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Louis C.K. re-emerges with surprise performance at the Comedy Cellar
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That's the interesting thing about him. In most cases the industry would just choose not to work with him anymore, so he's free to do what he will but he's still out of a career.
But he has his own distribution method established that circumvents the industry, so he actually has a shot at a second act that most of these accused won't get because they need their industry to exist.
Doors weren't blocked, anyone in that crowd could have left. Those that did made their stance, those that didn't, same.
Nah, I'm good. He can stay gone.
Besides, why would anyone be excited for his standup after finding out that his sets aren't exercises in creatively constructing a collection of horrible thoughts and acts but are instead straight up confessions? That's not exactly funny.
Besides, why would anyone be excited for his standup after finding out that his sets aren't exercises in creatively constructing a collection of horrible thoughts and acts but are instead straight up confessions? That's not exactly funny.
Confused by the comments to vote with your wallet or not show support. He made a surprise appearance. Nobody in the audience had any say in his coming onstage. Though I guess they could've booed him off. I'm not entirely sure how to interpret the audience reaction.
I've read every one of his victims accounts (who went public that is) none of them expressed that he should be in jail or suggested holding him criminally accountable.
Many famous/rich sexual harrassers are taken to court. So you can't say agregious actions can't be held to criminal standards.
I don't think any of the victims wanted any retribution against Louis C.K. except to shine a light on what he did and to hopefully publicly shame him.
Correct me if I'm wrong. The women were pretty vocal and honest and strong. They would have said so if they felt that way.
There is no "proper" sentence for public shaming. You can be disgusted and protest, but he should be allowed to do his job. Much of the thread sounds like he shouldn't.
Honestly not sure how to feel about this. Not watching his stuff and def judging people who do but frankly that's only my half of the problem. The other half is that permanent disengagement from the social membrane through unemployment and social shunning doesn't seem like it will help keep offenders from repeating their offenses. But at the same time i find it real hard to care for whatever kind of penniless, under the bridge life they ought to have.
Anyway fuck CK dude's gone through so comparatively little it's not even a question of whether he's "good" for it again, or ever will be.
Anyway fuck CK dude's gone through so comparatively little it's not even a question of whether he's "good" for it again, or ever will be.
I'm addressing your entire point. Your standard is not illegal no consequences... which would apply to most sexual harassment cases.
Should Casey Anthony run a daycare? Should Chris Brown work at a women's shelter? You don't let people back into an environment where they have access to do more damage. Louie CK did his damage in the world of comedy with his connections and influence, if he's allowed to build that all back up again it puts people in a position where they aren't safe. He's proven himself to be incapable of being in that position without abusing people.
I don't think economic anxiety or social shaming is a common excuse for sexual assault.
True. He he doesn't work for a company with a PR image.
All the more reason to let the guy work and not shame him out of existence forever. He works for himself and will live or die on how people perceive him. He's accountable one way or another.
Hopefully he's fully dealt with his issues in the intervening decade and has become a better person.
Pretty much. He is his own brand. The public will decide if his career can continue
Precisely. If I found out that an employee of McDonald's had been spitting in the food, I wouldn't want them to work in food services. Similarly, Louis C.K. exploited women using his celebrity.
We are a male-dominated society that will take any road that excuses men for their actions. "The public" is just a collection of people with a skewed perspective from living in a broken system and can't be trusted to make the right choice. You can see the mentality that puts women at risk in this very thread.
I am not going to see him but sure let the market decide. I won't see Chris brown or NFL games either but other people will.
Unfortunately people won't accept this if it were the case. People are out for blood and it matters not that what he did was nothing compared to what Weinstein is being accused of or if he truly is remorseful and turns his personal life around.
So people not wanting him to have a position where he can abuse women means being "out for blood"? Come on.
I'm glad to see him back out there doing something. The fact the crowd didn't leave or demand refunds tells me that his fan base is there and even if they don't approve of what he did he is still worth seeing. Hope he works out a new special. He's still one of the greats up there with Pryor, hedburg, Burr, and Carlin. Also wondering what the set was like.
"I've missed him over the past year!"
