because it would invalidate your crusade in this topic
 

Lothars

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I guess it varies from thread to thread and which side sees it first. I feel like I see more of the "shouting at people who didn't like the film" than "shouting at people who did like the film" around these parts though.

I'll be over here happily sitting on the fance. It was ok.
That's probably the case
 

stump sock

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I have seen plenty of their reviews where they pander to sexist/racist idelogy. If it doesnt come up in this one how does that erase their history of alt-right pandering?
hi I'm Cheebo and I don't like Thing so I will accuse Thing and Fans of Thing of being bad people

but I won't watch Thing
 

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You keep saying this but haven't come up with a single example except for their TFA review which multiple people in this thread have explained what they were actually discussing which naturally you've completely ignored because it would invalidate your crusade in this topic
There was that video where they claimed that Sony manufactured the outrage around Ghostbusters to sell the movie.
 

Odesu

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Oct 26, 2017
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I have seen plenty of their reviews where they pander to sexist/racist idelogy. If it doesnt come up in this one how does that erase their history of alt-right pandering?

They have various videos in their history where they openly make fun of/are shocked by/call out racism and sexism, especially in their Best of the Worst series. They may not always have the same opinion we do, but saying that they are "Pandering" to the alt-right at all is either incredibly dishonest or plain ignorant.
 
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I think Luke having an epilogue really worked in this run. I know some found it questionable in execution, but I was very fond of it.
I can see using Luke as a bridge between the two trilogies, and I do think of the three actors Hamill is best at slipping back into character, but I will argue to my last breath that focusing so much on Han in the first movie was a terrible idea.
 

dragonchild

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Is Resetera trying to go for some sort of Internet record for lowest discourse-to-text ratio outside of FB and Twitter? There are more strawmen here than harvest season on Summersisle.
 
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