"You've missed him despite the fact that he admitted to sexual assault?"
"No, he admitted to sexual misconduct, not sexual assault."
Listen to yourself. He forced himself on women and used his position of power to do it. And you specifically decided to come into this thread, knowing that, to let everyone know that you don't care.
I think Jerry Seinfeld nailed the situation.
Basically he said this shouldn't kill his career forever but nobody will be able to watch him without thinking of all the weird stuff he did.
Basically he said this shouldn't kill his career forever but nobody will be able to watch him without thinking of all the weird stuff he did.
People are willfully blind, it's crazy. Don't any of you have mothers, sisters, daughters, women in your life you care about the well-being of? People coming in like "glad he's back" is a slap in the face to all of them, that people would be ready to embrace the guy getting back into a position whee women are being put at risk of horrible stuff happening to them is shameful. None of you know what the guy has done to change or if he's changed, all we have are the facts of what he did and how long he did it to multiple women but some of you are just willing to hope for the best that he's changed? And then where are you going to be if he does it again, what are you going to do to help any victims? Jack shit, you'll be waiting for the next opportunity to check out his special because gosh, I mean he is such a funny guy and we all need a little humor in our lives right?
Well there is a big difference between misconduct and assault. Pretty dishonest to equate the two.
What's he actually done.
He hasn't even say donated money to women's issues. He just took a vacation
It feels way too soon.
Far too many people still vividly remember the shit he did.
That said, I don't know what the proper amount of time is. Maybe his PR peeps were running numbers and said, "Yep no one cares anymore. Start writing and doing small shows again".
Far too many people still vividly remember the shit he did.
That said, I don't know what the proper amount of time is. Maybe his PR peeps were running numbers and said, "Yep no one cares anymore. Start writing and doing small shows again".
As pointed out earlier in the thread, the definition can change by state. Masturbating in front of someone is sexual assault in some states.
But the fact that we're even arguing the semantics of what term to use is completely missing the point of my response to that poster.
Truthfully I think it's heartwarming to see his fans standing by him in this trying time as he bravely overcomes admitting to having sexually harassed/assaulted multiple women and suffered a horrificaly grueling 8 month vacay.
Really inspiring story of male perseverance
Really inspiring story of male perseverance
People in the thread have the right idea
Dont give him your time, attention and money. Otherwise its ridiculous to expect people to essentially stop living their lives after making life altering mistakes
Is this really our stance. That these people lock themselves away from the world forever? Maybe getting back to work is exactly what he needs especially since many of you think he "got off easy"
Welp I expect him coming back out into public to serve him some more consequences as a result quite honestly.
Louis C.K. literally confirmed these things to have happened. There is no 'alleged' whatsoever, he accepted blame.
He did get off easy, what did he lose? 9 months out of the spotlight while collecting residual checks? He certainly didn't lose any fame judging by the response in here with people eagerly waiting for an abuser to get back to it.
Of course he isn't going to be locked away from the world forever when men by and large are so fucking toxic and dismissive and downright hateful towards women that they would want this guy back in the same position he used to abuse people, but he doesn't have to get put back into the same damn spot. Would you let Casey Anthony run a daycare? Would you let an alcoholic run a bar? Then why does it make sense to let Louie CK do what he did?
This is disgusting. Reported.
User Banned (2 Weeks): Downplaying sexual harassment.
Good on him for being honest. Hopefully he can move forward from this
But, he added, "there can't be a permanent life sentence on someone who does something wrong." The social standards about how to respond to errant behavior are inconsistent, he said, and now shifting ever faster, and audiences should have the leeway to decide what to watch themselves. "I think we'll be better off as a society if we stop looking to the bottlenecks of distribution — Twitter, Netflix, Facebook or comedy clubs — to filter the world for us.""
Amen to this entire statement. Not condoning what Louis did, but this is so true.
The guy that emailed the owner and was mad that he didn't know in advance so he could decide wether to go or not...he could have gotten up and left. That would speak volumes, not an email to the owner after he sat through the set (and probably laughed).
Amen to this entire statement. Not condoning what Louis did, but this is so true.
The guy that emailed the owner and was mad that he didn't know in advance so he could decide wether to go or not...he could have gotten up and left. That would speak volumes, not an email to the owner after he sat through the set (and probably laughed).
It honestly doesn't matter when he came back, it would always be "too soon" for many people. So he might as well come back now.
Didn't expect that part
Was honestly thinking he would face more backlash in the public eye and maybe he still will
Just not from the Comedy Cellar apparently
It is inconsistent for sure.... what is the appropriate social response and punishment. What actions have room for forgiveness, self improvement, and moving on?
I would say the majority of posters were pretty clear in here though. Too soon, basically a vacation, really didn't lose much
Though we should look at the consequences that were levied. He basically lost the abitlity to work for any big network as a writer, producer and showrunner for the the forseeable future
As for working for himself? It's up to comedy club owners and consumers to decide themselves whether to boycott his future works right?
Yes there can.
He was one of my favorite comedians of all time. I dropped him like I do most bad habits. Until we live in a just world where people get whats coming to them I'm going to take it upon myself to write people who take advantage of others like that out of my life. He will not get a single ounce of support from me. Fuck him well and truly.
It's always hard to find many examples there that's the case given that in the circumstances where it does happen in just about every account I've seen it's due to a huge judicial fuck up. On the other hand there's a huge amount of evidence that people who are accused are generally given the benefit of the doubt, especially when it comes to public figures.
jfc it's gonna be rough seeing the #UsualSuspects here pull out this particular quote when Cosby dies about how we need to forgive him and put the past away
This is what kills me about this, compared to other similar cases. Honestly, it makes me reconsider my ability to judge when someone is joking and when they're being serious. It makes me think that you can never be sure someone lives by their own words, no matter how smart and sincere they sound. To people who got CK's humor and watched him over the years, he always framed the creepiest and grossest jokes in a way that made you understand "okay, he's actually making fun of creepy people and assholes". Like, nobody was shocked to hear that Weinstein is a PoS. People were shocked that Cosby was a PoS, but, AFAIK, his comedy didn't revolve around making fun of disgusting, perverted people (I'll admit I don't know much about him though, I could be wrong). CK, on the other hand, did. His comedy made you think "if there's one thing that guy can't be in real life, it's a pervert; he's too self-aware for that". He just seemed like a decent guy, if stereotypical of the observational middle-aged comedian. Some episodes of his Louie show even made you think he thought about relationships between men and women, and questioned men's expectations towards women.
But it turns out that yes, he was literally attacking himself with all these jokes. He was the perv all along. If you're a fan of him, you've got to feel utterly betrayed. I know I do. He wasn't what I'd call an idol to me (in fact, I didn't like his newer stuff nearly as much, I feel he was on the decline), but I couldn't help but like him and listen to him. I loved his newsletter, it felt really personal, and you knew he actually wrote it himself. Now, I feel guilty just having his specials I bought a long time hidden somewhere on my hard drive. I don't want to delete them, because I bought them and I'm clinging to the hope that he can become a better person. But at the same time, I'm never rewatching them. I hope that the women he assaulted are able to overcome this and heal their emotional wounds.
I'm ready to forgive Louie. But I want him to come back with lessons learned. If he can genuinely do that, then I think he can start to heal the pain he has caused people.
Sorry, I wasn't really seeing a point other than judging the poster because he is a fan of C.K's work and is happy to see him working again.They never said his behavior was acceptable.
It's not semantics, there are varying degrees to offenses and crimes. There is a big difference big difference between flashing your genitals to another adult and physically forcing yourself on to them. To equate the two is dishonest to victims that have actually been physically sexually assaulted.
I assumed he would start performing again at some point in the back half of this year. I am curious about how he'll address his behavior as part of the routine. Doesn't sound like he did here but I can't imagine, if he's going to start performing on a wider scale again, that he'll just continue to ignore it. But who knows.
tbh I would much be way more uncomfortable with a man who admitted to exposing himself to, and masturbating in front of, multiple women handling my food or mail than doing isolated stand-up shows here and there. :lol